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Theories Discussion => Yeti / Snowman => Topic started by: track hunter on August 30, 2019, 10:50:09 AM

Title: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 30, 2019, 10:50:09 AM
I would not want to write the full version in detail, this is a very long time, I just want to indicate the main important detail, which is directly related to the involvement of a wild man on the Dyatlov pass. Everyone knows that the investigation did not conduct a traceological examination of the tracks. And this is a big omission.
Yeap, this is exactly what the snowman’s footprints are. https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c852020/v852020375/1af89a/RooDjS_HYg4.jpg,https://sun9-48.userapi.com/c851336/v851336955/181798/qxMrWdOEjxg.jpg
I explain why these traces cannot belong to man. Take a look. Size, stride length, a narrow heel is visible on some, a depression in the snow and a peculiar cautious gait bypassing the line (it is common for a snowman to not walk in human tracks),and there is no furrow in the snow characteristic of a person’s gait(Bigfoot Raises Thigh High While Walking). In addition, no one will scatter away from the group and from the already existing path, this is an extra effort, and in the dark and in bad weather it is even dangerous.
 From the search team even mentioned, some tracks were up to 1.5m. But no one thinks, with his height, a person cannot have such a stride length, especially on snow (a stride length of a man of average height is about 0.7 - 0.8 m). Some say that maybe they were running. But firstly, if you try to run the slope, also in the snow, you will not leave such clear traces, you will also fall into ruin, and secondly, these two pairs of walking tracks, and not running, it is perfectly visible.

According to the canon of the criminal case, it is said that there were supposedly no traces of outsiders.
And how to believe this, when even the tracks are taken literally one-sided? As if deliberately, so that no one noticed too much, and then, they were photographed only in a short period. And how to understand inadvertently the phrased phrase of Korotaev that there was a big leg there, they say? Well, not about the cut off any human foot, he says. And obviously about a large footprint. So, I think the investigators found this trace.
Therefore, I am more and more inclined that we do not have all the materials. And the one who is authorized to open them also lacks the political will, as well as his predecessors.

And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

The riddle of the Dyatlov Pass is far from the only case of unexplained injuries. Surely many have read the books of retired police officer David Polides on the study of Sasquatch and mass disappearances / strange deaths in the national parks of North America and not only. The subject is hushed up or distorted, and I think, intentionally.
I can write a version from beginning to end with other indirect evidence, but it's too much Here is just the important part. And why do we need a version published with all the justifications? Prove the version, to whom? To people? But they need government confirmation. Authorities? To put them in an uncomfortable position by criticizing the decision of the prosecutor's office? They don’t need this, they closed the door on this issue and brought out their resume to the people.
This is due to the uncertainty of the question of being. Imagine, let's say, it is not troglodyte that is suspected about which Karl Linney wrote, but just a savage from a nomadic unknown tribe whose identity is not recorded anywhere. If there is a suspicion of his guilt in some crime, you can somehow designate the goal of "discover the tribe, take, find the culprit." But here it’s not at all clear: there may be a suspicion of a crime, and the official scientific community of the RAS considers that the suspects of this detachment do not exist in principle. Why should the prosecutor’s office, the police investigate a case in which a non-existent species may be found guilty? Give, comrades scientists, an idea of ​​who it is, where to look for it and what it is, then the investigation will work out this option. That is - a procedural absurdity. It’s not the study of the Bigfoot question that ran into a contradiction: the crime already exists, and the criminal subject has not yet been recognized. Useless lesson.

I believe that the maximum benefit is to know by professionals, people known in cryptozoology, biology, hunting skills ... facts that say that there are traces of a bigfoot in this area. Indeed, the main counterargument of the version is not that it is not logical, but that there is no and never was the suspect himself. Because of this, I think this secret will be long, and there will still be many skeptics ...
Well, all sorts of other versions will also live on ...
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 30, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
Interesting.  I don't have time to discuss now but will come later on this.

Regard

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 30, 2019, 01:08:10 PM
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And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

This is one of the DP group.   wink1

Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 30, 2019, 04:53:47 PM
I would not want to write the full version in detail, this is a very long time, I just want to indicate the main important detail, which is directly related to the involvement of a wild man on the Dyatlov pass. Everyone knows that the investigation did not conduct a traceological examination of the tracks. And this is a big omission.
Yeap, this is exactly what the snowman’s footprints are. https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c852020/v852020375/1af89a/RooDjS_HYg4.jpg,https://sun9-48.userapi.com/c851336/v851336955/181798/qxMrWdOEjxg.jpg
I explain why these traces cannot belong to man. Take a look. Size, stride length, a narrow heel is visible on some, a depression in the snow and a peculiar cautious gait bypassing the line (it is common for a snowman to not walk in human tracks),and there is no furrow in the snow characteristic of a person’s gait(Bigfoot Raises Thigh High While Walking). In addition, no one will scatter away from the group and from the already existing path, this is an extra effort, and in the dark and in bad weather it is even dangerous.
 From the search team even mentioned, some tracks were up to 1.5m. But no one thinks, with his height, a person cannot have such a stride length, especially on snow (a stride length of a man of average height is about 0.7 - 0.8 m). Some say that maybe they were running. But firstly, if you try to run the slope, also in the snow, you will not leave such clear traces, you will also fall into ruin, and secondly, these two pairs of walking tracks, and not running, it is perfectly visible.

According to the canon of the criminal case, it is said that there were supposedly no traces of outsiders.
And how to believe this, when even the tracks are taken literally one-sided? As if deliberately, so that no one noticed too much, and then, they were photographed only in a short period. And how to understand inadvertently the phrased phrase of Korotaev that there was a big leg there, they say? Well, not about the cut off any human foot, he says. And obviously about a large footprint. So, I think the investigators found this trace.
Therefore, I am more and more inclined that we do not have all the materials. And the one who is authorized to open them also lacks the political will, as well as his predecessors.

And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

The riddle of the Dyatlov Pass is far from the only case of unexplained injuries. Surely many have read the books of retired police officer David Polides on the study of Sasquatch and mass disappearances / strange deaths in the national parks of North America and not only. The subject is hushed up or distorted, and I think, intentionally.
I can write a version from beginning to end with other indirect evidence, but it's too much Here is just the important part. And why do we need a version published with all the justifications? Prove the version, to whom? To people? But they need government confirmation. Authorities? To put them in an uncomfortable position by criticizing the decision of the prosecutor's office? They don’t need this, they closed the door on this issue and brought out their resume to the people.
This is due to the uncertainty of the question of being. Imagine, let's say, it is not troglodyte that is suspected about which Karl Linney wrote, but just a savage from a nomadic unknown tribe whose identity is not recorded anywhere. If there is a suspicion of his guilt in some crime, you can somehow designate the goal of "discover the tribe, take, find the culprit." But here it’s not at all clear: there may be a suspicion of a crime, and the official scientific community of the RAS considers that the suspects of this detachment do not exist in principle. Why should the prosecutor’s office, the police investigate a case in which a non-existent species may be found guilty? Give, comrades scientists, an idea of ​​who it is, where to look for it and what it is, then the investigation will work out this option. That is - a procedural absurdity. It’s not the study of the Bigfoot question that ran into a contradiction: the crime already exists, and the criminal subject has not yet been recognized. Useless lesson.

I believe that the maximum benefit is to know by professionals, people known in cryptozoology, biology, hunting skills ... facts that say that there are traces of a bigfoot in this area. Indeed, the main counterargument of the version is not that it is not logical, but that there is no and never was the suspect himself. Because of this, I think this secret will be long, and there will still be many skeptics ...
Well, all sorts of other versions will also live on ...

The foot prints are something that I have been interested in.  After reviewing the case files I found it very odd that there is so little forensic evidence associated with the foot prints.  Especially given that the search team were given specific instructions to focus on them.  I would have expected foot print matching with the each of the Dyatlov group as a minimum.  But nothing.

The photographs of the prints you have posted are interesting, but there is no real scale in the photo to use for size and distance measurement.  How have you estimated the foot stride and foot size?

Another aspect of the prints that I have speculated on is those prints that have deviated away from the main group and then are said to rejoin the group.  There is no time stamp on these prints so I myself speculated whether these prints were made by the "thing" that attacked the group?  They could have been the prints of the attackers following behind the group or even have been attacking the group as the descended the slope?  The dropped flashlight 450 metres from the tent.  Why did they not stop to pick this back up?

The photograph is interesting also.  If they had seen that in the photo and thought it was a Menk then I would have expected them to have written something in their diaries?  Unless they didn't see it, or just one of them had seen it and after telling the others they made a joke about it and wrote in the "Evening Otorten"?

I have been focussing on the injuries of the group and in particular those found in the ravine.  Thibo's head injury is identical in shape to the ball of a thumb on a hand.  As weird as it appears, it seems like something with a very large hand (30cm long) has crushed his skull applying a force in excess of 450 kg.  When you combine this with Lyuda and Semyon's flail chest it is very unlikely that a human could have inflicted those injuries and it is also unlikely that they were a result of a fall or accident.  I can see a pattern to injuries that suggest that the victims have been knocked to the ground and beaten with massive blows.  Possible dragged around a bit too.  This is typical of an ape like attack.

Regards

Star man

Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 30, 2019, 04:55:18 PM
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And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

This is one of the DP group.   wink1

Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?

LC can you point out the tracks on the photo?  I can't see any?  But we definitely need to be objective in this.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 30, 2019, 05:20:29 PM
Ski tracks... in the snow.... look fast...  lol2


(https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg)
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 30, 2019, 05:23:30 PM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 31, 2019, 12:20:45 AM


The foot prints are something that I have been interested in.  After reviewing the case files I found it very odd that there is so little forensic evidence associated with the foot prints.  Especially given that the search team were given specific instructions to focus on them.  I would have expected foot print matching with the each of the Dyatlov group as a minimum.  But nothing.

The photographs of the prints you have posted are interesting, but there is no real scale in the photo to use for size and distance measurement.  How have you estimated the foot stride and foot size?

Another aspect of the prints that I have speculated on is those prints that have deviated away from the main group and then are said to rejoin the group.  There is no time stamp on these prints so I myself speculated whether these prints were made by the "thing" that attacked the group?  They could have been the prints of the attackers following behind the group or even have been attacking the group as the descended the slope?  The dropped flashlight 450 metres from the tent.  Why did they not stop to pick this back up?

The photograph is interesting also.  If they had seen that in the photo and thought it was a Menk then I would have expected them to have written something in their diaries?  Unless they didn't see it, or just one of them had seen it and after telling the others they made a joke about it and wrote in the "Evening Otorten"?

I have been focussing on the injuries of the group and in particular those found in the ravine.  Thibo's head injury is identical in shape to the ball of a thumb on a hand.  As weird as it appears, it seems like something with a very large hand (30cm long) has crushed his skull applying a force in excess of 450 kg.  When you combine this with Lyuda and Semyon's flail chest it is very unlikely that a human could have inflicted those injuries and it is also unlikely that they were a result of a fall or accident.  I can see a pattern to injuries that suggest that the victims have been knocked to the ground and beaten with massive blows.  Possible dragged around a bit too.  This is typical of an ape like attack.

Regards

Star man
I already wrote why people can’t walk like that. In addition, the search engines mentioned a step 1.5 meters long and a large bare foot. In addition, the dimensions are visible to the naked eye. This is not only my opinion, but also the opinion of my friends hunters and biologists. These traces do not belong to human.

There is an opinion that the flashlight was left for a guide in the dark to return later. But I do not consider details that were not related to death, because they could leave the lantern as a landmark in the dark, but could just lose. And I don’t see the point in divination. Their task was to go down into the forest, first of all to make a fire in order to wait and scare away the beast.

Of course they would write about it and write a lot.  Please, do not forget that most diaries and entries are missing and not only. In my opinion, all the important evidence was hidden from the public. And no one really knows what was written in "Evening Otorten." We have supposedly a copy, not the original.

Of course, no avalanche, collapse of snow or falling on stones could cause such injuries. There is nowhere to fall, there are no steep cliffs at the stream. Injuries were caused by force that acted selectively on a particular person. It should be noted that there were no external skin lesions at the site of fractures. As for the injuries, I agree with you, but I have a slightly different look. No need to look for difficulties, everything is explained easier. Tibo had not just a blow, but a pressure. And most likely the base of the palm from the little finger. Lyudmila has a fracture from the 2nd to the 7th ribs. This is the approximate width of the killer’s palm. Application Mechanism - Impact + Pressure.

In addition, I personally talked with Askinadzi. And Bienko inadvertently blabbed about the details of the death of four. I quote "Kolevatov was at the cedar and heard screams at the stream. At that moment he was at the cedar. There was snow to the waist and when he came down to them, he helped them to the very end." Interesting information is not it? Such details can only be in the first person, namely Kolevatov who managed to write it in his diary. And of course, the diary was not shown to us. Also, in a letter to Bardin Masslennikov said that the group of Dyatlov "retreated." Surely this information is not known to you, but it is.

I will say right away. I will ignore comments with a mockery.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 03:47:53 AM
It is interesting.  Do you have any additional information?

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 04:35:17 AM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)

This is a much more interesting photo than frame 17.  First impression is that it looks similar to the Patterson footage.  I think it needs more detailed analysis. 

I can’t see the hoodie or the ski tracks.  Also the figure is off to the side of the shot which makes it appear that it was not the reason for taking the photo.  It also makes you wonder why Krivo was taking all these shots of the forest.  Interesting.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 04:41:19 AM
Another question for Track- are you saying Kolevatov had his diary with him when he was at the cedar?

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 07:50:52 AM
Now do you see the ski tracks?  They are traveling in a frozen creek which curves to the left where the two legged person is, and with ski tracks behind him.  Looks to be the point-man

If you dont see the ski tracks..... I dunno what to tell ya. And yes, the person has his hood up and ruffled pants that are darker then the top. 


(https://i.ibb.co/Cn2wnMg/6b-C7b-Hf-Mi-K8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fCvXCnf)
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 08:32:44 AM
The creature.....

This is more clear then the other famous yeti photo.  Clearly can see the break of the hood visor, lighter top vs the darker trousers, and the ruffles in the baggy trousers.


(https://i.ibb.co/YBt0dz5/S6-Yrdux-W6-HA.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/7Nk0WSb/Unknown-origin-Dyatlov-photos-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sJWXwgt)

(https://i.ibb.co/gdPFFkZ/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-16.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r3cffD2)




The PERSON seems to not have a 'large pack" on his back but possibly a smaller satchel which is exactly how they were traveling at the time the photo was taken. Their larger gear was on the sled.....   

(https://i.ibb.co/r4km87f/Dyatlov-pass-unknown-camera-film5-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pJ2xV0r)
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 31, 2019, 08:53:16 AM
It is interesting.  Do you have any additional information?

Regards

Star man

Of course, indirect evidence is sufficient. There is a lot of evidence of the Mansi people that a bigfoot lived in the upper reaches of the Lozva River. They found his skull, which is about 3 times larger than a human. In the 80s, Mansi left one of the villages because they were disturbed by a bigfoot. In addition to the death of the Dyatlov group, in the same 1959, near the Dyatlov Pass, the bodies of two Mansi hunters with numerous fractures and injuries were discovered. So who can make fractures to people in the forest? The answer is obvious. Recently there was an expedition on the pass. Found traces longer than 30 cm wide 20 cm.
http://inductor.su/dt/_IGP0848.jpg , http://inductor.su/dt/_IGP0844.jpg

Everyone in the group had a personal diary. According to the information that said Bienko, yes, Kolevatov had his own diary. Most likely the one that Askinadzi saw when Kolevatov’s body was taken out of the stream.

The figure in the picture is really identical to the figure of the Patterson-Gimlin movie. I think this figure was the reason for taking picture. When they passed this section, the last one in the group noticed that they were being watched. While setting up the camera, the figure turned around and was walking into the forest. This photo was taken when they already left village-north 2 . January 28-29 Let me remind you that ice can fall on rivers, skiers on rivers do not deviate from the track and strictly follow together each other.  This figure is a female snowman because she is wider. At frame 17, this is a male, he is slimmer. What conclusion can be made? a few days before the tragedy, Dyatlov’s group aroused interest from a bigfoot.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 09:01:05 AM
(https://sun9-40.userapi.com/c852020/v852020375/1af89a/RooDjS_HYg4.jpg)


As far as the images of footprints or 'tracks'.  I find it difficult to ascertain how anyone can look at a small, over-exposed, grainy digitized copy of a black/white photo from 1959 Russian frozen tundra and conclude........ anything. 

#1 There is absolutely nothing as far as a reference scale.  period.
#2 The people that saw and photographed them in person including indigenous natives (professional trackers) were specifically looking for and at said prints/tracks concluded they were HUMAN prints and that their distance spacing specifically indicated a short stride which means they were not running, and certainly were not made by a long stepping giant ape.

I dont intend to be jerky about this, but its important in my opinion to point out the blatantly obvious and scrutinize things of this nature for the sake of facts and truth.

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  From the search team even mentioned, some tracks were up to 1.5m.

Where is this evidence? Where is the picture of a tape measure next to the super-human length prints?  Where in the case files does it state 1.5m strides in the tracks? 
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 31, 2019, 09:14:00 AM
To do this, you will need to learn Russian and review many interviews with search participants. In addition, I personally talked with a search engine. I have a trained eye and I know how hikers behave according to the instructions. No examination of the traces was carried out to draw conclusions that they were left by a person. I am a hunter and know the tracks very well. You can deny as much as you like, but this is my final opinion. Why these are not traces of man I have already described above. And believe it or not is your business
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 09:14:19 AM
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Everyone in the group had a personal diary

We dont have any idea if any diaries are "missing".   For the sake of debating, lets say they did....  How would them being "missing" constitute evidence of Yeti? 
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 09:21:41 AM
To do this, you will need to learn Russian and review many interviews with search participants. In addition, I personally talked with a search engine. I have a trained eye and I know how hikers behave according to the instructions. No examination of the traces was carried out to draw conclusions that they were left by a person. I am a hunter and know the tracks very well. You can deny as much as you like, but this is my final opinion. Why these are not traces of man I have already described above. And believe it or not is your business

Yes sir, there are two sides to every coin and our members deserve to see both so that they can determine for themselves what to believe.   okey1

Deny and disagree are two entirely different things.  To deny something, that 'something' has to be rooted in fact. 

I also hunt...  I own well over 50 firearms and Im a US Marine that was trained specifically to track humans.....  so what?
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 31, 2019, 09:39:46 AM
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Everyone in the group had a personal diary

We dont have any idea if any diaries are "missing".   For the sake of debating, lets say they did....  How would them being "missing" constitute evidence of Yeti?
And why did you decide that the lack of diaries is yeti proof? The absence of diaries is a sign of hiding evidence. No more no less. It is evident that you in the study of Bigfoot do not know anything and have not read anything. I do not dispute your skills as an US Marine. So what? what does this have to do with the topic? And in general, I did not come to dispute here, whether bigfoot exists or not. I saw him 3 times. I write everything from my own experience, but to share information. And to consider it or not is up to you.  If you want to know information on the topic in question, ask. But sorry, I do not answer troll questions. I already wrote about this.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 09:40:11 AM
One of my issues is that folks that subscribe to the Yeti theory tend to rely on assumptions overlapping other assumptions as the basis of "facts" in an attempt to prove cryptozoology. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology

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Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience and subculture that aims to prove the existence of entities from the folklore record, such as Bigfoot, the chupacabra, or Mokele-mbembe. Cryptozoologists refer to these entities as cryptids, a term coined by the subculture. Because it does not follow the scientific method, cryptozoology is considered a pseudoscience by the academic world: it is neither a branch of zoology nor folkloristics. It was originally founded in the 1950s by zoologists Bernard Heuvelmans and Ivan T. Sanderson.

Scholars have noted that the pseudoscience rejected mainstream approaches from an early date, and that adherents often express hostility to mainstream science. Scholars have studied cryptozoologists and their influence (including the pseudoscience's association with young Earth creationism), and have noted parallels in cryptozoology and other pseudosciences such as ghost hunting and ufology.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 09:53:40 AM
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Everyone in the group had a personal diary

We dont have any idea if any diaries are "missing".   For the sake of debating, lets say they did....  How would them being "missing" constitute evidence of Yeti?
And why did you decide that the lack of diaries is yeti proof? The absence of diaries is a sign of hiding evidence. No more no less. It is evident that you in the study of Bigfoot do not know anything and have not read anything. I do not dispute your skills as an US Marine. So what? And in general, I did not come to dispute here, but to share information. And to consider it or not is up to you.  If you want to know information on the topic in question, ask. But sorry, I do not answer troll questions. I already wrote about this.


Easy there hunter.....    no need to call the forum staff ugly names simply for challenging your assertions.

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Of course they would write about it and write a lot.  Please, do not forget that most diaries and entries are missing and not only. In my opinion, all the important evidence was hidden from the public.

YOU are the one that suggested they wrote about all their Yeti encounters and that it was covered up by the authorities.  Thats a double assumption in the purist form.


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  It is evident that you in the study of Bigfoot do not know anything and have not read anything.

Typical statement of someone that has already lost the debate?   Well then, since your argument is that anyone challenging you on cryptozoology and a mythical creature killing 9 people is simply ignorant and uneducated.....   there must be nothing left to discuss.   whist1
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 31, 2019, 10:17:42 AM
I don’t understand that you are so crucified. To whom this topic is not interesting, you can simply pass by, read the Wikipedia and know everything about this issue, as you know. You are smart here and get an education sitting on a sofa on the Internet Wikipedia, not from direct sources and and scientific materials. Well done, what can I say
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 10:19:58 AM
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To do this, you will need to learn Russian

And....... there we have it.  The old "you dont speak/read Russian, therefor my assertions carry more wight" narrative. 

My eyes are rolling so far, I can see the back of my skull. 

It is my opinion that you are not tolerant or capable of constructive criticism or debate.  You are apparently triggered by someone challenging your assertions based on double assumptions.  You assume greater intelligence over other members of the community and that what you say is undisputed law.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on August 31, 2019, 10:24:33 AM
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To do this, you will need to learn Russian

And....... there we have it.  The old "you dont speak/read Russian, therefor my assertions carry more wight" narrative. 

My eyes are rolling so far, I can see the back of my skull. 

It is my opinion that you are not tolerant or capable of constructive criticism or debate.  You are apparently triggered by someone challenging your assertions based double assumptions.  You assume greater intelligence over other members of the community and what you say is undisputed law.
You simply do not own all the information, only you have more than enough arrogance. That is all you have. Therefore, I am ending a useless dialogue with you. Good luck
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 10:26:59 AM
I already told you there must be nothing left to discuss, but yet you came back at me poking that bear with a stick.    wink1

Shit..... thought I owned all the information.  This hurts my feeling..... only had one left.   cry2
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 10:45:01 AM
Wait wait.....   you never answered my questions.   bat1

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  From the search team even mentioned, some tracks were up to 1.5m.

Where is this evidence? Where is the picture of a tape measure next to the super-human length prints?  Where in the case files does it state 1.5m strides in the tracks? 


Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 10:51:51 AM
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a stride length of a man of average height is about 0.7 - 0.8 m

More questions...

1.5m is twice the distance of 0.7 - 0.8 .....  Im guessing its not possible to observe every other human print and the one that was between the two was obscured by blowing snow?    thanky1

Or, the missing middle print was placed on the bare rock, several ridges of which had to be crossed on their way down the slope.   wink1

Thats TWO possibilities explaining an assertion of which we have not seen yet.    shock1
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on August 31, 2019, 01:14:30 PM
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And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

This is one of the DP group.   wink1

Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?

Interesting though. The Tracks go to the right in the photo and maybe they then go to the left as they get towards the far Treeline. But why is the person [ if it is a person ] on Skies going into the Trees    ?  The Trees look a bit dense there. Could it be a Dyatlov Member on Skies coming away from the Trees and then taking a photo ?
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on August 31, 2019, 01:16:38 PM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)

Very difficult to say what the figure is  ! ? And how you can tell the Brand of the Rucksac that you reckon the figure is carrying.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on August 31, 2019, 01:21:53 PM
The creature.....

This is more clear then the other famous yeti photo.  Clearly can see the break of the hood visor, lighter top vs the darker trousers, and the ruffles in the baggy trousers.


(https://i.ibb.co/YBt0dz5/S6-Yrdux-W6-HA.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/7Nk0WSb/Unknown-origin-Dyatlov-photos-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sJWXwgt)

(https://i.ibb.co/gdPFFkZ/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-16.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r3cffD2)




The PERSON seems to not have a 'large pack" on his back but possibly a smaller satchel which is exactly how they were traveling at the time the photo was taken. Their larger gear was on the sled.....   

(https://i.ibb.co/r4km87f/Dyatlov-pass-unknown-camera-film5-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pJ2xV0r)

Clearly can see the break of the Hood Visor ! ?  Blowed if I can. If I was in a Court of Law with that Photo and Me and 11 Jurors had to make sense of it, we would all say its IMPOSSIBLE to say what the figure is. Its any ones guess.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
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And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

This is one of the DP group.   wink1

Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?

Interesting though. The Tracks go to the right in the photo and maybe they then go to the left as they get towards the far Treeline. But why is the person [ if it is a person ] on Skies going into the Trees    ?  The Trees look a bit dense there. Could it be a Dyatlov Member on Skies coming away from the Trees and then taking a photo ?

The figure is in the same creek clearing as the person taking the picture.... they are further ahead and slightly around the bend which curves to the left.   The figure is NOT in the trees
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 01:31:35 PM
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Very difficult to say what the figure is  ! ? And how you can tell the Brand of the Rucksac that you reckon the figure is carrying.

Satire.... its celled comic relief.   wink1


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Clearly can see the break of the Hood Visor ! ?  Blowed if I can. If I was in a Court of Law with that Photo and Me and 11 Jurors had to make sense of it, we would all say its IMPOSSIBLE to say what the figure is. Its any ones guess.

Good thing we are not in a court of law?   However, you proved my point.   grin1
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on August 31, 2019, 01:33:53 PM
To do this, you will need to learn Russian and review many interviews with search participants. In addition, I personally talked with a search engine. I have a trained eye and I know how hikers behave according to the instructions. No examination of the traces was carried out to draw conclusions that they were left by a person. I am a hunter and know the tracks very well. You can deny as much as you like, but this is my final opinion. Why these are not traces of man I have already described above. And believe it or not is your business

Yes sir, there are two sides to every coin and our members deserve to see both so that they can determine for themselves what to believe.   okey1

Deny and disagree are two entirely different things.  To deny something, that 'something' has to be rooted in fact. 

I also hunt...  I own well over 50 firearms and Im a US Marine that was trained specifically to track humans.....  so what?

I think Tracking Creatures like the YETI, if they exist, would require a different skill set. Also we know from our time on this great Forum that its highly likely that much Evidence went MISSING for one reason or another.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 01:36:15 PM
Thats simply your opinion... its a maybe, maybe not.  How can you sate something is missing while at the same time not being able to state what that something is!?  Its assumptions created to fit a narrative that otherwise has no supporting evidence.   huh1

The assumption is that only a boogieman could have done this and since there is no evidence, another assumption is made that the evidence was withheld from the case files. Its literally a theory that relies on a double assumption as its foundation.    shock1
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on August 31, 2019, 01:39:00 PM
One of my issues is that folks that subscribe to the Yeti theory tend to rely on assumptions overlapping other assumptions as the basis of "facts" in an attempt to prove cryptozoology. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology

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Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience and subculture that aims to prove the existence of entities from the folklore record, such as Bigfoot, the chupacabra, or Mokele-mbembe. Cryptozoologists refer to these entities as cryptids, a term coined by the subculture. Because it does not follow the scientific method, cryptozoology is considered a pseudoscience by the academic world: it is neither a branch of zoology nor folkloristics. It was originally founded in the 1950s by zoologists Bernard Heuvelmans and Ivan T. Sanderson.

Scholars have noted that the pseudoscience rejected mainstream approaches from an early date, and that adherents often express hostility to mainstream science. Scholars have studied cryptozoologists and their influence (including the pseudoscience's association with young Earth creationism), and have noted parallels in cryptozoology and other pseudosciences such as ghost hunting and ufology.

I dont subscribe to any particular Theory. All I can say regarding the YETI Theory is that many people have experiences of such Creatures. And its known that the Mansi Tribe also have such experiences. Therefore its worth looking into.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 01:45:16 PM
One of my issues is that folks that subscribe to the Yeti theory tend to rely on assumptions overlapping other assumptions as the basis of "facts" in an attempt to prove cryptozoology. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology

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Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience and subculture that aims to prove the existence of entities from the folklore record, such as Bigfoot, the chupacabra, or Mokele-mbembe. Cryptozoologists refer to these entities as cryptids, a term coined by the subculture. Because it does not follow the scientific method, cryptozoology is considered a pseudoscience by the academic world: it is neither a branch of zoology nor folkloristics. It was originally founded in the 1950s by zoologists Bernard Heuvelmans and Ivan T. Sanderson.

Scholars have noted that the pseudoscience rejected mainstream approaches from an early date, and that adherents often express hostility to mainstream science. Scholars have studied cryptozoologists and their influence (including the pseudoscience's association with young Earth creationism), and have noted parallels in cryptozoology and other pseudosciences such as ghost hunting and ufology.

I dont subscribe to any particular Theory. All I can say regarding the YETI Theory is that many people have experiences of such Creatures. And its known that the Mansi Tribe also have such experiences. Therefore its worth looking into.

Of course....  Thats why we have an entire section dedicated to it.   huh1

I would however suggest you do subscribe to a theory.  You have always been pro-yeti/pro-alien/pro-crypto in your postings and have always outright dismissed anything founded on natural or otherwise unfortunate circumstances or events by stating/posting "it is very unlikely that (insert scenario here)" without giving any explanation as to how/why you have come to that conclusion. 
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 04:37:08 PM
The creature.....

This is more clear then the other famous yeti photo.  Clearly can see the break of the hood visor, lighter top vs the darker trousers, and the ruffles in the baggy trousers.


(https://i.ibb.co/YBt0dz5/S6-Yrdux-W6-HA.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

(https://i.ibb.co/7Nk0WSb/Unknown-origin-Dyatlov-photos-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sJWXwgt)

(https://i.ibb.co/gdPFFkZ/Thibeaux-Brignolle-camera-film3-16.jpg) (https://ibb.co/r3cffD2)




The PERSON seems to not have a 'large pack" on his back but possibly a smaller satchel which is exactly how they were traveling at the time the photo was taken. Their larger gear was on the sled.....   

(https://i.ibb.co/r4km87f/Dyatlov-pass-unknown-camera-film5-07.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pJ2xV0r)

Ok I can see that this image could be a member of the hikers, leaning forward and looking at the ground.  Even so it is still ambiguous and the legs in particular look disproportionate to the upper body for a hiker.  Still I doubt that this could be used as definitive evidence given the possible resemblance to a hiker.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 04:48:46 PM
It is interesting.  Do you have any additional information?

Regards

Star man

Of course, indirect evidence is sufficient. There is a lot of evidence of the Mansi people that a bigfoot lived in the upper reaches of the Lozva River. They found his skull, which is about 3 times larger than a human. In the 80s, Mansi left one of the villages because they were disturbed by a bigfoot. In addition to the death of the Dyatlov group, in the same 1959, near the Dyatlov Pass, the bodies of two Mansi hunters with numerous fractures and injuries were discovered. So who can make fractures to people in the forest? The answer is obvious. Recently there was an expedition on the pass. Found traces longer than 30 cm wide 20 cm.
http://inductor.su/dt/_IGP0848.jpg , http://inductor.su/dt/_IGP0844.jpg

Everyone in the group had a personal diary. According to the information that said Bienko, yes, Kolevatov had his own diary. Most likely the one that Askinadzi saw when Kolevatov’s body was taken out of the stream.

The figure in the picture is really identical to the figure of the Patterson-Gimlin movie. I think this figure was the reason for taking picture. When they passed this section, the last one in the group noticed that they were being watched. While setting up the camera, the figure turned around and was walking into the forest. This photo was taken when they already left village-north 2 . January 28-29 Let me remind you that ice can fall on rivers, skiers on rivers do not deviate from the track and strictly follow together each other.  This figure is a female snowman because she is wider. At frame 17, this is a male, he is slimmer. What conclusion can be made? a few days before the tragedy, Dyatlov’s group aroused interest from a bigfoot.

The skull if it could be produced would of course be significant evidence.  What happened to it?

The pictures of the traces of big foot, the footprints are interesting.  There seems to be a lot of prints put forward as evidence.  Now obviously prints can be faked, but there are many of them in different parts of the world and I doubt that they are all faked.

Having looked closely at the photo of the figure in the tree, I have to say that I am unsure as to what or who it is.  It is certainly and interesting photo but the more you look at it the more it likes both a hiker and a big foot.  The image is ambiguous and probably not usable as direct evidence.  Maybe if there were a way of identifying a scale for the image it would help differentiate between human and non human?

For me frame 17 looks more like a human.

Don't get me wrong I am not trying to dismiss the big foot argument.  From my own research of the injuries I find they are consistent with a large ape like creature.  But, what is needed is solid unambiguous proof that it was responsible for dpi.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 04:52:46 PM
To do this, you will need to learn Russian and review many interviews with search participants. In addition, I personally talked with a search engine. I have a trained eye and I know how hikers behave according to the instructions. No examination of the traces was carried out to draw conclusions that they were left by a person. I am a hunter and know the tracks very well. You can deny as much as you like, but this is my final opinion. Why these are not traces of man I have already described above. And believe it or not is your business

The fact that the investigation did not measure the prints, take numerous photographs of them, measured the stride length and try to match them 1:1 with each hiker is suspicious in itself.  Maybe they did but those files are not available?

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 04:57:04 PM
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And something else, maybe you didn’t see it, I want to show you another picture of Menk, that the Dyatlov group photographed a few days before the death. This is a female.  https://sun9-30.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b56/6bC7bHfMiK8.jpg, https://sun9-5.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b5d/qJkTA97J3Ew.jpg, https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg

This is one of the DP group.   wink1

Maybe you missed the ski tracks leading all the way up to the figure wearing a hood?

Interesting though. The Tracks go to the right in the photo and maybe they then go to the left as they get towards the far Treeline. But why is the person [ if it is a person ] on Skies going into the Trees    ?  The Trees look a bit dense there. Could it be a Dyatlov Member on Skies coming away from the Trees and then taking a photo ?

It's an interesting photo.  A bit ambiguous.  But you may be right that it someone taking a photo.  What we need on this picture is scale?  Difficult though.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on August 31, 2019, 05:00:53 PM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)

Very difficult to say what the figure is  ! ? And how you can tell the Brand of the Rucksac that you reckon the figure is carrying.

Have a look at the bottom half of the figure and compare with the top, and then look at the similar proportions of the human group members.  I agree that it is still ambiguous but the bottom half seems very wide and disporportionate to the top half.  Could it just be blurred smudged sort of image or could it be lots of fur over the legs and bottom half?

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on August 31, 2019, 05:44:14 PM
Its a person seen through brush some distance away with an old cheep black/white camera.   Its blurred and subsequently looks fat and fluffy just like the other "yeti" photo.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on September 05, 2019, 04:45:45 AM
One of my issues is that folks that subscribe to the Yeti theory tend to rely on assumptions overlapping other assumptions as the basis of "facts" in an attempt to prove cryptozoology. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptozoology

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Cryptozoology is a pseudoscience and subculture that aims to prove the existence of entities from the folklore record, such as Bigfoot, the chupacabra, or Mokele-mbembe. Cryptozoologists refer to these entities as cryptids, a term coined by the subculture. Because it does not follow the scientific method, cryptozoology is considered a pseudoscience by the academic world: it is neither a branch of zoology nor folkloristics. It was originally founded in the 1950s by zoologists Bernard Heuvelmans and Ivan T. Sanderson.

Scholars have noted that the pseudoscience rejected mainstream approaches from an early date, and that adherents often express hostility to mainstream science. Scholars have studied cryptozoologists and their influence (including the pseudoscience's association with young Earth creationism), and have noted parallels in cryptozoology and other pseudosciences such as ghost hunting and ufology.

I dont subscribe to any particular Theory. All I can say regarding the YETI Theory is that many people have experiences of such Creatures. And its known that the Mansi Tribe also have such experiences. Therefore its worth looking into.

Of course....  Thats why we have an entire section dedicated to it.   huh1

I would however suggest you do subscribe to a theory.  You have always been pro-yeti/pro-alien/pro-crypto in your postings and have always outright dismissed anything founded on natural or otherwise unfortunate circumstances or events by stating/posting "it is very unlikely that (insert scenario here)" without giving any explanation as to how/why you have come to that conclusion.

Yes I know I appear to have been pro this that or the other and I know I could have put more detail into some of My Postings but its early days in this Investigation. To say that it is in early days may get some reaction, because The Incident happened 60 years ago. But the fact is that its only in more recent times that any proper Investigations have begun. 
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: track hunter on September 13, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)

Very difficult to say what the figure is  ! ? And how you can tell the Brand of the Rucksac that you reckon the figure is carrying.

Have a look at the bottom half of the figure and compare with the top, and then look at the similar proportions of the human group members.  I agree that it is still ambiguous but the bottom half seems very wide and disporportionate to the top half.  Could it just be blurred smudged sort of image or could it be lots of fur over the legs and bottom half?

Regards

Star man
This is Menk. This is precisely the reason for the tragedy at the Dyatlov Pass. I myself live not far from that place. Every local knows about it, but never speaks to the camera. Only among their own. And the tracks at the tent I showed you. Everything is in front of the nose. Good luck
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on September 14, 2019, 04:19:36 AM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)

Very difficult to say what the figure is  ! ? And how you can tell the Brand of the Rucksac that you reckon the figure is carrying.

Have a look at the bottom half of the figure and compare with the top, and then look at the similar proportions of the human group members.  I agree that it is still ambiguous but the bottom half seems very wide and disporportionate to the top half.  Could it just be blurred smudged sort of image or could it be lots of fur over the legs and bottom half?

Regards

Star man
This is Menk. This is precisely the reason for the tragedy at the Dyatlov Pass. I myself live not far from that place. Every local knows about it, but never speaks to the camera. Only among their own. And the tracks at the tent I showed you. Everything is in front of the nose. Good luck

If it was a Menk and the evidence is there why do you think that the investigation did not put forward this and the evidence?

Putting photos aside, from my perspective there is enough in the way of evidence to make this mystery point towards a large ape like creature as a credible possibility.  In particular the pattern of events and the injuries.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Morski on September 14, 2019, 07:51:11 AM
And when did Bigfoot get a hoodie and start wearing baggy pants with folds over leggings?    At least he has a Yeti brand packpack?


(https://sun9-35.userapi.com/c851020/v851020572/196b64/S6YrduxW6HA.jpg)

Very difficult to say what the figure is  ! ? And how you can tell the Brand of the Rucksac that you reckon the figure is carrying.

Have a look at the bottom half of the figure and compare with the top, and then look at the similar proportions of the human group members.  I agree that it is still ambiguous but the bottom half seems very wide and disporportionate to the top half.  Could it just be blurred smudged sort of image or could it be lots of fur over the legs and bottom half?

Regards

Star man
This is Menk. This is precisely the reason for the tragedy at the Dyatlov Pass. I myself live not far from that place. Every local knows about it, but never speaks to the camera. Only among their own. And the tracks at the tent I showed you. Everything is in front of the nose. Good luck

So, since you live nearby, you can probably tell why everyone, who lives in the area knows about "Menk", but no one talks about "it" ? Why is this big secret?
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Loose}{Cannon on September 16, 2019, 01:40:49 PM
The Russian Gov had to hide the existence of Sasquatch because he is a KGB agent.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Morski on September 16, 2019, 11:06:05 PM
The Russian Gov had to hide the existence of Sasquatch because he is a KGB agent.

Or, he could be a double agent. Who knows...
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on September 21, 2019, 12:25:40 PM
The Russian Gov had to hide the existence of Sasquatch because he is a KGB agent.

Or like most Governments they would want to hide such revelations for obvious reasons. I mean we cant just have YETI and UFO and ALIENS popping into and out of existence can we  !  ?  It would be a serious development if the TRUTH was allowed out wouldnt it  !  ? 
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Per Inge Oestmoen on October 16, 2019, 09:36:04 AM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on November 06, 2019, 11:39:45 AM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.

Do you have proof that they do not exist  !  ?
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: gypsy on November 07, 2019, 03:30:36 AM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.

Do you have proof that they do not exist  !  ?

For whatever reason you keep posting this logical fallacy all over again. Burden of proof is in on your side if you claim it exists. That's it.

Using your logic I could say whatever bullshit and present it as the truth until somebody proves me wrong. That makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on November 07, 2019, 05:39:33 AM
For proof or at least a proposal of truth read my post in the exploring yeti theory.

The Sasquatch genome project has presented a report on genome sequencing of many samples that is an interesting read.  I can’t comment on its validity but if it isn’t taken seriously I think it would be a mistake.  They sound like credible people and the evidence they present sounds credible.  Independent peer checking by a credible source may provide exactly the evidence required.

Regards
Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Spygirl 1 on November 07, 2019, 12:18:49 PM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.

Do you have proof that they do not exist  !  ?

I can most definitely swear on my life Sasquatch exists!
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Spygirl 1 on November 07, 2019, 12:38:38 PM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.

Do you have proof that they do not exist  !  ?

For whatever reason you keep posting this logical fallacy all over again. Burden of proof is in on your side if you claim it exists. That's it.

Using your logic I could say whatever bullshit and present it as the truth until somebody proves me wrong. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I have definitive proof Sasquatch exists at least in the southwest US.

Roughly 95% of any claimed human encounters the Sasquatch quickly flee vs. being a monstrous killer.

IMO by whatever name you want to call a Yeti/Menk/ etc. I do think it may be possible presence but most likely because of curiosity vs. intended harm.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: gypsy on November 07, 2019, 05:04:34 PM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.

Do you have proof that they do not exist  !  ?

For whatever reason you keep posting this logical fallacy all over again. Burden of proof is in on your side if you claim it exists. That's it.

Using your logic I could say whatever bullshit and present it as the truth until somebody proves me wrong. That makes no sense whatsoever.

I have definitive proof Sasquatch exists at least in the southwest US.

Roughly 95% of any claimed human encounters the Sasquatch quickly flee vs. being a monstrous killer.

IMO by whatever name you want to call a Yeti/Menk/ etc. I do think it may be possible presence but most likely because of curiosity vs. intended harm.

I referred to the logical fallacy as such. One cannot just ask for a proof of non existence of an entity that is not even defined properly. Burden of proof is on the other side.

As for the yeti (or whatever name we use), I do not refute the statements of people who claim to have encountered an ape-like creature. But it still might be a weird looking ape or human, not necessarily another species. The humans vary a lot in terms of appearance, size, weight etc... we can expect the same among apes. Unless we define properly what yeti is and produce evidence of its existence, I prefer being sceptical.

The most common definition of that 'species' I came across says that yeti is a hybrid of human and an ape (don't know which particular species, never got a proper answer). It should be possible to test whether such 'combination' is even biologically possible.

I checked out this page recently, somebody posted it on this forum.

http://sasquatchgenomeproject.org/sasquatch_genome_project_007.htm

There are alleged eye witnesses of yeti including a guy who claims to be visiting them regularly. I just cannot get my head around the fact that he was not able to produce single picture or video of the yeti over all these years. I would understand that few years ago.. but come on, everybody has a camera phone today. If for nothing else, than for the sake of one's reputation those people better start to produce some evicence other than hair samples with questionable origin and blurry pictures in which everybody sees what they want to.

Anybody with proper evidence is very welcome to produce it.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on November 07, 2019, 11:43:25 PM
Gypsy.  If you have read the report on the website of the Sasquatch genome project you will see that evidence is exactly what they have provided.  They have 3 terabytes of data and three complete genome sequenced.  They have the original samples and claim that some of the samples came from Sasquatch they have on video.  They are in the main professional people who have spent half a million dollars of their own money and 5 years of their lives to gather the evidence and do the research.  They have issued their work to independent peer review and attempted to publish in several journals.  Yet nobody will touch it.  I am sure they would be prepared to submit the work and maybe even the samples for further independent confirmation.  They are concerned that governments already know of their existence but don’t want it to become public knowledge because of the economic impact of having a near human endangered species widespread throughout many iareas.  I don’t know if that is true.  they have put the evidence forward for scrutiny.  I doubt it is a hoax.  It could be scientific history - so why won’t anyone even touch it?

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on November 08, 2019, 04:48:17 AM
Most eye witness accounts of the Sasquatch confirm that they avoid humans,  however there are accounts where humans have been followed by them at a distance.  I suspect that such action would be due to protective strategies ( i.e keeping an eye on a potential threat to their families). And or out of curiosity.  There are accounts of them becoming more aggressive if people don’t leave a particular area.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on November 10, 2019, 08:13:04 AM
There is one important thing about Yetis and Bigfoots.

They do not exist, but that is not the important thing.

What is important, is that these (nonexistent) creatures never, ever kill humans.

Do you have proof that they do not exist  !  ?

For whatever reason you keep posting this logical fallacy all over again. Burden of proof is in on your side if you claim it exists. That's it.

Using your logic I could say whatever bullshit and present it as the truth until somebody proves me wrong. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Logical Fallacy  !  ?  Burdon Of Proof  !  ?  I dont actually claim that it exists. Iam looking at possibilities. And because a thing can not be seen doesnt mean that it doesnt exist. The Scientists at CERN will say that.  They are searching for things and so are we.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: sarapuk on November 10, 2019, 08:22:46 AM
Most eye witness accounts of the Sasquatch confirm that they avoid humans,  however there are accounts where humans have been followed by them at a distance.  I suspect that such action would be due to protective strategies ( i.e keeping an eye on a potential threat to their families). And or out of curiosity.  There are accounts of them becoming more aggressive if people don’t leave a particular area.

Regards

Star man

It does seem as if this 'Mystery Creature' exhibits tendencies not unlike Humans or indeed many animals, ie, It can be peaceful or violent.
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on November 10, 2019, 02:36:47 PM
Most eye witness accounts of the Sasquatch confirm that they avoid humans,  however there are accounts where humans have been followed by them at a distance.  I suspect that such action would be due to protective strategies ( i.e keeping an eye on a potential threat to their families). And or out of curiosity.  There are accounts of them becoming more aggressive if people don’t leave a particular area.

Regards

Star man

It does seem as if this 'Mystery Creature' exhibits tendencies not unlike Humans or indeed many animals, ie, It can be peaceful or violent.

If the work done by the Sasquatch gem one project is true then they say they have data that suggests that there is human DNA in their genome.  So again if it is right then they would be quite similar to humans.  Kind of like a wild human hybrid.

Regards

Star man
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: NkZ on November 11, 2019, 02:17:01 AM
wikipedia on sasquatch:
"After what The Huffington Post described as "a five-year study of purported Bigfoot (also known as Sasquatch) DNA samples",[88] but prior to peer review of the work, DNA Diagnostics, a veterinary laboratory headed by veterinarian Melba Ketchum, issued a press release on November 24, 2012, claiming that they had found proof that the Sasquatch "is a human relative that arose approximately 15,000 years ago as a hybrid cross of modern Homo sapiens with an unknown primate species." Ketchum called for this to be recognized officially, saying that "Government at all levels must recognize them as an indigenous people and immediately protect their human and Constitutional rights against those who would see in their physical and cultural differences a 'license' to hunt, trap, or kill them."[89]

Failing to find a scientific journal that would publish their results, Ketchum announced on February 13, 2013, that their research had been published in the DeNovo Journal of Science. The Huffington Post discovered that the journal's domain had been registered anonymously only nine days before the announcement. This was the only edition of DeNovo and was listed as Volume 1, Issue 1, with its only content being the Ketchum paper.[89][90][91]

Shortly after publication, the paper was analyzed and outlined by Sharon Hill of Doubtful News for the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. Hill reported on the questionable journal, mismanaged DNA testing and poor quality paper, stating that "The few experienced geneticists who viewed the paper reported a dismal opinion of it noting it made little sense."[92]

The Scientist magazine also analyzed the paper, reporting that:

Geneticists who have seen the paper are not impressed. "To state the obvious, no data or analyses are presented that in any way support the claim that their samples come from a new primate or human-primate hybrid," Leonid Kruglyak of Princeton University told the Houston Chronicle. "Instead, analyses either come back as 100 percent human, or fail in ways that suggest technical artifacts." The website for the DeNovo Journal of Science was setup [sic] on February 4, and there is no indication that Ketchum's work, the only study it has published, was peer reviewed.[93] "
These guys are not helping our hairy friend's cause!
Title: Re: Traces on the Dyatlov pass and a few words about the bigfoot version
Post by: Star man on November 11, 2019, 08:34:03 AM
It’s difficult to know whether the work done by the genome project has credibility at present.  But it would be interesting if a completely independent peer review was undertaken including the use of the samples for further analysis and confirmation.

At the end of the day if they are tying to present a false investigation and pass it off as genuine then they would be kidding themselves.

Regards
Star man