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General Discussion / Re: Presence of water in the foothills of Kholat

« Last post by GlennM on May 26, 2025, 07:31:02 PM »

Arjan, the rescue party who descended to the woods to help their stricken friends had no need to knife open the tent to start their descent.

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by GlennM on May 26, 2025, 07:27:24 PM »

I loke the thinking, but we need clarification. One arguement is they left the torn tent with supplies which in turn precipitated injuries. The forensic reports imdicate that while some small items like soap and antibiotic pills were found in pockets, there does not seem to be an imdication of what was brought down from the tent, nor what became of it.

I favor natural causes. I thought they would have cut the tent for ponchos before abandoning it, but if they did,  then the stores they brought with them, including their skis could be scattered to Siberia by the winds.

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General Discussion / Re: Presence of water in the foothills of Kholat

« Last post by Arjan on May 26, 2025, 02:36:19 AM »

Many years ago, I have investigated the period of the moon during the fatal night. If I remember well, it had been half moon.
If my memory is correct, with a clear sky - and as a consequence a very cold night - the visibility had been rather well during the fatal night.

It makes fully sense if three group members had looked for running water in the ravine around 15:30 - 16:00 pm on the afternoon before the fatal night.

The journalist collective Aleksej Rakatin has shown in their book that the sun had descended at the tentsite behind the mountains at around 15 pm at the end of January.
If this is correct, then it had started to be cold in case the sky had been clear.

While preparing the tentsite the group may well have followed its normal procedure:
5 - 6 group members setting up the tent and preparing the tent for the night
3 - 4 group members gathering firewood and fetching running water.

If so, the 3 - 4 group members had descended to the ravine during daylight in the second half of the afternoon.

In my theory,
- these 3 - 4 group members had not returned to the tentsite due to their severe - fatal wounds obtain by an external source while fetching running water in the ravine.
- 4 group members had descended to the ravine at dusk - hint: flashlight found halfway switched on serving as beacon to find the way back halfway to the tentsite in dark - to look after the fate of the 3 - 4 group members in the ravine
- 2 group members had spent the night in the tent - hint: flashlight on the tent to serve as second guidance to find the tent for returning group members - under full insulation of many blankets while keeping eachother warm. Both have descended the next morning and have placed the other group members in postures as found by the seach parties. Of both, Rustem had fallen on the icy surface and cracked his skull: he had suddenly succumbed due to brain failure. Zinaida had guarded him until it had been obvious that he had livy spots as well. Then she had progressed so far in hypothermia that she had only been able to return some hunderd meters home - the tent in her case - until she lost consciousness for the last time.

At once many details as found by both search parties start to make sense. 

 

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General Discussion / Re: Presence of water in the foothills of Kholat

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 25, 2025, 11:08:46 PM »

ITS PITCH BLACK - Maybe they can see their hands in front of their face. Probably be able to see the contours of the mountains because of the snow I dont know. Was there a moon at the time, anyone care to find out and maybe we will know what they could see.

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 25, 2025, 10:45:17 PM »

I think we are all reading to much into the why and wherefores regarding this incident.
I have been thinking about the incident and it goes like this.
The group apart from 2 others Dubinina and Dyatlov were Grade 3 hikers. So apart from maybe geological tasks, they were there to accomplish . (their Grade3. Now I know they were all accomplished hikers but somewhere along the track they fell into a trap.
It is generally assumed they fled in panic at the time, but these footprints suggest an orderly approach.
So maybe the tent just tore open from its many repairs or was just ready for take off ( I remember in my youth my father had made a tent for 8 people around the same year maybe 58 and we went camping on a beach and at the end off the school holidays in 1959 with sunshine all the way a ferocious storm was brewing, the old man took us to someone holidaying in a caravan for safety, we were 3kids 7-8-12. Anyhow along came the storm and away went the tent spinning on its side going out to sea, never saw it again.)
So the tent splits open from the weather, but instead of staying with the tent they decide to go down to the treeline for cover as in the orderly footsteps that are seen. Unfortunately with the goods they were trying to take with them there were many accidents resulting in a few cracked ribs a head fracture and many cuts and bruises on the hands from the snow-on-slate situation until they reached the treeline, battered and bruised Dyatlov gives some orders. But wait one of the group is not there so 3 of the group including Dylatov head back for the tent not realizing the missing person has circumvented them and arrived back with the others who are making a fire, the 3 succumb to the cold.Back at the tree a few of them climb to see if they can see the 3 ,to no avail. The fire has gone out due to a lack of fuel. 2 stay with the cedar whilst the remaining 4 go off in search of fuel but end up in a creek which adds to their demise. The 2 at the cedar succumb to the cold.-------- conclusion pitch black,bad luck and freezing temperature with an unusualy fierce wind.---- No trees No aliens No wild animals No military experiments etc etc etc.

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by GlennM on May 24, 2025, 12:44:28 PM »

Many of these peripheral discussions are an attempt to extrapolate backwards in time to discern original causes. They use an " if-then- else" logic. This means that there is always an alternative explanation to an " if-then" explanation, that being the " else"  possibility.

Find things that can not have an " else" condition and you move the needle towards the truth. Here is one. They all died.

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by Marc on May 24, 2025, 12:05:36 PM »

Yes, we all assume and construct theories. This forum is full of them. In my opinion, to construct what happened in every little detail, from every angle, to fit every piece of evidence into a mosaic - it's just writing a movie script, nothing more.
Just one small piece of evidence can be interpreted differently, one wrong conclusion leads to a bunch of new wrong conclusions, until everything is one big fantasy that has nothing to do with what actually happened. That's why I prefer to look at the Dyatlov Pass incident from a bird's eye view.

If the simple question would ever be clarify - was it murder or not - it would personally give me peace of mind. A more detailed explanation would be an unattainable goal anyway after all these decades.

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by OLD JEDI 72 on May 24, 2025, 09:18:49 AM »

The scene in the ravine corresponds to the fall, see Lyuda's outstretched arms, Tibo's bent leg. And if someone threw them there, they wouldn't be lying next to each other with their heads in one straight line. And if there was a snow collapse, they would suffocate. This foursome worked together until the end and died last. The shod ones helped the barefoot ones. Two pairs, two broken ribs.

That's another assumption, if they were thrown in there they didn't necessarily have to be dead first but maybe crawled around and attempted to get upright as in Lydia's case or orientated. There are no definitives, only theories.

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General Discussion / Re: The notenook

« Last post by SURI on May 24, 2025, 12:42:07 AM »

The scene in the ravine corresponds to the fall, see Lyuda's outstretched arms, Tibo's bent leg. And if someone threw them there, they wouldn't be lying next to each other with their heads in one straight line. And if there was a snow collapse, they would suffocate. This foursome worked together until the end and died last. The shod ones helped the barefoot ones. Two pairs, two broken ribs.

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Publications / Media / Re: Whose body is this?

« Last post by ahabmyth on May 23, 2025, 11:56:59 PM »

What can you say, looks like "he" is on his own so it does narrow it down to the two guys who we assume may have gone back towards the tent,