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Reply #47
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I notice that
Charles has now stopped supporting the unbelievable theory "that hikers took part in a fight between them".
So I will adopt Charles' idea - brilliant in its simplicity - that the fatal altercation took place not in the darkness, on February 1 from 8 PM, but in the daylight, on February 2 from 9 AM.
Thus, with a few modifications of moderate importance, my already obsolete
TOKEB theory can be transformed into
TOKEC (Tumanov - Oestmoen - Kandr - EBE - Charles).
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Answer for Ziljoe :
The question of Zotaryov's camera is unimportant, because it can be easily explained in various ways. For instance
1° This camera was always attached to the collar of Zolotaryov's jacket.
2° In full daylight, the attackers clearly saw that Zolotaryov did not have the opportunity to take a single compromising photo,
or else it is also the attackers who have unleashed themselves the 11 snapshots through a cloth using a slightly dirty lens.
Star man : The Cameras ; December 30, 2018, 02:17:31 AM ---> Reply #22
First of all why did he [Zolotaryov] have it around his neck when he was found? The only reasonable explanation is that he was already wearing it around his neck when he left the camp site and before whatever events started.°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
Now I summarize here some ideas which could be used to develop TOKEC.
••• Soviet officials (UPI Sports Club, Route Commision, PCSU....) have underestimated the hostile anti-Russian ambience in this region of the Urals (Vizhay, Ivdellag....) and have sent or let go the hikers, exemplary citizens, into a viper's nest (wolf's mouth).
Normally the hikers should not have stopped at District 41.
[We had to go to 2nd North, but it was getting dark and we decided to stop at the 41st.
we had to go to 2nd North, but it was getting dark and we decided to stop at the 41st. (Dubinina)
Loose}{Cannon : These hikers are in the communist party. All devotion and complete commitment to the party is required to be a "good", communist, especially when your a young lad attending the communist state technical school where they were likely hand picked for a promising future in a high-tech industry like enriching plutonium and long distance communications.... ••• The persistent cover-up by successive governments is simply explained by the need to hide the shameful incompetency of the KGB and other police forces.
••• Three categories of men had valid reasons to feel a fierce hatred against the Khrushchev regime.
1° The house arresters who constituted a small part of the District 41 personnel. The ones we do not see because they refused to appear on any pictures.
In the kind of sons of Polish officers massacred in Katyn.......
2° Among the locals there were peaceful Mansi tribes (Kurikov, Bahtiyarov, Anyamov). But
Grigoriy Nikolaevich Kurikov: said that "near [a moutain not located]..... there live ... Ostyaks. They are like savages, they are not friends with Mansi or with Russian people............And these Ostyaks could kill the hikers because they thought that hikers could kill their deer and moose, which they feed on".
There were those who "leads anti-Soviet agitation among Mansi against the unification of Mansi into collective farms, against sedentarism, incites hatred among Russians and the existing Soviet system, claiming that the Russians bring only death to Mansi".
It is the predictable and inevitable clash of 2 irreconcilable civilizations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irredentism 3° Former Stalinist guards of the Ivdellag (specialized in the pursuit and the elimination of the rare escapees from the camps before being reduced to unemployment by the dismantling of the Gulag) who were opposed to the Krushchev's Thaw (1953 or 56 -1664), (it is the "K" of TOKEC).
••• These 3 categories of people :
•• found themselves, willingly or unwillingly, constrained to live in the same vast territory: in the vicinity of Vizhay and Ivdellag
•• for many years.
The same hatred of the USSR or of the Degel logically joined their competences and their murderous determination.
••• The hikers, who thought they were living in the Soviet paradise, were not very clever in their diplomacy.
In Vizhay and even more so in District 41, the hikers were felt by some people as a provocation.
Dubinina by intuition and perhaps also Zolotariov by his long experience were affected by it causing a dull concern and a psychological uneasiness.
••• The hikers had described and (too) much talked about their route to reach Ortoten through the Auspya valley.
But this valley is a bad route because there is a lot of soft snow in the taiga, which slows down the progress.
There are at least two other faster routes from Vizhay or North-2 to the slope of the Kholat Syakhl.
So the attackers (murderers) did not follow the hikers' trail in the Auspya valley.
••• Planning of the ambush in an isolated place (slope of Kholat Syakhl)
Not in the taiga where there are too many trees.
The fire, the observation post on top of the Cedar, the 4 beds of branches were made and used by the attackers.
Thus the attackers saw the hikers set up the tent on the evening of February 1 and ascended from the Cedar to the tent on the morning of February 2 when it was daylight.
••• On the morning of February 2, in daylight, i.e. when the effectiveness of a verbal gun threat is likely, some of the attackers visibly and amicably approached the tent
With a single shotgun with all the required legal permits and powerful ammunition for hunting bear or elk.
[Nikolay Pavlovich AnyamovMansi had to register their weapons in Ivdel. Any other weapons would have been illegal, and the punishment was severe.
••• A friendly conversation starts with a hiker, for example with Tibo, who is well dressed outside of the tent.
....... and suddenly a warning shot and an imperative order addressed to the 8 other hikers still inside the tent
"Obey our orders strictly or we will kill your comrade".
"Get out of your tent immediately and go down slowly in ranks towards our camp at the foot of the Cedar where there is fire. Otherwise we will kill your comrade."
"Be reasonable and all will be well", (another treachery).
••• Among the attackers, the hunter had the legal authorization to carry a hunting weapon.
The loggers, who were trained in the felling of trees with long-handled axes, obviously knew how to use the birch wood blunt objects wrapped in rags, with vigour and precision.
••• The desecration of the corpses of defeated enemies was often constated in history (Dehumanization,brutalization, revenge, throphy taking...). An example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_mutilation_of_Japanese_war_dead
The myth of small rodents choosing their dessert under the snow was invented not to scare children and sensitive souls......
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