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General Discussion / Re: Did they feel the tent was worth saving?

« Last post by GlennM on November 11, 2024, 10:34:03 AM »

Osi, I like your analysis and it agrees with my point of view. Cutting the tent so severely in order to escape assumes they had sufficient material to actually mend it. Since I believe Igor and others were stuffing holes with a jacket etc., before the calamity, their decision to savage the tent was certainly extreme.

I thought that the expedition would end when the tent was damaged, but others insist this would not be the case. It would be inconvenient, but not crippling. The unknown compelling force must certainly have been the weather.

Your post made more sense to me than another response I read. Appreciated.

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General Discussion / Re: Did they feel the tent was worth saving?

« Last post by Osi on November 11, 2024, 03:30:18 AM »

In the conditions of fear, panic, uncertainty (you are suddenly covered in a closed area and you cannot understand what is happening) and darkness, it seems understandable that they had to cut the tent to get out of the tent that collapsed because of the sign.

The first task is to go down to the tree line and light a fire, and return in the daylight to fix the collapsed and cut tent.

The clothes seem sufficient to spend a night by the fire in the forest. (Sufficient in emergency exit conditions) We witness the sale of clothes in the forest and some of them are naked. This situation indicates that they have seen each other die.

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General Discussion / Re: Did they feel the tent was worth saving?

« Last post by GlennM on November 10, 2024, 04:11:49 PM »

Doesn't help. Try again, please.

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General Discussion / Re: Did they feel the tent was worth saving?

« Last post by Axelrod on November 10, 2024, 12:24:41 PM »

The standard canon for DPI supposes ************* So here is where I am confused. ***** Any ideas?

It is way for any canons.... not especially standard.

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General Discussion / Did they feel the tent was worth saving?

« Last post by GlennM on November 10, 2024, 12:16:31 PM »

Another investigator teaches me that the Blinov expedition experienced a burned tent. They did not abort their trek, but rather rendered the tent into sheets which were used individually to make snow shelters for the rest of their hike.

The standard canon for DPI supposes the hikers were trapped in the tent in a slab slide and cut their way out.  They left the area and the worst happened. So here is where I am confused. On the one hand, if the tent was damaged beyond repair, assuming  they had cutting knives in hand, why not cut it up for personal protection?  On the other hand, if they thought they could effect a repair on such a badly ripped tent, then why risk life and limb getting so far from it with so little personal protection? Any ideas?

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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Re: Another look at the flying orbs

« Last post by amashilu on November 09, 2024, 04:52:56 PM »

You will remember Lev Ivanov, after studying the DPI his entire life, finally concluded that it was an aerial phenomenon that killed the hikers. He said "UFO" but without aliens, simply an unidentified flying object.

Kuersten tells us that plasma is considered the 4th state of matter (after liquid, solid, and gas), and that it is highly charged and can do amazing and unstable things. He says that a plasma ball floating over Mt. Otorten, as seen by hiking groups in other locations in the Urals that night, exploded, producing a blast wave and causing injuries and burns. He goes on to give many examples of plasma balls throughout history in many different places and times. The Mansi were quite familiar with these plasma balls, particularly the type where there is a main big ball, which then spawns a bunch of smaller ones, which they called "lanterns." He proposes that one of these exploded near the tent, causing that big flat circle of snow that had melted and then refrozen (which others have suggested was where helicopters landed). He also proposes that one of the smaller balls got inside the tent and exploded on the top of the now-broken ski pole that has puzzled people for so long; it also shattered the lens of the camera that was found in the tent, set up on a tripod. This explosion near -- or inside of -- the tent was what caused the hikers to leave the tent.

He also says that at least 4 of the hikers and possibly 5 were taking pictures of the plasma event, which was so extraordinary that Zolotaryev took his camera with him when they left the tent. He does present these photos in the book, some of which I had not seen before.

Anyway, it's pretty interesting stuff.

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Lightning strike / Ball lightning / Another look at the flying orbs

« Last post by amashilu on November 09, 2024, 04:15:04 PM »

Just finished reading a 2021 publication by Henning Kuersten, in which he looks again at those flying orbs that were reported around Mt. Otorten the night of Feb. 1-2, 1959. The book is quite long and detailed and I found what he had to say very interesting. I wonder if anyone else has read it?

https://www.amazon.com/Dyatlov-Pass-Mystery-Cold-Case-ebook/dp/B08XC3LCFJ?ref_=ast_author_mpb

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General Discussion / Re: Death of Gantz

« Last post by Ziljoe on November 08, 2024, 04:46:04 AM »

Sorryy my choice of words may be inadequate. To say, screamed with an inhuman voice is to entice the reader for drama( I know this is not you )  . Slobodins crack is just that, Thibaults is a depressed fracture .  Is it a fact that someone gave a scream , a scream in a inhumane voice , over skull injuries or any other kind of injuries for that matter when doing an autopsy?. So the skull is not squashed, there are no bullet holes or axes sticking out of the skulls or bodies . It is an autopsy, they don't know the full story of the bodies , why scream? 

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General Discussion / Re: Death of Gantz

« Last post by Axelrod on November 08, 2024, 02:34:12 AM »

There is no need to say "screamed in an inhuman voice when he saw Slobodin's or Thibault's skull with a crack".

It is not a thing when doing an autopsy you report the findings . It is artistic licence. The crack in the skull is not very large

Sheet 353: On the whole, the length of the crack in the area of the base of the skull is 17 cm.

What then you mean as "very large"?

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General Discussion / Re: Death of Gantz

« Last post by GlennM on November 07, 2024, 06:56:34 PM »

Yes, over here we call that pulp fiction.