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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by GlennM on September 13, 2026, 09:23:26 PM »

Hunter, I am illiterate in Russian, but I value any insight you might share that is germane to our topic. As it seems right now, the use of leg wrappings is not indicative of military intrusion. Further, it would be odd for a conspiring soldier to lose his leggings in two locations, let alone a single place.

If surplus or home made straps of this sort were common enough, then Imcan discount Yuri Yudens remarks in that regard.

Thanks.

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by Hunter on September 13, 2026, 08:23:36 PM »

GlennM, how well do you speak Russian? I can give you a link to a website that collects reports from hiking groups. They often describe equipment, right down to diagrams. And they often used military-issue ski bindings as the most versatile.

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by Ziljoe on September 13, 2026, 02:48:07 PM »

Yuri Krivonischenko wore such things as bindings. Everyone used old military gear .

https://dyatlovpass.com/gallery-1955-Kourovskaya?lid=1

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by GlennM on September 13, 2026, 02:42:07 PM »

This also puts me in mind of the ski bindings the group used. Where I think of space age molded boots with spring loaded snap in bindings, I think what these college kids had in 1959 was wholly different. If my umderstanding is right, ski boots per se were not required. One could ski in felt boots provided they were tied on. It makes me wonder if these bindings, if not waist warmers had some utility with the type of skis the group used. Perhaps someone will do a deep dive on the skis as it pertains to the DPI.

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by Hunter on September 13, 2026, 12:06:46 PM »

Regarding the foot wraps, they've been discussed at length on other forums. Some speculate that they weren't actually foot wraps, but rather homemade waist warmers—their length supports this. Another possibility is that the foot wraps belonged to one of the hikers and were homemade. Zolotarev, for example, may have had them. Yudin, however, didn't see them because he left the group before they actually reached the uninhabited areas.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by Ziljoe on September 13, 2026, 10:16:28 AM »

Yes, but I'm not addressing the livor mortis question here. I'm talking about her position.

I think there are many things about Lyuda that suggest she is the key to the answer of this mystery.

The back‑pressure model isn’t speculation — it’s exactly what blunt chest compression does. The autopsy shows internal cardiac hemorrhage, not a penetrating injury. If a rib had pierced the heart, the report would describe a perforation or rupture of the myocardium, but it doesn’t. The foam deep in the lungs proves she was alive under sustained compression, which is consistent with hydraulic back‑pressure and capillary rupture, not instant death from a stab‑type injury. It leans towards traumatic asphyxiation. It's why I'm pointing at the autopsies, the mass of snow and the hard ground surface. The autopsies match the post injury environment.

It's difficult for me to understand the medical terminology but the autopsies don't imply anything else outside of what we find in the ravine. ?

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by GlennM on September 13, 2026, 07:47:34 AM »

I have previously thought Lyuda may have slid down or been helped up to her final pose. Her position suggests that she was exhausted. Was it more comfortable to lie like this, head up as opposed to laying on the branch mat and stretching out?  I think sleep either way is a death sentence, so kneeling would be preferable to lying. No doubt  her previous  exertions starting with the march to the Feb 1 camp, making camp, retreating from it and all the activity in the woods were exhausting. The effort and crippling cold sapped her strength. I can not rule out shock if she witnessed the demise of the Yuris.

A snow cave collapse explains much, simply and efficiently.  Alternately, if what happened to the Yuris also affected Lyuda at the same time and place could it be that she was injured at the cedar and moved to the ravine?  In this case, she was sheltered from wind, elevated, made comfortable and nursed until she expired.  Unlike the guys, she was not undressed, but perhaps packed in snow right and left in order to preserve her dignity. Later the weather covered her over. On the other hand if she was caught in a cornice collapse, she would be buried. Salvaging her garments  may not have been possible.

I think about an imaginary hiker being found iburied jn snow. If an investigation tries to uncover the cause of death based on the final pose and the fact that others dug down to find him, it completely ignores the the dynamics of the avalanche that put him there if those traces were smoothed out over time. The cause of death may be more readily determined than the circumstance of death.

It would seem that Lyura was crushed, in place, at the mouth of a tunnel leading to a branch mat in a deep ravine. She could have been moved.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by amashilu on September 13, 2026, 03:43:05 AM »

Lynda is in the ravine and suffers from the same crush injuries that the autopsy implies , I would not say we have to say the scenario can not work because of the way she is lying . It may just not be obvious. The scenario is still plausible.

It is assumed by some that the bodies were moved because of the blood pooling not reflecting the lay of the bodies. However , all is not straight forward in the chemical process of how the blood pooling occurs.

When the Dyatlov hikers died, the temperatures were far below freezing. Their bodies probably froze before rigor mortis and livor mortis (blood pooling) could fully develop. Freezing interrupts both processes — it stops the chemical rigor cascade and prevents normal blood settling.

Weeks later, when the bodies were recovered, they were still frozen. To perform an autopsy and remove clothing, the mortuary staff had to thaw the bodies to some degree.  You cannot autopsy a rock‑hard frozen corpse.

What likely occurred is thawing allowed delayed rigor mortis to activate and allowed some blood to become fluid again, producing partial, patchy, inconsistent hypostasis. This is exactly what forensic pathology expects in previously frozen bodies: lividity becomes faint, unreliable, and easily misinterpreted.

The autopsy doctors did not report any contradiction between lividity and posture. They saw normal cold‑weather hypostasis. The “blood pooling problem”

 In normal conditions, livor mortis begins first and rigor mortis begins later. But in Dyatlov, both processes were interrupted by freezing. The bodies froze before lividity or rigor could develop. When thawed for autopsy, the blood became liquid again and pooled according to the table position, and rigor mortis finally activated and resolved.

Yes, but I'm not addressing the livor mortis question here. I'm talking about her position.

I think there are many things about Lyuda that suggest she is the key to the answer of this mystery.

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General Discussion / Re: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries

« Last post by amashilu on September 13, 2026, 03:38:31 AM »

Amashilu, thag is exactly what I think. She was in respiratory distress and she was helped up on the ledge and made comfortable. My guess is the water was not flowing nore than a trickle, if that. In my imagining IRZ propped her up before they left for the tent.

Do you support the snow collapse theory then? I am trying to put all these pieces together. Let's say you are right, the other hikers found Lyuda in the ravine in respiratory distress (from what cause?) and they repositioned her. She died only 10+/- minutes later in this position. The autopsy shows that she died from one of the broken ribs piercing her heart. Then later, the snow collapse happened, compressing and crushing her ribs? But she was already dead, right? and her ribs were already broken.

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General Discussion / Re: A quick take on Yuri Yuden's interview

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on September 13, 2026, 01:40:03 AM »

Yuri Yudin had left the team a few days before the incident occurred. He could not know anything valuable about DPI and how it was investigated.

I think it makes sense to clarify a little bit what was behind the investigation that was run by Tempalov and Ivanov in 1959. And here it is very important to understand that neither Tempalov nor Ivanov had ever been leading investigators (owners) of the case.

The only case related to DPI was initiated by the special prosecutor’s office responsible for overseeing the facility that conducted some technology tests, and then transferred to the Prosecutor’s Office of the USSR. The basis for initiating the case was an accident that occurred during the tests. The case was against designers or production personnel, who were to be held accountable for the accident. The deceased tourists had nothing to do with the case at the beginning. Perhaps, if it weren’t for the technology accident, no case would have been initiated at all. And when it turned out that the failed test also resulted in the deaths of 9 civilians, this episode had to be included in the charges against the individuals involved in the case. That is why the Prosecutor’s Office of the USSR tasked the Prosecutor’s Office of the Sverdlovsk Region with gathering materials on this episode.

And then everything went in full compliance with the requirements of the Criminal Procedure Code of the RSFSR, except for the fact that the case being investigated was classified as secret. Therefore, not all those who carried out investigative assignments for the USSR Prosecutor’s Office knew who they were working for or what case was being investigated. And measures were taken to conceal the purpose and direction of the investigation.

What had evidentiary value for the case was sent to Moscow. But in such complex case, a lot of unnecessary junk documents inevitably had to appear — junk that could not be allowed to clutter the case being investigated by the USSR Prosecutor’s Office. Therefore, such junk had to be cut off and left in Sverdlovsk. The only possible and reasonable way to do this was to create a separate case files for it. That’s where the useless paper waste was dumped. The Moscow investigation group, apparently, requested these case files, taking from them whatever might be useful for their real case files. After that, Moscow returned all the scraps to Sverdlovsk to be deposited in the archive of the Sverdlovsk Regional Prosecutor’s Office, Moscow had no use for that junk.

The case that the USSR Prosecutor’s Office had investigated was either terminated or sent to one of the special courts and ended with a court verdict. In the first case, it is stored in the closed archive of the USSR Prosecutor’s Office; in the second case, in the archive of one of the former special courts.