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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by amashilu on October 23, 2026, 06:37:56 AM »
information how to survive in cold and snow by breaking branches and starting fires, it's still valid . Every country has its bush craft knowledge, snow , cold and how to survive, dosen't change over time.

OK, I found it. You are quoting from the Russian textbook and instructional survival guide entitled "Extreme Situations in a Skiing Expedition: Causes of Their Occurrence and Actions to Eliminate Their Consequences"  which was published for the first time in 1999.

The section you quote about winter hiking was based on this much earlier manual:



Relevant sections from that earlier manual:

Standard Operating Safety Procedures (Winter 1958–59)

The safety protocols taught to winter groups during this specific window focused on absolute group cohesion, self-reliance, and converting personal clothing into survival tools:
• Slope Modification & Anchoring: When camping on angled terrain, hikers were instructed to dig deep into the slope down to the bare ground to establish a level surface. The displaced snow was stacked systematically around the perimeter of the tent to act as an insulated structural shield against heavy alpine winds.
• Forest Bivouacking Realities: Manuals stated that a heavy winter storm or a lost ski situation demanded immediate descent into the safety of the nearest tree line. The forest was viewed as the ultimate survival center because it blocked wind and provided endless deadwood.
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by bongyi on October 22, 2026, 03:30:23 PM »
Unfortunately, it is not at all understandable why a vigorous young man prepared in every way, who has the skills to survive, dies! However, I thought a little about how much survival of the tragedy would be a valid option for him? I mean, if he as a leader could survive the tragedy as the only one! It is not certain that he would want to fight for a life that is burdened with this!
Of course, there is no question of blaming him for anything. All hikers are above any criticism of them. An attempt to do so not only cannot be valid, but is also unworthy of their memory.
Whatever happened then, I am sure that Gyatlov, as a leader, was more than anything shaken by the suffering and death of his comrades. I can't measure the horror it could have caused him!
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by bongyi on October 22, 2026, 02:48:31 PM »
Violation of elementary formal requirements, referring to some kind of authority without being named exactly.
e.g.


The instructions from the hiking manuals explain exactly why people climb trees.

Such and similar twists and turns formally illustrate the lack of quality of the content of the statement!

Just as, of course, the essence of indicating the location of the source of the quotation is that it can be checked and read afterwards. It is clearly inappropriate to refer to the Russian archives.
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by Ziljoe on October 22, 2026, 01:45:23 PM »

I think you must be misunderstanding something, GlennM.

Ziljoe is quoting some manuals as explanations for the actions of the DPI hikers. It's important that s/he inform us where those manuals came from. If, for example, they are from Argentina and printed in 1972, they are not a valid research tool for this mystery.

 Many other articles and documents from other countries and at other times have been used as research tools . Like your lights in the sky in Norway I think it was.

If an Argentina manual from 1972  had information how to survive in cold and snow by breaking branches and starting fires, it's still valid . Every country has its bush craft knowledge, snow , cold and how to survive, dosen't change over time .

It's part of the debate , that is , did they behave logically if we follow the narrative that they left the tent because of an avalanche, beast or gas etc.

Every diary entry and every photo is in the same vein as every other hiking group of that era. The manuals are on line , they are free , the books , the history is there as are a host of other hikes , their photos and reports, eating the same foods , helicopters flying by , dropping flairs , Mansi signs , Mansi help, accidents, storms etc.

I've always kept my eye on the pattern at the ravine and den, I ve just also looked for mundane evidence as well as more exotic evidence. I'll leave you in peace.

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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by amashilu on October 22, 2026, 11:21:29 AM »
I felt Ziljoe getting slapped from here. I don't like it and there is absolutely nobody on this forum that has his level of excellence, none. If anyone needs clarification, it can be asked in a collegial way, not top down. He should be pm'd an apology..

I think you must be misunderstanding something, GlennM.

Ziljoe is quoting some manuals as explanations for the actions of the DPI hikers. It's important that s/he inform us where those manuals came from. If, for example, they are from Argentina and printed in 1972, they are not a valid research tool for this mystery.
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by GlennM on October 22, 2026, 11:15:07 AM »
I felt Ziljoe getting slapped from here. I don't like it and there is absolutely nobody on this forum that has his level of excellence, none. If anyone needs clarification, it can be asked in a collegial way, not top down. He should be pm'd an apology..
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General Discussion / Re: The clues in the snow
« Last post by bongyi on October 22, 2026, 06:51:07 AM »
Based on the diary entries, I formed the opinion that the stove operated in such a way that there was always, even at night, an on-call person watching it. It is mentioned several times in the diary who is on duty. There is also an accident related to a fire, when someone's coat catches fire, there is also a picture of this and the incident is mentioned in a diary without details (Zina)

https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Krivonischenko-camera-film1-31.jpg

Contradictions related to firewood can be read on the previously linked page on stoves and firewood. If the pieces of wood found in the tent were used as the insulating material for pushing the stove's chimney pipe through the fabric of the tent, then there is no firewood in the tent. If the wood was not insulation, then where are the insulating asbestos rings? I don't understand why they don't have firewood? They could bring it with them They left 50 kilograms of equipment in the labaz, there was room for firewood for the stove in the backpacks! But it wouldn't have been enough to melt snow and cook outside the tent! Just for the stove! But it is very conceivable that Gyatlov was also unsure that the tent set up in the snowfield would be stable enough to install the stove in the stormy wind, and he thought, as I think, that it would not be. And that's exactly why they didn't bring firewood at all. However, from the fact that the stove was taken, we have to conclude that he did not want to go on the ridge, but wanted to return to the forest strip. Otherwise, they could have left the stove in the labaz - although that would have been too reckless!

An interesting aspect that has not yet been discussed! February 1 is the first time that the team has to set up the tent outside the trees. They had already spent several nights in the tent during their journey, but the tent was always set up among the trees. Setting up in the snow field is happening for the first time! There could be problems with that! It is not routine how many skis will be at the bottom now, how many are needed to fix the tent, etc. If there was some established method of who did what in the process of setting up the tent, then it could not necessarily be used here. It is also conceivable that there were those who now see this tent set up on a snow field for the first time.

An important question is what causes the center and one end of the tent to collapse? This can happen if the skis and ski poles pierced in the snow, with which the tent is fixed, move in the snow. Or so that the tensioning ropes break!
Why is there no information on whether the tension ropes were broken or not? Presumably, there is no information about this because they were not broken and no one thought it important to write it down! It would have been important! Or could the cutting of the fabric of the tent have caused the loosening in the fastening system that causes the tent to collapse? How is the order? Does the tent collapse first and they cut themselves out or do they cut through the side of the tent first for some reason and it collapses because of that? Hm?

If you leave the tent somewhere in stormy weather, it is advisable to knock it down and load it with something so that the wind does not take it away! Of course, in a situation where they can't even put on their clothes, they obviously didn't spend time knocking down or loading the tent! There was no tent left empty, there were their backpacks and all their equipment. Although a tent with split sides is used as a sail by stormy winds.

In the settlement of Vizhay, which is ~50 km away, strong winds were registered that night. The reference to the extreme cold is not. But from our point of view, from the point of view of the snow tracks, the primary one is the question of snowfall now, that is, how much snow fell during the days of February 1-2? Of course, wind and temperature are also important! If the “local residents” as @Osi mentioned remembered the cold and not the snow, probably no significant snow fell then!
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by amashilu on October 22, 2026, 03:29:05 AM »
The manuals are all in the soviet archives in a number of editions . As are all the hikes by other tourists, at least those that were archived . At the beak up of the soviet union , many were lost or still exist but in other countries archive's. There's a book where two of the searchers believe there was an avalanche and give further detail about many of the other searchers and what was actually the layout of the tent etc.

Yes, thank you for your response. I think if you are going to quote some manuals you have found as explanations for the very incidents this forum was built to discuss, it would be important for us to know where your quotes come from.
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by Ziljoe on October 22, 2026, 02:46:20 AM »
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I guess I wasn't really introducing all of those topics in this thread; I was just trying to explain to GlennM that I like to post and explore one question at a time with forum members, each in its own thread. 

But ... since you have been mentioning these "manuals" lately, I would like to encourage you to start a thread about them and share where you got them, what year they were created, were they handed out at the Ural Polytechnic, and other general stuff about them.

Theres not lots of topics there . It's in response to your three questions.
Ironically,I'm in a real life situation where documents have been changed and documents manipulated. My time is short to for detail as I'm cross referencing several things at once.

The manuals are all in the soviet archives in a number of editions . As are all the hikes by other tourists, at least those that were archived . At the beak up of the soviet union , many were lost or still exist but in other countries archive's. There's a book where two of the searchers believe there was an avalanche and give further detail about many of the other searchers and what was actually the layout of the tent etc.

The iconic photo of Zolo with his hand holding his head and I think Yuri behind him whilst Igor reads a map seems to be an inside joke as the pose is replicated on another hike by a tourist sitting on his pack. It may be reference to the thinking man but we can see that the population mimicked the arts.

It has been difficult to research and find them but their logic applies to the actions of the group. I shall leave your thread alone so you may ponder the questions you ask.
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General Discussion / Re: Why did Igor die?
« Last post by amashilu on October 22, 2026, 02:20:46 AM »
Amashilu, what is your thinking about the progression of the events in the forest?

Glennm, I wish I could answer that question.
Why did Igor die?
Did someone really climb the tree? and if so, why on earth would they do that?
How did Krivonischenko burn his left shin?
I have to start with simple facts, one at a time, and see where each one leads, before arriving at a place where I can actually build a theory or a timeline.

It would seem reasonable to assume Igor died from cold exposure. The body is in a posture that is common for deaths from extreme cold and hypothermia. The muscles react in that way when lying on ones back.

The instructions from the hiking manuals explain exactly why people climb trees. So do the archived reports from other hikes. Sometimes they do for viewing in the distance and other times to get the best dry branches for a fire . In an emergency, here are some of the instructions given in the manuals below.


"A serious emergency situation: a group gets lost in bad weather, loses their skis, and descends to the edge of the forest. The forest, with its ability to start a fire, offers salvation to the struggling tourist group. The leader or experienced hikers must quell panic and motivate the group to take action (after all, hunters and taiga dwellers spend the night in the forest without tents in winter). Therefore, they should head deeper into the forest to find a lull from the wind. The strongest go ahead to dig a trench in the snow. An exhausted comrade should not be left to rest (they won't survive); everyone must stick together. Having chosen a site for an emergency camp with plenty of dead wood, the group decides where to start a fire. If an axe and saw are unavailable, a spot with plenty of thin deadwood or large trees with dry lower branches that can be broken off by hand is chosen. Two or three people gather firewood for the night, while the rest dig a hole to the ground. Snow from the pit is carried up in backpacks and windbreakers, the bottom of the pit is lined with spruce branches, the top is partially covered with branches, and then a fire is lit. The group warms up and settles down for the night.

If the snow cover is shallow or the ground is open, the chosen spot under large trees is cleared of snow to the ground, a shelter or windbreak is built, firewood is stored for the night, and a fire is lit. Everyone warms up and dries their clothes.


Yuri most likely got his burn from the fire, it is a graded radiation burn , in keeping with the angle of his limb when his body was found.

I guess I wasn't really introducing all of those topics in this thread; I was just trying to explain to GlennM that I like to post and explore one question at a time with forum members, each in its own thread. 

But ... since you have been mentioning these "manuals" lately, I would like to encourage you to start a thread about them and share where you got them, what year they were created, were they handed out at the Ural Polytechnic, and other general stuff about them.
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