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General Discussion / Re: Gale force winds can push large sections of snow around .
« Last post by Monty on January 21, 2020, 01:15:52 PM »
Thanks. That's a helpful description and explanation. Therefore with enough time and determined effort a den could have been fashioned to act as a shelter /hide
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I might add the image of a yeti chasing them only to be met with the sweet sounds of a mandolin would be fairly pythonesque.




Essential expedition equipment - "Music to serenade a killer yeti, Vol 1 - 10" .
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Some interesting food for thought. Am i right in saying you refer to ski poles that we're cut? Perhaps grabbed on the way out of the tent. I assumed from the"den" photo the four sitting areas were pine cones/branches on thicker branches. A bit like a small raft you would lash together.


No the "poles" were cut from saplings near the den (so they had a knife). The remnants being clearly visible to the rescuers. The poles formed the base of the raft on which the seats were built from twigs finished with scraps of cloth. N.B. the construction of the raft is to some extent conjecture because it was found in a wrecked condition due to the snow in the ravine having "travelled" (obeying gravity like a glacier does). The case files state that the bodies were found 6 metres downstream from the den but some rescuers (Askenadzi) dispute this stating it was 1metre.
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General Discussion / Re: Gale force winds can push large sections of snow around .
« Last post by Monty on January 21, 2020, 11:48:18 AM »
I might add the image of a yeti chasing them only to be met with the sweet sounds of a mandolin would be fairly pythonesque.
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General Discussion / Re: Gale force winds can push large sections of snow around .
« Last post by Monty on January 21, 2020, 11:44:49 AM »
Some interesting food for thought. Am i right in saying you refer to ski poles that we're cut? Perhaps grabbed on the way out of the tent. I assumed from the"den" photo the four sitting areas were pine cones/branches on thicker branches. A bit like a small raft you would lash together.
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General Discussion / Re: Knives, raised footprints and gale forced winds.
« Last post by sarapuk on January 21, 2020, 11:29:07 AM »
Everyone's perception is keenly different, the artists mind might see a distorted face or a photographer might see an over exposure and the engineer might see a rocket... I have always seen a face but my mind is geared that way..




Well fortunately in the English Legal System we do our best to avoid PERCEPTION and concentrate on FACT.
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Video / Photography / Re: The Cedar Then/Now
« Last post by sarapuk on January 21, 2020, 11:23:56 AM »
Forensic evidence left on the tree, thats a good question. There may have been originally, that is at the time of the event. But after so long, WATER would surely have destroyed any evidence on the tree.

Not on the TREE... But IN the tree, they form rings inside and anything in or above the ground would eventually be taken up through the roots and it has showed some 20 to 30 years later in the DNA of the tree. The scientist can go back to the exact year of a crime... Trees have solved a lot of mystery's with their DNA and hidden truths that lie within them.

I think thats a big ask  !  ?  I think that the ground would need to be very saturated with something in order for that something to work its way into the RINGS as you seem to suggest.
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I still struggle with the concept of a snow den. The tent was placed in an area that had been dug out in daylight by nine well dressed and equipped people working as a team with the prospect of dinner. Fast forward several hours and there are no longer nine, they are poorly dressed and have no equipment. It just isn't possible for them to dig bare handed deep enough to create an ice wall that could fall on them.
Also if they left the tent but not under armed guard, why not head for the cache as a starting point for initial assembly and situation assessment.
My apologies if I am in the wrong thread. I am new to this forum and forums generally. And i have a windows 10 phone.


Not so, they cut the poles that formed the den bed with a knife, so they had a knife to cut blocks of snow, poles to dig with and cloth to carry away spoil. Some pieces were discarded on the top of the ravine snow as they would have been soaking wet after use and of no use as covers for seats.


The cache was further away and probably impossible to reach in the dark. Plus it offered no advantage. Just lots of food a pair of skis and a mandolin. In the missile theory they had a good plan, head for the forest, light a fire, leave a flashlight as a beacon on a ridge and hopefully return sooner rather than later. But something went wrong and three didn't make it (probably blinded) and Yuri k arrived burnt.  Yuri D stayed in the tree calling out to the lost three until hypothermia got him, Yuri k having already died of shock. Then they extinguished the fire (according to the rescue group there was no reason for it not to continue burning so the assumption is it was extinguished) and setup the den. Semyon was found holding his notebook and pen so it's plausible that they survived there until dawn until something crushed them presumed to be a tracked vehicle.
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General Discussion / Re: Gale force winds can push large sections of snow around .
« Last post by Tim on January 21, 2020, 09:39:38 AM »
Struggles are part of this process. Simply the Photos show they were setting up next to an elevated surface for protection and there is snow on that elevated surface. Because the tent was in poor condition and was two tents sewn together it was never meant for the slopes  and out in the open, they added more snow and compacted it because this is what you do. Mountaineering 101. See the two photos of them setting up the tent. No worries and someone is taking photos..Eventually to much snow accumulated on the wall, with the gale winds and gravity it  only one section of the wall dislodged . After they had cut themselves out, the other section of the wall collapsed cutting off access to the tent. The decision to go to the trees and start a fire was quick or they would of never made it to the forest if they spent to much time at the tent...This may be wrong but its the first logical answer that I have read to why they left the tent. But I have changed my mind before.
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General Discussion / Re: Gale force winds can push large sections of snow around .
« Last post by Monty on January 21, 2020, 09:09:48 AM »
I still struggle with the concept of a snow den. The tent was placed in an area that had been dug out in daylight by nine well dressed and equipped people working as a team with the prospect of dinner. Fast forward several hours and there are no longer nine, they are poorly dressed and have no equipment. It just isn't possible for them to dig bare handed deep enough to create an ice wall that could fall on them.
Also if they left the tent but not under armed guard, why not head for the cache as a starting point for initial assembly and situation assessment.
My apologies if I am in the wrong thread. I am new to this forum and forums generally. And i have a windows 10 phone.
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