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General Discussion / Nothing goes there

« Last post by GlennM on May 23, 2026, 08:13:08 PM »

I went there...on Google Earth. What I saw were well defined dirt roads for vehicles. I saw a number of vehicles at what I assumed is Boot Rock. What I did not see were foot trails, nor animal trails. When the Mansi said," nothing goes there", I can believe it. The closest thing to a trail are streams and tributaries of streams.

So, 60 years ago there were probably far less etched up roads. Certainly in winter, nothing visible. Boot rock was just a rock, much like any other. The ground is bare of vegetation and carpeted with what looks like loose shale. It would be a place to make a quicker crossing to Otorten along the ridge route.

Looking at the forest below, I am again struck by the absence of trails. The woods are thick, probable never lumbered out. From the cedar to Otorten, as the crow flies, there is a lot of woodsy up and down terrain, again with no trails. It would be a poor, poor place to try to hike through.

I can appreciate Dyatlov Pass getting a ceremonial name, even it was never used. It would just be too much trouble to bushwhack through all those trees when hikers could go unimpeded by going higher and taking the ridge route.

1079 and Otorten are a long way from anywhere. The idea of Soviets wasting time an energy trying to learn from rocket tests by going there to analyze debris is not what I would expect from an organized military.

The DP9 chose a rare place to do a long hike and would certainly deserve the Grade 3 rating. Too bad about the weather.

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Zinaida Kolmogorova / Re: some rare zina pictures|несколько редких фотографий зины

« Last post by SURI on May 23, 2026, 02:34:48 PM »

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by Teddy on May 22, 2026, 07:34:42 AM »

I admire Teddy and her group for going to the place and gathering facts. I know the area is not pristine. I know that each member of her expedition has an idea of what happened. They spent their money to prove themselves right.

EXPEDITION 2006

If you read our objectives, I am staying by the Cedar, but everyone else will go further towards Otorten in search of rocket debris and craters. We are not just looking for something to substantiate a theory. We literally join forces to find the truth, or what's left of it. No one is discarding things that disprove their theory. We are happy to find ANYTHING.

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by GlennM on May 22, 2026, 06:51:33 AM »

What I am seeing is more and more distractions developing from the main mystery. Only the diaries give first hand information as to the " why" of it all. They prove insufficient. Only the finders and the medical examiners can attest to the " where and how" of it all. They are imprecise as to location and material evidence. Medical examiners, while objective in examination are speculative in interpretation. Nurse Solter's testimony is suspect. Every thing else is opinion, filtered by individual perception.

The heart of the mystery for me, at least, is why those people did things that I would not do in the same circumstance. That makes me think I do not have all the facts. I am not alone. In the absence of facts, we seek and often accept second, third and fourth hand opinions.  They may be logical, but logic is not truth. They may be valid, but validity is not reliability. This is both a trap and a comfort. The trap is believing what you choose to believe. The comfort is exactly the same.

I admire Teddy and her group for going to the place and gathering facts. I know the area is not pristine. I know that each member of her expedition has an idea of what happened. They spent their money to prove themselves right.

The DPI is about self discovery more than historical revelations. But, the latter drives the former.

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on May 22, 2026, 01:23:46 AM »

Teddy, thank you much for adding these two questions to the list and getting quick replies from Askinadzi!

Yes, majority of forum members would scream "Hura-a-a! No rockets!". But I believe this is not the end of the story. Askinadzi says his part as a witness, who cannot know everything. We will see what will be at the end, and I hope it will not take many years to wait.

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by Teddy on May 21, 2026, 10:18:45 PM »

No one fired anything. There was no panic. This is recounted in 1999, 40 years after the events.
In Taina.li where I took this from they don't even discuss it. Askinadzi was surprised that I am asking about it - isn't it obvious, he said, the guy is making stuff up.
On the two questions, did Askinadzi see fireballs, the answer is - no, did Kuzminov talk about firing his gun, the answer is - no, because Nikolay didn't have a gun.

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Meteor / Re: Meteor today

« Last post by GlennM on May 21, 2026, 09:33:25 PM »

I believe nobody outruns meteors. A stone that one believes to be an impact meteorite may be something else.
I think meteors and missiles  do not fly the same way.
Exploded bombs leave fragments. Nowhere is there evidence of the hikers having schrapnel wounds. If it was a blast, I find it too selective regarding who got hurt.
I believe the ravine 4 were crushed down, not blown back. There were found under snow, they were not scattered in a blast and then covered up.
Reports of lights in the sky or ground attributed to UFO's are opinions and very much a sign of the times. Some people presume that alien space ships need parking lights or cow levitating lighted vacuums. The lights coincidentally glow in the spectrum which we see. That's convenient. Ours is an exceedingly narrow visual spectrum in the entire energy spectrum.
I am suggesting the zeitgeist of the 50's and 60's was to attribute lights in the sky to the worst possible explanation. That, I feel was not LGM, it was and is the USA, the only nation to use an atomic bomb...twice! Then, things like lights in the sky go to the movies, become a fad and take on a life of their own. That is true to this day.
For any nation, I think it more likely for missiles to be tested over water. I find it wrong to believe that any responsible government would condone a test area over land that is also unrestricted space. Conspiracy believers would argue the point. I agree that flights over land can not be avoided, but think it improbable this has any bearing on the DPI.The military was involved and they were not obfuscating the search and recovery efforts. No KGB were sent to monitor the recovery efforts.
I am suggesting that lights in the sky are by definition harder to describe, probably impossible to control, more diffucult to understand and far, far less reliable in determining whether they are coming, going or neither. As a case in point, I challenge any reader to immediately compare the size of the rising moon onmthe horizon and the moon high in the sky. I invite anyone to test it using their thumb at arm's length.
I am suggesting that college graduates and a war veteran are not going to shred their tent, walk a mile and then die because of lights in the sky. They would do this and try to survive a slab slide in a gale.
I am predicting that there will be push back on every single point because there are those who know more than I and eagerly want to share their insights.

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General Discussion / Re: Connection between broken ribs and missing eyes

« Last post by GlennM on May 21, 2026, 07:16:50 PM »

Not to mention that you can not collect payment for damages from Nature.

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by GlennM on May 21, 2026, 07:06:27 PM »

What I get out of this is on the one hand a group of army type people come out and see lights in the sky and then go back to sleep.Some guy with a gun gets to take a shot at it. Nothing comes from the effort. On the other hand nine hikers see the light, knife their tent to ribbons, stroll a mile in the snow and one by one die.

If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership.  Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.

We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.

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General Discussion / Re: 100 questions to Askinadzi

« Last post by Senior Maldonado on May 21, 2026, 02:32:28 AM »

The answers are expected ones. If Askinadzi had known anything about fireballs and frightened soldiers, he would have told that already.

Askinadzi tends to map Kuzminov's story about fireball to March 31, when Sogrin, Potapov, and Avenburg saw a fireball's flight. I doubt very much that Kuzminov talks about that event. From his letter it is clear that he was not at the Pass with the 1st shift of Ivdellag soldiers. He refers to another soldier, Borey, when he talks about March events, which means he did not witness those events -- arrived to the Pass later.

The point is that helicopter's pilot Potyazhenko and his wife, who worked as a radio operator in Ivdel airport at that time, both separate two episodes with fireballs. They say that the episode described by Kuzminov occured later than Sogrin's episode, probably on 23rd or 24th of April. Three people talking about a fireball appearance later than March is enough to take it seriously.