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Theories Discussion => General Discussion => Topic started by: amashilu on May 06, 2026, 07:27:10 AM
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I am sure someone on some forum (maybe even this one) has brought this up, but I don't recall reading anything about it.
High pressure blast waves can blow out the eyes, as well as break the ribs. If, for example, there was a high pressure blast wave and Lyuda and Zolo were positioned right in front of the blast and thus were hardest hit of the group members, this could explain both their rib injuries and their missing eyes.
AI notes damage to eyes: "Globe Trauma (Eye Damage): Rupture of the eyeball or severe damage due to sudden compression."
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Looking at the traumas of the Ravine-4 hikers, we cannot avoid concept of high-pressure blast wave, brought to the spotlight by Boris Vozrozhdenniy. What is important, regarding fractures of the ribs observed for Luda and Semeyon, as well as skull crack observed for Thibo, Vozrozhdenniy offers mechanism of indirect impact from the blast. It was not the wave itself that crushed the bones. The wave threw the hikers on the stones in the creek, and the bones were crushed by the stones. The wave acted as a moving door of a giant press, while the stones acted as another, immobile door.
It's also important that the blast was not of a classic type, which is explosion of a bomb or a shell. For the classic blast we have abrupt and strong airfront, which can tear arms and legs, eardrums, etc. Russians offer the following illustration of a classic blast:
(https://i.ibb.co/MDfcJ9hw/P1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1fMr4bny)
The blast, we can imagine for DPI, was of another type - volumetric explosion. A huge volume of gas burnt high in the air. This type of blast is illustrated by different picture:
(https://i.ibb.co/20hj4PpF/P2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mrTHWtPR)
Wave's strike from that 2nd type of a blast is not that strong, but I believe it's strong enough to damage eyes, so they do not keep long in place.
Additionally, I want to point that all speculations that when the hikers approached the ravine after leaving the tent, the ravine was full of snow, and they started to dig a cave, are groundless. The position of the flooring they made in the ravine indicates that there was little snow there, which allowed them to use the ravine as a natural shelter -- a trench, like many others where Semeyon used to hide himself during the War.
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Additionally, I want to point that all speculations that when the hikers approached the ravine after leaving the tent, the ravine was full of snow, and they started to dig a cave, are groundless. The position of the flooring they made in the ravine indicates that there was little snow there, which allowed them to use the ravine as a natural shelter -- a trench, like many others where Semeyon used to hide himself during the War.
Yes, it has long been a point of confusion how they managed to "dig" the den without tools, so this makes sense.
Also, I appreciate your looking to Semyon's war experience to explain some of the evidence; I have wondered many times why this is so ignored.
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I am sure someone on some forum (maybe even this one) has brought this up, but I don't recall reading anything about it.
High pressure blast waves can blow out the eyes, as well as break the ribs. If, for example, there was a high pressure blast wave and Lyuda and Zolo were positioned right in front of the blast and thus were hardest hit of the group members, this could explain both their rib injuries and their missing eyes.
AI notes damage to eyes: "Globe Trauma (Eye Damage): Rupture of the eyeball or severe damage due to sudden compression."
Are you familiar with what happens to people caught in a severe blast, as the sort you are suggesting? They lose their head and sometimes their arms and legs. The injuries are not conducive to such a blast.
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Kolevatov, Zolotov and Dubinina had blunt force trauma type injuries. There was nothing in the area that pointed to a proximity blast. There were no boulders or cobbles mentioned. No blasted branches, no metal schrapnel. Nothing to suggest a proximity detonation. The remark about the eyes being sucked out of the head or popped within the head should occur in all R4 victims. A blast of that magnitude would flatten and denude trees. That didn't get reported. Being in a depression in the ground affords some protection. Nothing reported says the R4 nor IRZ were thrown.
The streambed was relarively shallow. The snow crust covering the R4 was thin. The snow cover at the mat much thicker. Nobody reported the snow above the mat appeared to be dug into. Ski pants and a sweater were laying about.but not used.
The R4 group may well have found or made a branch mat, but they were surely elsewhere when trouble happened. From,what we know, the cedar had fallen branches capable of making skull injuries. If Zolo and Lyuda were under the Yuris, or vice versa, chest injuries might happen from a fall from height. They might have crawled back to the mat but neve got to itr . Lyuda seems headed that way, the others just stretched out. Perhaps they could not get to the mat owing to a snow pile.
Seems odd to me that they move from a fire to a streambed. Sheltering from,wind or having,something to lean on seems reasonable, just not THAT reasonable. Another whole line of speculation would be threm getting hurt on the way from tent to cedar, but didnt get farther than the ravine two falling,forward, one backward, one not affected.
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Kolevatov, Zolotov and Dubinina had blunt force trauma type injuries.
Probably, Thibo, Zolotarev, and Dubinina are meant here, as those three had their bones crushed.
There was nothing in the area that pointed to a proximity blast.
Probabaly, Lev Ivanov would not have agreed. On seeing young trees touched by fire at the edge of the forest, he started looking for an epicenter of explosion. He failed to find one, which allowed his later fantasy of a targeted radioactive ray.
no metal schrapnel
It is hard to expect metal schrapnel, when a cloud of gas detonates, isn't it?
A blast of that magnitude would flatten and denude trees.
If I remember correctly, the Cedar tree was denuded a little bit. Some branches were broken at considerable height, where the hikers had no need to climb. Also, Teddy found a fallen tree and proved that it fell in 1959. And I have gut feeling that was not the only fallen tree in the area.
Nothing reported says the R4 nor IRZ were thrown.
Except Boris Vozrozhdenniy statement during his interrogation:
"Such an injury could have occurred if Thibo was thrown by a strong gust of wind, causing him to fall and hit his head on rocks, ice, etc. ... the nature of the injuries in Dubinina and Zolotarev is multiple rib fractures ... were caused by a significant force, similar to the force used on Thibo."
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Ivanov would probably disagree with your conclusion.
Ivanov
„However, there were no traces of the explosion wave, Maslennikov and I carefully examined this.“
He followed different lead.
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SM This could be a case of smoke and mirrors. I notice that the response to my post was selective. The reply was based on second hand and heresay speculation. I find that what couldn't be explained were ignored.
SU makes a valid point
Too it is curious that teams of locals, military and university students comb an area repeatedly and nobody says, a blast happened here. Nobody says a blast caused an avalanche, a tree fall, a cave in. No blast related mass disturbances.
The R4 group looked like they were napping, not ragdolls.
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Rockets and explosions are a dead end and a waste of time. Ivanov took a different path, for which he had one piece of evidence after another.
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Strikes me as odd that that the bad guys are going to let the good guys autopsy the victims in order to raise suspicions that the bad guys did their dirty deeds. Then again, nobody expects the bad guys to be bright bulbs. The victims were, though. Accident, yes. Incident, not so much.
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Ivanov would probably disagree with your conclusion.
Exactly. The problem of Ivanov was that he had not come to a solid conclusion on what had happened. He was informed by Urakov that the cause of DPI was an accident during some hi-tech test sponsored by the goverment. But Urakov did not share any details. Thus Ivanov was dangling between plasmoids and blasters with no clear preference.
SM This could be a case of smoke and mirrors. I notice that the response to my post was selective. The reply was based on second hand and heresay speculation. I find that what couldn't be explained were ignored.
It's a pity I have missed your main point... Could you please advise what is you prime statement (conclusion, observation) on the topic, and I will comment on that (if you allow me to do that, of course).
Rockets and explosions are a dead end and a waste of time. Ivanov took a different path, for which he had one piece of evidence after another.
As Vozrozhdenniy talked about shock wave, and Ivanov found traces of a beta emitter on hikers' clothes, I am ready to 'waste' a little of my time investigating these options. However, if you have another, convincing explanation of DPI, I will be more than happy to listen.
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Do you think Ivanov didn't come to a solid conclusion? But he knew everything, he knew all the circumstances. The only problem was that he couldn't publish it.
„I am the only one left who knows the true circumstances of this tragedy. The circumstances are in my notes.“
In short
8 pairs of footprints – 3 didn’t make it into the forest – 2 on a tree – 4 in a ravine
From this and many other pieces of evidence, Ivanov concluded murder and accident.
For him and Vozrozhdenniy, the case was routine, nothing extraordinary.
„For him, this is an ordinary matter, as it was for me.“
The „radiation“ was targeted, like everything else in DPI. But there was no explosion.
I think Askinadzi would also confirm this to you. He was there as a searcher.
I recommend watching this video and this thread. Maybe you will find the answers there.
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=2032.msg29646#msg29646
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I recommend watching this video and this thread. Maybe you will find the answers there.
This is Borisov's show on the 1st channel, I have seen it. Sad performance... One will not find required answers there. They invited Sogrin, Brusnitsin, Askinadzi, Karelin was online remotely. But instead of letting these witnesses to speak and listen to them, the showman pushed forward the only idea -- Zolotarev was a stranger in the group, he killed everybody and disappeared. And there was not even a hint why Zolotarev had decided to kill 8 young boys and girls.
I tend to believe to Ivanov, who wrote in 1990s:
"It was a routine case. It wasn't even about a murder, but an accident."
"I don't understand your version of a murder by some soldiers. I don't get it. What soldiers, who killed whom? First of all, there were no soldiers at that time, and secondly, they don't have any external injuries indicating an attack or anything like that. What kind of murder by soldiers are you talking about?"
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Yes, the soldiers didn't kill anyone, nor were they there at the time. Nevertheless, a motivated killing took place there.
Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people. I know all the details of this incident“
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Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people. I know all the details of this incident“
This Ivanov's statement is self-contradictory. 'Someone' always has a name, a surname, a rank, a motive, etc. If Ivanov could not point to the particular 'someone', it means he did not know the details. Or maybe, by 'details' he means high-level understanding of the cause.
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Yes, it is the problem with a third hand understanding of a second hand interpretation of an event for which there were no first person witnesses. We dance, he danced, curiosity calls the tune.
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I don't have a problem with names. I can read.
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In the May thaw layer where the trousers, fir tips, pine needles and den flooring were found, there were no other debris at all — no broken branches, no twigs, no bark, no clothing scraps, no signs of outsiders, and nothing consistent with a blast or struggle. If any violent event had happened in that area, the same snow horizon would contain additional disturbance, but it doesn’t. The only material in that layer belongs to the hikers themselves.
On Ivanov — a lot of what gets quoted today isn’t from 1959. His official statements at the time were clear: no crime, no external injuries, environmental cause. The later dramatic lines come from 1989–1993 media interviews, and those were heavily shaped by glasnost‑era journalism, selective quoting, and in some cases outright artistic licence. Even the famous ‘I know all the details’ line is inconsistent with his other statements from the same period.
And there’s a logical problem: if he truly ‘knew everything’ and believed there was a cover‑up, then he had already crossed the line by implying it publicly — so why not just say what it was? He never did. And no one else ever came forward either: not soldiers, not rocket personnel, not investigators, not Mansi, not anyone who would have been involved in a clean‑up or a weapons test. There’s simply nothing there.
On the eye injuries — the other two in the ravine also had shrunken or missing eyes, and all four showed clear signs of decomposition around the eye sockets and scalp. These are normal post‑mortem changes in bodies exposed to water, thawing, insects and scavengers. There’s nothing selective or surgical about it; it’s the same process affecting all of them to different degrees.
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DPI is about understanding. If you don't understand DPI, you can't see behind the curtain and understand Ivanov.
Let's start with the fact that 8 sets of footprints were found.
Tempalov's statement – sheet 312
„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations. I did not find a ninth track, it was simply not there. I photographed the tracks.“
The ninth one who left no footprints was the one you wouldn't think of because he had no injuries. So why were his footprints missing? This is the key point from which everything else depends.
Above all, don't say that Tempalov was wrong. He wasn't wrong. The position and location of the ninth man's body clearly confirm his words.
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If you don't understand DPI, you can't see behind the curtain and understand Ivanov.
It is very hard to understand Ivanov, when he announces one thing, but in a few moments says just the opposite. When he talks about punishing the hikers and shooting at them from a ray gun, it means murder. But right after that he says that DPI was an ordinary case and not about murder, but about an accident. The same is with fireballs. From Ivanov's article we can see that he can accept that the fireballs were plasmoids, while a few paragraphs later he speculates that the fireballs could have been piloted, and people or aliens could have been inside.
Anyway, I am keen to know your theory. My understanding is that you have identified an infiltrator within the group, who murdered all the others. This means 1 against 8, and Zolotarev is the only candidate for the murderer's role. All others were friends and had known each other for a long time. Do you accuse Zolotarev or is there another suspect?
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You don't understand Ivanov because he doesn't speak in direct language. This is understandable from his position. Once you understand his style of speech, only then can you perceive him correctly.
It's best if everyone understands it for themselves. Because if you start explaining it to someone and they don't see it, they'll immediately deny Ivanov's words.
He revealed more suspects. You have to read between the lines, he doesn't say it directly. If you have a keen eye, you'll figure it out. But it's hard.
https://dyatlovpass.com/ivanov-2?rbid=18461
and
https://dyatlovpass.com/lev-ivanov
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@SURI
It's pretty useless to read Ivanov's revelations again and again. What I can see from his article " Mystery of the Fireballs", Ivanov gives his apologies to the relatives of Dubinina, Thibo, and Zolotarev. That removes these three from the list of suspects. Then Ivanov says that men at the Cedar tree took care about their dead friends and moved their bodies to the ravine. That removes two Yuris from the list too. Kolevatov obviously can be removed as well, since most probably his body was moved by Yuris as well. It's hard to imagine that after killing everybody Kolevatov decided to embrace corpse of Zolotarev and freeze to death. So, we are left with IRZ.
Is that your theory? IRZ killed everybody, got tired, and did not manage to return to the tent, correct?
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No, it's not like that. You've drawn the wrong conclusion. Ivanov is really not easy to understand.
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SURI, You are always welcome to propose your view of DPI. I suggest you open a separate topic for that in the "Murdered" section, and we will come to your topic to have a friendly discussion. Otherwise, it might take very long to understand what you are hinting at. Of course, it's fully up to you whether to start the discussion or not.
My reading of Ivanov's articles is:
- DPI was an accident;
- fireballs had direct relation to DPI;
- regional CPSU leaders pushed him to close the case before getting to the root cause;
- he knows in general what happened in reality, and it was not natural calamity.
Besides what Ivanov says, it is also very important what he does not say. And he has never said "a rocket".
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You are really going in the wrong direction. DPI was murder and an accident. The fireballs were not literally fireballs.
Ivanov
„but investigative actions indicated that the case of Dyatlov group had nothing to do with military tests.“
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Recommend interested posters go up one level and read the meteor thread. It may be germane to some aspect of your investigations.
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The ‘Ecology of the Unknown’ association was a late‑Soviet paranormal research group focused on UFOs, anomalous lights, and unexplained phenomena. It wasn’t a scientific or investigative body. Ivanov’s 1991 letter was written to their TV programme, which specialised in mystery and dramatic storytelling. That context explains the tone of the letter — it was shaped for a paranormal audience, not as a forensic statement. His official 1959 conclusions never changed, and no one else ever came forward to support the idea of a cover‑up.
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Ivanov’s 1991 letter was written to their TV programme, which specialised in mystery and dramatic storytelling. That context explains the tone of the letter — it was shaped for a paranormal audience, not as a forensic statement.
OK. Let's assume that in 1990s Ivanov was obsessed by UFOs and aliens, and his statement that the hikers became victims of a flying object should be treated as an attempt to promote paranormal topic. But what about Nickolay Kuzminov? He was very important witness, the same level as Askinadzi. Why was he talking about a fireball, which had been observed by the whole Search camp? Do you truly believe that majority of the searchers were UFO geeks and dreamers?
Kuzminov:
"We were awakened by the guy on duty at night. We went out of the tent and watched. After 5-6 minutes, we began to lose our minds (the ball was approaching us), and we began to walk around like sleepwalkers. At the command of the group leader, I fired my pistol into the air several times, which brought those who were losing their minds back to their senses. We returned to the tent."
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Reads like poor translation.
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You may translate yourself, no problem.
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shock1
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@senior
Can you supply the link and date for this letter and supply the written translation in English ?
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The original information about Kuzminov's letter to the newspaper can be found at this link:
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?msg=2071
The whole text is available there, it should not be an issue to translate it online.
Ivanov, Karelin, Sogrin, Kuzminov - all of them seem to be UFO obsessed, aren't they? I even don't mention Korotaev, who openly said "a rocket had flown the wrong location".
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Thank you, I was having problems with the links last night. Adverts kept popping up.
I'm not sure that they are UFO obsessed but rather perhaps getting some kind of reward for sharing their story. The papers and TV programs that air the stories also did, forteian times, paranormal programs too. The spawning of these stories all came out with various books of UFOs for example , no different than the explosion in the west. ( I bought a few) . Oddly enough , whilst searching another story came up from 1993 in Russia, it was allegedly about soldiers shooting at a UFO and the aliens attacked back turning 20 or so soldiers into limestone. Even the CIA followed the story. ( The mind boggles)
I don't think they would approach such a non professional form of publishing if they were serious about their claims ?.
I would have thought everyone would be saying in their statements that some idiot was shooting a gun in the middle of the night and there was a bright light in the sky , also, they had cameras and many minutes to try and take a photo of what they saw. The story doesn't add up but that might be memory as is suggested.
Personally , with everything I can find, it looks like there were lights in the sky, but there always is and these were reported by too many people not to be one persons imagination but it's either tests or nature in the sky.
Here's the alleged CIA version below, it's got to be a joke...
C00386418
*** Document 199 of 54 FBIS
T.ME/BANKI.OIL
DOCN 000103001
CLAS UNCLAS 3A/PHU
SERIAL NUMBER: AU3003152893
PASS PASS:
ATTH BBC SD
COUN COUNTRY: RUSSIA INTERNATIONAL
SUBJ SUBJ:
PAPER REPORTS ALLEGED EVIDENCE ON MISHAP INVOLVING UFO
SOUR SOURCE: KIEV HOLOS UKRAYINY IN UKRAINIAN 27 MAR 93 P 5
TEXT TEXT:
//((REPRINT FROM THE NEWSPAPER TERNOPIL VECHIRNIY: REVENGE FIRST PARAGRAPH PUBLISHED IN BOLDFACE)) "COSMIC
((TEXT)) AFTER MIKHAIL GORBACHEV DISSOLVED, IN 1991, THE KGB TOP SECRET INTELLIGENCE ADMINISTRATION, A LOT OF MATERIAL FROM THAT DEPARTMENT FOUND THEIR WAY ABROAD, IN PARTICULAR TO THE CIA, AS REPORTED BY THE AUTHORITATIVE MAGAZINE CANADIAN WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, *U.S. INTELLIGENCE OBTAINED A 250-PAGE FILE ON THE ATTACK BY A UFO ON A MILITARY UNIT IN SIBERIA.
THE FILE CONTAINS NOT ONLY MANY DOCUMENTARY PHOTOGRAPHS AND DRAWINGS, BUT ALSO TESTIMONIES BY ACTUAL PARTICIPANTS IN THE EVENTS. ONE OF THE CIA REPRESENTATIVES REFERRED TO THIS CASE AS "A HORRIFIC *PICTURE OF REVENGE ON THE PART OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL CREATURES, A PICTURE THAT MAKES ONE'S BLOOD FREEZE."
ACCORDING TO THE KGB MATERIALS, A QUITE LOW-FLYING SPACESHIP IN THE SHAPE OF A SAUCER APPEARED ABOVE A MILITARY UNIT THAT WAS CONDUCTING ROUTINE TRAINING MANEUVERS. FOR UNKNOWN REASONS, SOMEBODY UNEXPECTEDLY LAUNCHED A SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE AND HIT THE UFO. IT FELL TO EARTH NOT FAR AWAY, AND FIVE SHORT HUMANOIDS WITH "LARGE HEADS AND LARGE BLACK EYES" EMERGED FROM IT.
IT IS STATED IN THE TESTIMONIES BY THE TWO SOLDIERS WHO REMAINED ALIVE THAT, AFTER FREEING THEMSELVES FROM THE DEBRIS, THE ALIENS CAME CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEN "MERGED INTO A SINGLE OBJECT THAT ACQUIRED A SPHERICAL SHAPE." THAT OBJECT BEGAN TO BUZZ AND HISS SHARPLY, AND THEN BECAME BRILLIANT WHITE. IN A FEW SECONDS, THE SPHERES GREW MUCH BIGGER AND EXPLODED BY FLARING UP WITH AN EXTREMELY BRIGHT LIGHT. AT THAT VERY INSTANT, 23 SOLDIERS WHO HAD WATCHED THE PHENOMENON TURNED INTO... STONE POLES. ONLY TWO SOLDIERS WHO STOOD IN THE SHADE AND WERE LESS EXPOSED TO THE LUMINOUS EXPLOSION SURVIVED.
THE KGB REPORT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE REMAINS OF THE UFO AND THE "PETRIFIED SOLDIERS" WERE TRANSFERRED TO A SECRET SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTION NEAR MOSCOW. SPECIALISTS ASSUME THAT A SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT IS STILL UNKNOWN TO EARTHLINGS INSTANTLY CHANGED THE STRUCTURE OF THE SOLDIERS' LIVING ORGANISMS, HAVING TRANSFORMED IT INTO A SUBSTANCE WHOSE MOLECULAR COMPOSITION IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF LIMESTONE.
A CIA REPRESENTATIVE STATED: "IF THE KGB FILE CORRESPONDS TO REALITY, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY MENACING CASE. THE ALIENS POSSESS SUCH WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT GO BEYOND ALL OUR ASSUMPTIONS.
THEY CAN STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES IF ATTACKED. (ENDALL) BT 23003.03 27 MAR
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Kuzminov describes the same thing as Ivanov. Each one speaks in their own style of speaking about the same thing. But they are not literal fireballs. Balls cannot rewrite diaries.
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There's no point in chasing fireballs, Ivanov clearly ruled them out. He used them only to illustrate what happened. But many take it literally.
Ivanov
„Older people may recall what it was like: just recently launched an artificial Earth satellite, it announced trials of atomic and then hydrogen weapons (as it was called then), and many associated these mysterious phenomena, including unidentified flying objects with military tests, but investigative actions indicated that the case of Dyatlov group had nothing to do with military tests.“
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There's no point in chasing fireballs, Ivanov clearly ruled them out.
Do these Ivanov's words mean that fireballs are to be ruled out? nea1
"And again about the fireballs. They were and still are. It is only necessary not to hush up their appearance, but to deeply understand their nature. The vast majority of the witnesses that I met talk about the peaceful nature of their behavior, but, as you see, there are also tragic exceptions. Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people. I know all the details of this incident and I can say that only those who were in these balls know about these circumstances more than me."
It sounds like Ivanov calls to investigate fireball's nature and even try to catch and interrogate their pilots. Also he openly accuses fireballs (or their operators) of killing the hikers, see it?
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It sounds like Ivanov calls to investigate fireball's nature and even try to catch and interrogate their pilots. Also he openly accuses fireballs (or their operators) of killing the hikers, see it?
I understand that. I know who Ivanov is accusing, but it's not fireballs. Soldiers or rockets are not related to the case. Ivanov makes that very clear.
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I know who Ivanov is accusing, but it's not fireballs. Soldiers or rockets are not related to the case. Ivanov makes that very clear.
The point is that we should focus on the autopsy reports, which are available in the case files. Especially, on the reports for Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo, who had severe and strange injuries. Their 3 reports are augmented by doctor Vozrozhdenniy's interrogation, where he suggests 3 options for traumatic force:
- strong gust of wind throwing people on rocks;
- automobile at high speed;
- blast air wave.
What is important, each of these forces is dozens times stronger than a human being can develop. Even a group of people combining their efforts cannot develop such a force. And if we look closer at these 3 forces, they all work almost the same way: a victim and a 'force' meet at high speed, the victim gets traumas contacting with vast 'strike area' of the 'force'. It has nothing in common with combat mechanics when people fight. The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.
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On the other hand, a locomotive travelling at 1 MPH can inflict massive disfiguring damage to a stationary object. They need not be blasted. They could be crushed.
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You have to consider other circumstances than just the autopsy reports. According to Ivanov, a crime occurred and he had irrefutable evidence to prove it. You're still missing a lot.
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What is targeted killing but murder? And since no one else was there, murder and an accident. And it starts with 8 sets of footprints.
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All behavior is motivated.
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All behavior is motivated.
Can't you read?
Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people.“
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Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people.“
Take it easy, it is about nothing. Ivanov blames everybody for everything. In the case files' closing statement he blames Dyatlov that he made many mistakes which resulted in loss of the group. According to Ivanov, Gordo, Kurochkin, Siunov are also 'absolutely guilty' . Then Eshtokin and Kirilenko are blamed that they hampered the investigation, probably covering up somebody or something. And finally, to complete the picture, Ivanov accuses unnamed humans or humanoids that they perfomed targeted attack on the hikers.
You will not derive anything useful from that.
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You guessed two names and then you're missing five more. It's better to understand the case than to guess.
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Ivanov mentioned 2 main actors, 1 penultimate point and 4 newspaper issues. You have to understand that in his position he could not speak directly.
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I fail to see how time mitigates Ivanov's personal risk.
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The truth is not always pleasant, which is why there was a cover-up. When something was not allowed to be said, it simply could not be said. But Ivanov managed it and tactically named those he needed to name, including the penultimate point. You can easily fill in the unsaid names in three steps.
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Rockets and explosions are a dead end and a waste of time. Ivanov took a different path, for which he had one piece of evidence after another.
Yes, it appears that way. Yet so many investigators keep harping on about rockets and explosions. There is absolutely no evidence of any rockets or explosions being involved in this case.
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Do you think Ivanov didn't come to a solid conclusion? But he knew everything, he knew all the circumstances. The only problem was that he couldn't publish it.
I recommend watching this video and this thread. Maybe you will find the answers there.
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=2032.msg29646#msg29646
Ivanov certainly talked after the USSR collapsed. And by the way, the video has been removed from YouTube.
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Let's start with the fact that 8 sets of footprints were found.
Tempalov's statement – sheet 312
„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations.
Interesting, isn't it? That is what Tempalov says. So, if correct, who was the one person missing, male or female? And how could this be? How on Earth can a ninth person disappear from the tent site?
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No, it's not like that. You've drawn the wrong conclusion. Ivanov is really not easy to understand.
Ivanov is definitely one of, if not the most important person, regarding our attempts to understand what may have happened. There should be no doubt that an unknown force was at work. The question then should become whether that force was of an alien nature. I use the word alien to represent a force from outside of our Earthly existence. We should not rule out the possibility of such forces being within our Earthly existence.
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The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.
Well, it appears to be the case that at least 2 members of the group were victims of a directed unknown force. Other victims may result from such force, but indirectly.
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Admin , can someone please address sarapuk and his use of quoting and editing of previous posts. I know we all make the errors but the threads become gobbledygook for anyone following them in the future .
The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.
Well, it appears to be the case that at least 2 members of the group were victims of a directed unknown force. Other victims may result from such force, but indirectly.
Sarapuk, please preview your posts as it looks like other members are saying what you are saying. , I don't know if your addressing suri in this post ?
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Let's start with the fact that 8 sets of footprints were found.
Tempalov's statement – sheet 312
„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations.
Interesting, isn't it? That is what Tempalov says. So, if correct, who was the one person missing, male or female? And how could this be? How on Earth can a ninth person disappear from the tent site?
It was a male. He became the first snowman.
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All this is digression. Skin and eye loss were natural decay accelerated by water immersion. The chest injuries suggest that they were thrown against something, or the opposite. That force did not produce similar injuries in all. It is reasonable to think that the damage was sustained where they were found. It is arguable that they were moving to or from the mat, when they were affected. It is arguable that there were no additional companions around to move them to the branch mat, prop them up and otherwise nurse them through their agony.
For those who insist on a detonation, I suggest widening your Google Map search of the area and report on what you feel are the scars upon the land that reinforce your theory.
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For those who insist on a detonation, I suggest widening your Google Map search of the area and report on what you feel are the scars upon the land that reinforce your theory.
Explosions can be of different nature and differnt strength. Not all explosions leave ruins, burnt trees, and bodies torn to parts. If air wave front pressure is not high, the environment might keep almost intact.
(https://i.ibb.co/BV3LpFhz/Wave-Pressure.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hR9s6wG7)
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Admin , can someone please address sarapuk and his use of quoting and editing of previous posts. I know we all make the errors but the threads become gobbledygook for anyone following them in the future .
The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.
Well, it appears to be the case that at least 2 members of the group were victims of a directed unknown force. Other victims may result from such force, but indirectly.
Sarapuk, please preview your posts as it looks like other members are saying what you are saying. , I don't know if your addressing suri in this post ?
Sorry, Ziljoe, the English language was my worst subject at school. I will attempt rectification.
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Sorry, Ziljoe, the English language was my worst subject at school. I will attempt rectification.
Your English is fine. That's wasn't what I was meaning. It's the editing of the reply post. For some reason your posting your post in the previous person's post so it looks like other people are saying what is actually your post. I too, am poor at English and failed miserably. It's just if you preview your post you can spot the error and put the correct coding in for the end of the quote . I hope that makes sense.
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@senior. I don't think that chart is comparable . There's lots of details missing in the autopsies from a blast wave. The rib fractures are consistent with a compression not a blast?.
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Minute‑by‑Minute Reconstruction of the Ravine Four (Plausible Sequence Based on Avalanche Medicine & Autopsy Evidence)
Below is a medically realistic timeline of what likely happened to the ravine four after a snow‑den or cornice collapse.
It’s not speculation about “mystery forces” — it’s simply what the injuries and physiology point to.
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0–1 minutes: The collapse
- A section of the snow roof or cornice gives way.
- Heavy blocks of snow/ice fall into the den or ravine.
- One block or edge strikes Thibeaux‑Brignolle’s head → single massive skull fracture.
- Others land on the upper bodies of Dubinina, Zolotaryov, and Kolevatov → initial inward‑bending rib fractures.
- They are not fully buried; air pockets remain.
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1–5 minutes: Pinned but alive
- They are conscious, shocked, and trying to orient themselves.
- Breathing is already restricted because the chest wall is compressed.
- The heart is still pumping strongly → bleeding begins immediately around the fractures.
- No external abrasions because the load is snow, not a hard impact surface.
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5–15 minutes: Hypoxia and hypothermia accelerate
- Snow settles and compacts, increasing chest pressure.
- Breathing becomes shallow and laboured.
- Oxygen levels fall → hypoxia.
- They were already cold; now immobilised in snow, heat loss accelerates.
- Core temperature drops into the low 30s°C.
- Clotting begins to fail → cold‑induced coagulopathy starts.
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15–30 minutes: The “lethal triad” sets in
- Breathing is severely restricted; chest expansion is minimal.
- Consciousness fades in and out.
- Physiology deteriorates into the trauma “lethal triad”:
- hypothermia
- acidosis (from low oxygen)
- coagulopathy (clotting failure)
- Internal bleeding becomes massive because the body can no longer clot.
- This is when the autopsy‑level haemorrhage is being created.
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30–60 minutes: Irreversible decline
- Breathing becomes agonal or stops entirely.
- They are unconscious or unresponsive.
- The heart continues beating weakly for part of this window →
enough to keep pumping blood into damaged tissues, explaining the extensive haemorrhage.
- Death occurs from a combination of:
- asphyxia (chest cannot expand)
- hypothermia
- internal bleeding
This is not instant suffocation — it is a slow, multi‑factor decline.
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1–3 hours after death: Post‑mortem settling
- Bodies remain pinned in the same compressed positions.
- Snow continues to settle and compact around them.
- Over the following weeks, more snow falls, compresses, and gradually lowers them into the stream channel.
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February → May: Freeze–thaw and meltwater
- Meltwater eventually begins to flow around and under the bodies.
- Soft tissue (eyes, mouth, etc.) is lost post‑mortem due to water action and small scavengers.
- By the time searchers arrive in May, the ravine has opened up and the bodies appear to be “in the stream bed” —
but this is the result of months of settling and melt, not their original position on 1 February.
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Why this timeline fits the evidence
- Inward rib fractures → slow compression, not blast or fall.
- Massive internal bleeding → they were alive long enough to bleed.
- No external trauma → snow load, not impact or shrapnel.
- Skull fracture → single blunt impact from a falling block, not a pressure wave.
- Final position in the stream bed → natural settling + meltwater, not an impact onto bare rock.
- Cold‑induced coagulopathy → explains why the injuries look “severe” without requiring extreme force.
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The anaconda of the Urals.
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There's lots of details missing in the autopsies from a blast wave.
Of course. What are you expecting from the autopsy reports that were produced by Lev Ivanov at Sverdlovsk Prosecutor's office? The reports for Dubinina, Zolotarev, Thibo, and Kolevatov were printed on the same typewriter, on which Ivanov printed Closing statement for the criminal case. AI doesn't tell you about that, does it? To rely on AI advices is even worse than to rely on the tale, which case files tell you. The autopsy reports do not have a single attribute that suggests they had ever been at the Sverdlovsk medical lab. The reports are confirmed only with Vozrozhdenniy's signature on their last pages, the rest of the pages is just plain text not authorised in any way.
The rib fractures are consistent with a compression not a blast.
The ribs and the skull fractures are consistent with the traumatic mechanism suggested by Vozrozhdenniy - strong gust of wind throwing people on the rocks.
Strong gust of wind = blast air wave
Rocks = rocks at the bottom of the creek polished by water
All three affected hikes lie on their traumas exactly.
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There's lots of details missing in the autopsies from a blast wave.
Of course. What are you expecting from the autopsy reports that were produced by Lev Ivanov at Sverdlovsk Prosecutor's office? The reports for Dubinina, Zolotarev, Thibo, and Kolevatov were printed on the same typewriter, on which Ivanov printed Closing statement for the criminal case. AI doesn't tell you about that, does it? To rely on AI advices is even worse than to rely on the tale, which case files tell you. The autopsy reports do not have a single attribute that suggests they had ever been at the Sverdlovsk medical lab. The reports are confirmed only with Vozrozhdenniy's signature on their last pages, the rest of the pages is just plain text not authorised in any way.
lie on their traumas exactly.
Depends on which AI and how you use AI ?. I don't think there's any confirmed evidence that it's the same typewriter, this is speculation with little evidence. The autopsy show no signs of blast injuries, the landscape shows no sign of a blast , your diagram of overpressure of buildings is a standard illustration used in fire instruction and many other instance's. You have got to look at what happens to a human body in a blast wave and it needs to be stronger blast than your low level blast example .
The rib fractures are consistent with a compression not a blast.
The ribs and the skull fractures are consistent with the traumatic mechanism suggested by Vozrozhdenniy - strong gust of wind throwing people on the rocks.
Strong gust of wind = blast air wave
Rocks = rocks at the bottom of the creek polished by water
All three affected hikes lie on their traumas exactly.
A strong gust of wind is not the same as a blast air wave , we might as well just say a a blast of wind blew them off the ledge of the ravine or the fell into the ravine . However, and I will repeat , there are no signs of blast injuries in the autopsies and the environment that would have been observed or reported .
The rib fractures are quite specific and reflect compression .
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I don't think there's any confirmed evidence that it's the same typewriter, this is speculation with little evidence.
To what I know, there is confirmed evidence that the last 4 autopsy reports were printed on the typewriter in Prosecutor's office and not in the Medical lab. There is also evidence that hand writings on the copies of the reports, which can be found in the Vol.2, belong to Lev Ivanov. If you are interested, you can easily perform your own expertise. Contact an expert in typewriters and handwriting, whom you trust, and ask him/her to compare the autopsy reports and criminal case closing statement. Also ask to compare proved Ivanov's handwriting with those words written on the copies from Vol.2 with a pen. If you do that, the case files will show you new, hidden side. kewl1
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@senior, it would be more useful to present your evidence than to waste time in delaying what you will eventually post. Where or what the case files are printed on has little meaning . The defect on the typewriter is on numerous soviet typewriters for one going back at least to ww2.
There is no hidden new side , there is no blast wave that blasts people without causing extensive damage to trees , ear drums , Internal organs, clothes etc.
We don't have - pneumothorax
- hemopneumothorax
- air embolism
- mediastinal emphysema
- subcutaneous emphysema
- airway hemorrhage
- alveolar rupture
- eardrum rupture
- bowel perforation
- cardiac contusion .
Unfortunately I don't have the resources for an expert and no one is claiming any significance from the alleged copied handwriting or typewriter.
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The rib fractures are quite specific and reflect compression .
OK. Do you have clear explanation what provided that compression? Was Thibo's skull also compressed?
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The rib fractures are quite specific and reflect compression .
OK. Do you have clear explanation what provided that compression? Was Thibo's skull also compressed?
The most likey cause is the snow above them.
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The most likey cause is the snow above them.
So, what is the logic of the event? The hikers inside the tent were attacked by a snow slab, which cracked their bones, and then they marched 1.5 km downhill to RIP in the ravine? Or the slab just frightened the hikers, they found better location in the ravine, where they immediately digged a tunnel in the snow and thus created even stronger offender than the slab?
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The most likey cause is the snow above them.
So, what is the logic of the event? The hikers inside the tent were attacked by a snow slab, which cracked their bones, and then they marched 1.5 km downhill to RIP in the ravine? Or the slab just frightened the hikers, they found better location in the ravine, where they immediately digged a tunnel in the snow and thus created even stronger offender than the slab?
Some sort of snow build up at the tent is the most likely cause for leaving in my opinion.
However, the ravine lends it's self to the incident of rib fractures and the autopsy findings. . We know the ravine can be empty to full depending on the year. . Restricted breathing and compression causes the foaming blood amongst a number of findings.
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the ravine lends it's self to the incident of rib fractures and the autopsy findings.
So, the lesson with choosing bad location for the tent was not learnt... The next location for the camp, the ravine, provided even worse snow threat. Are we talking about experienced hikers, masters of sport, or about school boys and girls, who do not know how to camp safely? How could Vozrozhdenniy oversee such obvious thing as bodies' compression by snow? He stood together with Ivanov and Tempalov on the ravine's bank in May 1959. Why did he invent air wave and automobile at speed, when the 'killer' (snow) was at his legs?
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Unfortunately the lessons for any choice of location of a tent or a route are always susceptible to the weather and conditions . What might be good one day , week or year maybe the wrong location at a different time. History of hiking or tourism in the soviet union is littered with deaths and accidents, some were avalanches. There are a number of less known accidents that just didn't hit the main media. Likewise, every country has had similar accidents by highly qualified hikers or mountaineers.
The chosen location at the ravine is ultimately the only choice , they weren't in a position to choice the ideal penthouses. The clocks ticking and you need to reduce heat loss asap . A logical solution is to build a den with walls and a roof. He didn't invent an air wave or high speed crash, they are just examples. The autopsy is in line with compression more than a blast or car crash.
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Not to mention that you can not collect payment for damages from Nature.
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Sorry, Ziljoe, the English language was my worst subject at school. I will attempt rectification.
Your English is fine. That's wasn't what I was meaning. It's the editing of the reply post. For some reason your posting your post in the previous person's post so it looks like other people are saying what is actually your post. I too, am poor at English and failed miserably. It's just if you preview your post you can spot the error and put the correct coding in for the end of the quote . I hope that makes sense.
Thankyou. I will try my best.
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For one do not believe crushing injuries happened at the tent. I do however believe the canvas collapsed on those inside. They, in turn, cut themselves free. Given the conditions of available light, amount of snow, the uncertainty of additional snow, the risk of crawling back inside the tent for supplies and the uselessness of ski boots when skis skis can't be reached , they opted to get out of the cold, get warm, wait and return.
I can believe serious injuries happened in the ravine owing to their atttempt to create a makeshift cave for up to nine people.
I do not support the idea that a fall onto snow covered ground from a nominal 12 feet perch in a cedar tree is going to kill anyone, let alone two physically fit Soviet hikers.
My idea leans toward bad weather and insufficient resources as the cause for getting them out of the tent. I like the idea that the icy, rocky, slippery and wet slope to the forest created injuries that slowed progress. I think that once people got wet, there was no amount of fire drying of wet clothes that would be sufficient.
The Yuri's may have tried some sort of heroism in gathering supplies, but they died in the effort most likely not from nor at the cedar.
A possibility exists that Igor and Zolo had a disagreement about next steps in survival. Zolo and other opting for a cave, Igor opting for the tent. Equally, they all could have gone to the ravine and when the collapse happened IRZ left for the tent and what first aid and sledging supplies they had.
As experienced as they all were, I feel they misjudged distances, their own resiliance and the duration of the weather. Of the three it was the weather that decided their fate.
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For one do not believe crushing injuries happened at the tent. I do however believe the canvas collapsed on those inside. They, in turn, cut themselves free. Given the conditions of available light, amount of snow, the uncertainty of additional snow, the risk of crawling back inside the tent for supplies
So you really think that it's better that they left the tent improperly dressed and unequipped because they would be warmer outside of the tent. The tent was ripped but not destroyed. It would have been better to stay in the ripped tent with all its supplies rather than leave it in the way that you state.
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Better not to damage the tent at all, yes? They did. For me the justification is one of 4 things. Breathing, bleeding, broken bones or burns. I opt for breathing.
I thought at one time that cutting the tent for shoulder shawls made sense. That, of course would have ended the hike.Nine experienced hikers did agree on two things thing. That was the certainty nobody was safe at 1079 and everybody would be better off down below.
What baffles me is that a fire and a likely snow cave did not keep them alive, not a single one. Yet, they could do nothing more. They would perish from hunger, if not cold if they chose to walk out of the woods. There was no signal fire, no help signs in the snow. Nobody was coming for them. Igor was warned to not attempt Ortoten in Winter.
I feel they left the tent because it was their best option. They stayed in the woods for the same reason. Nature does not care about reasons. The reason they got into that mess is because what they imagined they could do did not account for extremes in weather.
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What baffles me...
If you ignore Tempalov's statement about 8 sets of footprints, you will still be groping. Without this key point, any theory will remain just a fantasy.
Tempalov
„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations. I did not find a ninth track, it was simply not there. I photographed the tracks.“
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As long as the toes were going down hill. I am not too concerned about the number estimated.
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It's a mistake to ignore this number. You'll even find it underlined in the case files. So if you want to do a serious investigation, you should start wondering whose footprints were missing and why. You probably want to know what happened at the tent, right?
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Hard to verify when DyatlovPass.com is being attacked just now. Nine hikers, nine sets of prints makes sense to me. What am I missing? Is this a conspiracy theory?
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When you think everything is a conspiracy, you can't move the case forward. Have you forgotten that what is logical may not always be right?
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I agree. That is why the contention that 8 not 9 people fled the tent makes no sense to me.
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I agree. That is why the contention that 8 not 9 people fled the tent makes no sense to me.
If you avoid the facts, you are closing the door on yourself to resolving DPI. A flawed start leads to a flawed finish. And actually, this is also the first time I've heard from you that you don't believe everything that's written in the case files.
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SOGRIN]: There were nine tracks! I counted those tracks myself.
– So, you saw them?
[SOGRIN]: I counted those tracks myself. I'm surprised by this statement that there were eight pairs of tracks, that someone killed them there…
– You say you saw the tracks of nine people. But before this, we always discussed and assumed that they scattered in disarray, that something emergency happened. And they ran out of the tent in panic, in terror. And you said about the tracks you saw, that they were running in panic? Or did they slowly emerge, as the prosecutor says?
[SOGRIN]: I can explain what the tracks were like. The thing is, the tracks overlapped and intersected. That's why it was very difficult to count them accurately. What does that indicate? They ran out one by one and stepped on their comrades' tracks, intersected, and ran down.
I believe this insisting on 8 tracks plays into the Zolo as killer conspiracy theory, Zolo supposedly steps in the track of another, step for step for no earthly meaningful reason. It was common knowledge he was on the hike. Unless he had a revolver to control 8 other people, he couldn't manage them and manage his footsteps at the same time¡ Zolo as the malefactor is an old trope.
The only really interesting thing for me is that if the tent collapsed under snow...and there were axes and knives in the tent, it would be a simple matter to go get them and dig out the tent! Now, if I consider high winds occurring at the same time, then digging out the tent and resurrecting it even with 9 bodies and 18 hands at work didn't work. Why? I suspect that in windy conditions with broken tie downs and support poles they couldn't pitch the tent and build a snow bank.
Sohrin contends all of them retreated to the forest. That is where they were all found. I submit they misjudged the distance and the duration of the weather.
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@GlennM
Tempalov knew exactly – he had photographed these tracks. Not without reason is this note underlined in the file. Therefore, this fact that only 8 sets of footprints led from the tent can also be observed from the scene itself by the position and placement of the bodies. Could you really have missed that specific body?
And it surprises me that you of all people who despise all kinds of media appearances and articles believe this interview more than the case file itself and are trying to disprove this file with these sensational interviews. That is amazing!
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The point is that tracks in the snow are subject to the weather. There is no guarantee that they will necessarily last. Those who discovered the tracks made tracks. The liklihood that an individual can mask their movement over at least 1,500 steps is improbable to the point of impossibility. Wishful thinking is easier.
It is clear that all left the tent. No records indicate any reversal of footprints enroute to the woods. There was a flashlight found enroute, a most inneffective weapon.
There was nothing about the depth of prints to suggest anyone was carried. There was no foot dragging identified. Simply put, nine people left the tent alive and were later found dead.
I feel that the analysis of the mystery by the footprint evidence is like trying to determine the number of stones tossed into a pond by analysing the ripples on the opposite shore.
I also find the psychotic Zolo hypothesis a convenient way to besmirch the memory of someone who actually was said to have writing materials in hand near death.
With regard to the latter, i find it impossible to consider anyone with glast related crushed ribs wanting to grab for a pencil and paper to write something down when they were dying in unimaginable pain. No, the injuries to Zolo and Lyuda were post mortem, though it baffles me that their bodies were positioned as they were.
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@GlennM
I think you are the one spinning conspiracies now by claiming there were 9 pairs of footprints. Tempalov clearly stated in an underlined note that he did not find the ninth footprint because it simply wasn’t there. And believe me, he knew exactly what he was talking about.
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I discount conspiracy theories period. For example, if Zolo was some sort of an infiltrator, he would have had an easier time bumping Yuri Yuden for a place on the hike rather than waiting for a chance opening. I do ask for a direct explanation of what the unlikely number if footprints is supposed to mean. Until I get clarification,I contend they all left together and tried to survive the conditions in the forest together until hypothermia prevailed.
I do not understand why a fire was not maintained and a snow cave was not also far better constructed. I surmise that firewood was too scarce and/ or winds too high. I do not get why searchers of the R4 group did not find worked snow. I am not inclined to believe someone, for lack of a suitable weapon, was clubbing others with tree branches instead of using it for firewood. I am reminded that nobody at any time made an official condemnation of the hikers as dissidents or defectors. All of that is nonsense on stilts!
i am open to explanations that do not involve Zolo being the mad hatter or batter😀 It is known that conspiracy theorists can be both passionate and wrong.
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i am open to explanations that do not involve Zolo being the mad hatter or batter😀 It is known that conspiracy theorists can be both passionate and wrong.
And I thought you were interested in the truth...
Tempalov
„I did not find a ninth track, it was simply not there.“
(https://i.ibb.co/fdks1VXh/1000033243.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Xx7q2fWh)
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Tempalov
„I did not find a ninth track, it was simply not there.“
Let's look a bit deeper into the Tempalov's interrogation report:
"The tracks were only visible on a 50-meter stretch".
And now look at what Ivanov had put into the case files Closing statement:
"For up to 500 meters, there were traces of people walking from the tent to the valley and into the forest. The traces were well preserved, and there were 8-9 pairs of them."
Perhaps, Tempalov selected not the best sector of the 500-meter long area for doing his calculations. If he had calculated traces at another sector, probably he would have found all 9 pairs.
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So the thread becomes " broken ribs, missing eyes and feet!" .
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This body does not have a dynamic pose. Its pose feels somewhat restricted – the arms and legs are close together. The urinary bladder is overfilled. The body had not moved for a long time and was placed at the location.
The two Yuris hid Dyatlov under a birch tree and then hid themselves in a cedar tree.
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The two Yuris hid Dyatlov under a birch tree and then hid themselves in a cedar tree.
And what was the rest of the group doing at that time?
By the way, lighting a fire at the place where one is hiding is not a good idea.
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Exactly. Both Yuris needed to remain invisible, so why would they start a fire? And they wouldn’t have anything to light it with anyway. Slobodin and Kolevatov, who were on the slope at that time, had the matches on them. The rest of the group was therefore still on the slope, but the two Yuris already needed to be by the cedar tree. They arrived there first, and some didn't arrive at all.