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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...
« Last post by Ziljoe on November 04, 2024, 03:13:31 PM »Flight 19 got lost , no mystery here .
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General Discussion / Re: The book left at the 41st forest site
« Last post by Ziljoe on November 04, 2024, 03:12:03 PM »There is zero connection to the picture by similar expert Nikitin with Zolotaryov's skull on exhumation. We are definitely in the land of fantasies.
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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...
« Last post by GlennM on November 04, 2024, 01:28:55 PM »In the USA, it is referred to as Flight 19. Good point Axelrod.
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General Discussion / The book left at the 41st forest site
« Last post by Axelrod on November 04, 2024, 11:52:19 AM »The first interrogation protocols talk about some book
that the Dyatlov group left in the 41th settlement for hospitality (gift to Venedictov).
The book's title is not given in protocol.
Now, it would seem, there is no chance to determine what kind of book it was, but there is one clue.
The Dyatlov group's diary is called "In the Land of Mysterious Signs" (В стране таинственных знаков) in Grigoriev's notes.
Perhaps the diary's title was inspired by the title of the book left behind.
I have not found a book with exactly that title, but I have this title spinning around in my head.
Yes, indeed, a book with a similar title was published before 1959.
Vladimir Bragin "In the Land of Dense Grasses" (1948) - "В стране дремучих трав".
Perhaps this is that book (it was reprinted many times).
By the way, the book's picture is similar to photo of expert Nikitin with Zolotaryov's skull on exhumation.
Everything that is random is not random.
What will be another ideas?
that the Dyatlov group left in the 41th settlement for hospitality (gift to Venedictov).
The book's title is not given in protocol.
Now, it would seem, there is no chance to determine what kind of book it was, but there is one clue.
The Dyatlov group's diary is called "In the Land of Mysterious Signs" (В стране таинственных знаков) in Grigoriev's notes.
Perhaps the diary's title was inspired by the title of the book left behind.
I have not found a book with exactly that title, but I have this title spinning around in my head.
Yes, indeed, a book with a similar title was published before 1959.
Vladimir Bragin "In the Land of Dense Grasses" (1948) - "В стране дремучих трав".
Perhaps this is that book (it was reprinted many times).
By the way, the book's picture is similar to photo of expert Nikitin with Zolotaryov's skull on exhumation.
Everything that is random is not random.
What will be another ideas?
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General Discussion / Re: Tent dimensions
« Last post by Osi on November 04, 2024, 11:00:26 AM »On a deserted and treeless slope; How would you feel if an apple hit your tent in the dark? This situation is more than a stress that can be overcome with the control of a few people. It results in a mass exodus to understand the situation. The group encountered more. A force equivalent to hundreds of crates of apples was dragged onto their tent, and in the midst of their joyous gathering, the icy tent collapsed. The tent was not buried under the snow. A pole broke. They were stunned, as if they had been punched by a champion boxer. If they needed to be taken out of the tent (kgb, mansi), they would go out by opening the buttons. A flashlight above the tent and on the path was unforgettable. The young people would definitely resist there and would not enter the forest. Instead of orderly traces, there would be traces of chaos. I watched hundreds of videos about Kholat visits. Everyone looks at the forest from the tent and spends time on the monumental rock. Considering the snow movement, which is one of the most important versions of this tragedy, cameras are never turned towards the Kholat summit. I asked many tourists vacationing in Turkey about this tragedy. Many people think this is due to the government and see this as a good reason not to look at the top.
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General Discussion / Re: Tent dimensions
« Last post by Arjan on November 04, 2024, 10:56:37 AM »Yesterday I have omitted to add a 5th detail that may well be caused by a blast wave:
5. a. The post mortem report of Zinaida states: 'There is a very pronounced venous system on the legs and feet.' A photo of Zinaida in bikini - standing in cold water - before the hike, doesn't show any sign of pronounced venous system on her legs!
5. b. The photos of Yuri Dor in the mortuary a very pronounced venous system on his underarms.
'The intensity of the pressure changes from the blast can cause injury to the blood vessels'. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury
Personally I take into account that the high speed blast wave had been caused by:
1. a meteor of limited size blasting high in the sky
2. a very powerfull man made high speed explosive that had blasted high in the air.
Explosives/meteors blasting high in the sky cause blast waves that are 40 % reflected by the ground. In case Lyudmila and Semyon had been standing in the ravine, the shape of the ravine had acted as a concave lense for the pressure wave, causing an increase of the original pressure of around 100 %. This may well be the cause that only Lyudmila and Semyon had been found with broken ribcages.
See further: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_wave
Remark: Aerodynamics is a branche of fluid dynamics. One of the classic titles about aerodynamics of wings etc. is: 'Fluid Dynamic Drag'
5. a. The post mortem report of Zinaida states: 'There is a very pronounced venous system on the legs and feet.' A photo of Zinaida in bikini - standing in cold water - before the hike, doesn't show any sign of pronounced venous system on her legs!
5. b. The photos of Yuri Dor in the mortuary a very pronounced venous system on his underarms.
'The intensity of the pressure changes from the blast can cause injury to the blood vessels'. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_injury
Personally I take into account that the high speed blast wave had been caused by:
1. a meteor of limited size blasting high in the sky
2. a very powerfull man made high speed explosive that had blasted high in the air.
Explosives/meteors blasting high in the sky cause blast waves that are 40 % reflected by the ground. In case Lyudmila and Semyon had been standing in the ravine, the shape of the ravine had acted as a concave lense for the pressure wave, causing an increase of the original pressure of around 100 %. This may well be the cause that only Lyudmila and Semyon had been found with broken ribcages.
See further: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blast_wave
Remark: Aerodynamics is a branche of fluid dynamics. One of the classic titles about aerodynamics of wings etc. is: 'Fluid Dynamic Drag'
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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...
« Last post by Axelrod on November 04, 2024, 09:40:03 AM »In the history of the Bermuda Triangle there is such an event as the disappearance of the 19th link (did I write it correctly?).
We are talking about a squadron of military aircraft in the middle of the last century, which left from a military base
on a training flight and did not return. The reason for the mass inadequacy of people is not explained. But thanks to this event, everything happened. For some reason, this event struck the minds of more people than the disappearance of ships in that region for decades.
The Dyatlov group is probably the same 19th link.
We are talking about a squadron of military aircraft in the middle of the last century, which left from a military base
on a training flight and did not return. The reason for the mass inadequacy of people is not explained. But thanks to this event, everything happened. For some reason, this event struck the minds of more people than the disappearance of ships in that region for decades.
The Dyatlov group is probably the same 19th link.
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General Discussion / Re: Exact distance between tent and cedar
« Last post by Axelrod on November 04, 2024, 09:29:07 AM »I don't understand why you start asking irrelevant questions in this thread.
I won't answer them in any way. The answers to your questions will be a manifestation of fantasy, and I am asking a precise question about distance.
I wanted to raise the question if the distance between the tent and the cedar was determined to be 1500 meters by measuring it with a rope on the ground. But if you determine the distance by geolocation (between two verticals), then this distance will be less, 1450 meters. Accordingly, using a distance of 1500 meters will move the supposed location 50 meters toward the top of the mountain.
I won't answer them in any way. The answers to your questions will be a manifestation of fantasy, and I am asking a precise question about distance.
I wanted to raise the question if the distance between the tent and the cedar was determined to be 1500 meters by measuring it with a rope on the ground. But if you determine the distance by geolocation (between two verticals), then this distance will be less, 1450 meters. Accordingly, using a distance of 1500 meters will move the supposed location 50 meters toward the top of the mountain.
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General Discussion / Re: The Biggest Mystery Of All...
« Last post by GlennM on November 04, 2024, 06:51:28 AM »MDGross favors the hikers being driven from their tent by KGB. Anna argues they were lured out by malefactors under false pretenses. Why? It seems that these things would happen if the tourists had contraband such as State secrets, or more mundanely, something of theirs which would sustain their malefactor in achieving an escape.
I find not a single instance in the case files where these ideas get additional support. Nor do I see blatant coverup and suppression.
Another astute forum member supposes that the DPI incident which is but one of any number of wintertime hiking tragedies and become mythologizes and inflated with drama to rival the Bermuda Triangle. The area is now a tourist destination.
I find not a single instance in the case files where these ideas get additional support. Nor do I see blatant coverup and suppression.
Another astute forum member supposes that the DPI incident which is but one of any number of wintertime hiking tragedies and become mythologizes and inflated with drama to rival the Bermuda Triangle. The area is now a tourist destination.
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General Discussion / Re: Exact distance between tent and cedar
« Last post by GlennM on November 04, 2024, 06:30:24 AM »Axelrod, I understand your post to mean that travelling the distance from tent to tree including the incline is not too strenuous in cooler temperatures. This is based on your personal experiment. Since it is not too strenuous, it is achievable going in either direction, according to your findings.
Igor, Rustem and Zina all fell at different locations. All were oriented toward the tent. All were climbing what would be the same path they took down when they left the tent.
Their bodies had no bullet holes. There were no whip marks. There were no wrist bindings. It appears they were free to climb, each at their own pace. It is obvious that they were climbing toward the tent, not the labaz.
What do you think they were going to get, once they returned to the tent? Since the tent was torn, could they have started a warming fire for themselves? Since Zina was arguably the last to fall, what could she alone do if she regained the tent alone?
Igor, Rustem and Zina all fell at different locations. All were oriented toward the tent. All were climbing what would be the same path they took down when they left the tent.
Their bodies had no bullet holes. There were no whip marks. There were no wrist bindings. It appears they were free to climb, each at their own pace. It is obvious that they were climbing toward the tent, not the labaz.
What do you think they were going to get, once they returned to the tent? Since the tent was torn, could they have started a warming fire for themselves? Since Zina was arguably the last to fall, what could she alone do if she regained the tent alone?