Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

[Axelrod]

Here I will try not just to write some thoughts, but to combine evidence from the criminal case and intereviews.

Karelin witness testomony:
(February 28) This day four bodies were found: Kolmogorovа, Dyatlov, Krivonischenko and Doroshenko, the latter we first confused with Zolotaryov, because his face was covered with snow, and only later we identified the fourth body as Doroshenko.

(February 28) The next day the tent of the Dyatlov group was dismantled and three bodies were taken to the pass.

Radiogram of Maslennokov (Sheet 160): 28.2 1707 (To Sulman)

Couldn't get in touch with Akselrod, from him that is Akselrod a helicopter flew off. The search has not given anything yet. It was possible to find traces of 8-9 people from the tent about 1 km down the slope, further the traces were lost. One person was wearing boots, the rest in socks and barefoot. Further down the slope the snow is very deep and investigation of the tent did reveal anything. Dogs today could not do anything, the snow was deep. 3 bodies were transported to the heli pad. The fourth will be picked up tomorrow his face - completely unrecognizable therefore there is an opinion that this is Doroshenko and not Zolotaryov. They are both the biggest guys. We examined the place of the tent and made a report, the items were let down to the heli pad. They will be sent to you in the tent there were 10 sets of sheets 8 pairs of boots 9 backpacks, all the personal belongings of the victims, supplies for for 2-3 days, the remaining products for 8 days were left in the cache site in the upper sources of Auspiya river the whole group was together. Why did the entire group half-dressed abandoned the tent was not possible to establish completely incomprehensible. Tomorrow we will probe to look for people in a section of deep snow in the size of 150 meters to five hundred about one kilometer below the tent. Hikers belongings are ready to be transported you need send a helicopter for them.

Witness testimony of Sogrin (about March 1): Sheet 332:
On the first of March I, Akselrod, Tipikin, Ivanov L. N. were dropped at the scene of the accident. We were greeted by a large group of people tightly wrapped in and wearing ski caps. The wind blew snow in the face and tried to throw you off the plateau. Quickly loaded into the helicopter Dyatlov group belongings and several people. Behind the large cliff lay 3 bodies already pulled up to the helipad. Despite the bad weather weather went on a search.

Questions to Tipikin (he arriver together with Axelrod. Sogrin and Ivanov):
[T.]: During the flight to the pass on March 1, 1959, we met prosecutor L.N. Ivanov. The time of the flight passed unnoticed in conversation. The topic of discussion, of course, was one.

I did not pay attention to what cargo was transported on this flight. And was there any cargo at all? The fact that they were carrying food, that's for sure. They were already in use in the evening.

12. Did you load the dead people's belongings and tent into the helicopter upon arrival? Did anyone fly away from the pass in this helicopter?

[T.]: As far as I remember, we didn't load anything into the helicopter. Upon arrival at the pass, we immediately headed to Dyatlov's tent, and from there down to the cedar. And the bodies of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko, already harnessed to the sleds, climbed up to the pass. Thus, we simply didn't have time, or need, to observe the helicopter.

13. First impressions of the pass: who did you talk to, what did you hear, what did you do? Did you talk to Maslennikov, investigator Ivanov, journalist Yarov? How did the search go in general? What did you find during your participation?

[T.]: In the very first hours of arriving at the pass, I joined Akselrod's group in the work of lifting the bodies of Doroshenko and Krivonischenko to the pass. These are my first impressions. I did not have any private "face-to-face" conversations with Maslennikov and Ivanov, and I had no idea who Yarovoy was and had nothing to talk about with him.

14. Who lifted the 4th body – Georgy Krivonischenko?

[T.]: The bodies of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko were lifted to the pass at the same time on sleds in two groups of 5-6 people. I ended up in the "Krivonischenko lifting group". I remember well that the weather was beautiful with a slight frost.

Interview with Koptelov (he was together with Sharavin):
https://dyatlovpass.com/koptelov-2008?rbid=18461
KOPTELOV: we were busy delivering corpses to the pass.
The five people who were found. At the pass, they said, there will be a helicopter that will pick up the corpses and take us back. The helicopter arrived and took all the corpses, but they didn’t take us that day. We flew out the next day. (i.e. March 4)

N: You flew away and never went back?

K: Yes, we were already in Sverdlovsk on March 5th.

https://lenta.ru/news/2020/07/11/turist/The tourist who discovered the tent of the missing Dyatlov group has died:

Mikhail Sharavin died in Yekaterinburg at the age of 85. In 1959, he was the first to discover the empty tent of tourists from the Dyatlov group. The head of the Dyatlov Foundation, Yuri Kuntsevich, reported this to the Ura.ru portal.

<span>He noted that former tourist Sharavin died on July 8. Due to the coronavirus, few people attended his farewell ceremony. His relatives have not yet informed the foundation about the place of burial.

Rustem Slobodon was found only March 5. What was a fifth body before SLobodin.
I suppose in was recognizef Semyon ZOlotarqov which wat taken by helicopter on March 1.

Question 12. Did you load the dead people's belongings and tent into the helicopter upon arrival? Did anyone fly away from the pass in this helicopter?

[TIPIKIN.]: As far as I remember, we didn't load anything into the helicopter. Upon arrival at the pass, we immediately headed to Dyatlov's tent, and from there down to the cedar. And the bodies of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko, already harnessed to the sleds, climbed up to the pass. Thus, we simply didn't have time, or need, to observe the helicopter.

[SURI]

If there were 10 dead tourists, where did the 10th backpack go?

[Axelrod]

If there were 10 dead tourists, where did the 10th backpack go?

And who knows better about these backpacks, you in Australia, or my uncle, who was loading these backpacks into the helicopter 66 years ago?

[Ziljoe]

If there were 10 dead tourists, where did the 10th backpack go?

And who knows better about these backpacks, you in Australia, or my uncle, who was loading these backpacks into the helicopter 66 years ago?

Suri is asking a question. What has Australia got to do with is Yout reply Axelrod?

What does your uncle know? Please share facts Axelrod ..

[GlennM]

It seems that the rescue/recovery teams were as confused about the hikers as are we. The uncle did honorable work in harsh conditions. He too performed his labors without solving a problem. He was also smart enough to do his service without making additional trouble. A good man.

[SURI]

3 + 3 + 2 + 1 takes pictures

[Axelrod]

From the video The mystery of the blurred photo, or “the body of an unknown person”. A break in the search at the pass (May 29, 2022):

[SAZONOVA]: Hello, it’s me again! And today I want to talk to you about the photograph of an unknown corpse. Why? Because in fact, if you and I admit that this photograph is really related to our history, then 99% of the versions should simply fall away. (…)



In my video about Yarovoy and Ivanov’s archive, I told the story of how this photograph came to light in the first place. And therefore, of course, we have no guarantee that she is directly connected with this case. Let's start reasoning. We have no evidence of this, but we also have no evidence of the opposite. In fact, Lev Ivanov did not handle as many cases as it seems to us now. How these overloaded investigators and prosecutors are painted to us. We know for sure, it flashed somewhere in one of the reports, in one of the archival notes, that in 1959 Ivanov handled only 4 cases. At the same time, two of them are known to us – the death of the Dyatlov group, and the second case, when in January 1959 the body of a girl was found on the shore of a lake in Sverdlovsk. Moreover, he handled it for a long time, 10 or 11 months. They simply could not identify her and solve this case for a very long time. Two more cases are unknown to us. However, you and I know that Ivanov's archive contains tapes of his other cases.





I want to say right away that these films do not have a frame with our smeared body. This photo is not from those films. If we look at them, then there is indeed one case, also in winter. We do not know what year it was. It was connected with a fire, and in some such settlement, but this is not a stone building… Maybe these are some outskirts of Sverdlovsk. This is a big fire, everything is dirty there, there is soot, there are a lot of people. There will be bodies, but they are not in clean underwear. These are dressed people, pulled out of the fire. This is clearly not that photograph, not that style. Even if we admit that we do not have all of Ivanov's films.

Therefore, we have no evidence that it is from another case. Let's now try to reason. What can we say, looking at this photo? Here, of course, Ivanov's inscription, which is on the back of the photo, plays a huge role.


The body after it was dug out of the snow.


We understand for sure that we are not talking about just some body that was dug out of the snow. In fact, we also understand that if this is a death somewhere in the city, or the same fire, then no one buried these bodies there first, so that later they would have to be dug out!

The second point is the degree to which he is dressed. Here, of course, looking at this photo, you understand that there is a clear connection with the Dyatlov group.

I understand that a person could have jumped out of the fire there at night undressed, but like this, so that he would have been walking around somewhere in these underpants, and then he would have been covered in snow, so that he would have to be dug out there? After all, the case of the Dyatlov group is quite unique.

The third is the location. We can again see from the photographs that there are no signs of a settlement. If we look at the snow, there is a certain feeling that this is not urban, this is pure snow. You see small shoots of coniferous trees, and we do not see any trees, bushes or anything else in the background. And this also allows us to think that we are talking about this specific transition zone of the Dyatlov group: first a half-bare slope, then they walked where dwarf trees barely break through, and only then the forest began. When you look at this photograph, there is a feeling that we are talking specifically about crossing a forest zone. If we summarize: the man is dressed like a Dyatlov man. A man who died under the same circumstances. I am inclined to think that if a bird quacks like a duck, the bird has a beak like a duck, then it is a duck.

That's why I think it's highly likely that this photo is related to our topic. Then the question arises: how did they manage to dig up this body without the searchers knowing? How did it go unnoticed? And it seems to me that this question is interesting to us in and of itself. That's why I even included it in the title of the video.

The thing is that there really was a break in the search… In fact, this is where my friendship with Igor Pavlov began. I can't help but talk about him, because he was a wonderful person, one of the best I know who dealt with the Dyatlov Pass topic. No offense to other people. Unfortunately, he has passed away.

Being such a completely inexperienced neophyte on the forum, I was still afraid to argue with anyone there, afraid to write any seditious thoughts. And so I very carefully wrote him a private message: "Hello! tell me, please, I don’t understand the topic well, but I have a feeling.”



In short, could Petr Bartolomei be disingenuous when describing his stay at the pass and some circumstances related to it. After that, I received a lot of emoticons from Igor Pavlov and the following answer: “Yes, you know, girl, you got me interested in this question…”

[Axelrod]

My research with corpses. Presumably, Semyon Zolotaryov was performing a special task (for example, tracking the flight of missiles), the other "sherpas" were not in the know.





1) Zina Kolmogorova was found closest to the tent (February 27). The guys who felt sympathy for her also rushed after her, but they all died.
2) Doroshenko (crossed out on the diagram). Perhaps he was lying on his back.
3) Slobodin (found March 5)
4) Dyatlov (found February 27).
Krivonischenko and Zolotaryov were lying under a cedar, perpendicular to each other. This is how Kopetlov saw them.

 Zolotaryev was lying on his side, but then was turned face down and hidden. Then Doroshenko was found first on the slope (near to ZIna) and dragged under the cedar (so that the bodies would all lie together), but he was placed parallel to Krivonischenko's body and placed on his stomach (it didn't matter how he was placed).

(Another variant is also posssible: Zolotaryov was found near to Zina, and both Yuras ander the cedar.)

On February 27, the helicopter arrived. (Karelin, Atmanaki, etc.). Also Maslennikov.
On February 28, Tempalov and Korotayev arrived. Perhaps, the intern Korotayev was there on February 27, but he got confused, and on February 28, Tempalov arrived. Tempalov was also confused, so Ivanov arrived on March 1.

Three bodies were lifted to the helipad (Kolmogorova, Dyatlov, and Zolotaryov), this was on February 28. Maslennikov writes that Doroshenko remained under the cedar, and at first he "was confused with Zolotaryov." Perhaps he himself got confused about who he saw.

On the morning of March 1, Doroshenko was raised, then Krivonischenko. Student Tipikin was raising Krivonischenko. But Ivanov, who also arrived on March 1, managed to take a photo of Krivonischenko's body near the cedar.


Krivonischenko was hidden in the snow (to hide the presence of an extra fifth corpse), and then he was dug out of the snow, as written on the back of Ivanov's photo.

While everyone was busy with their own affairs, the state security officers loaded Zolotaryov into a helicopter, along with his things and a tent. Further manipulations with him are unknown, but his mother received a payment for the death of her son in early March.

The helicopter flew away, but at that time Doroshenko's body was pulled up. These 4 bodies (Zina, Igor, both Yura) were taken out by helicopter on March 3, the autopsy of the 4 bodies was on March 4.

Kopetlov and Sharavin flew away on March 4, and on March 5 they were in Sverdlovsk.
Karelin found Slobodin's body on the slope on March 5. His autopsy was on March 8.

Then an unknown man with tattoos was found in a ravine, who was introduced as Alexander Zolotaryov. He is still listed at the autopsy on May 9. There are 2 records of his burial (before May 12 and after May 12).

Are there other options?
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TRANSLATED FROM: Моё исследование с  трупами.  Предположительно, Семён Золотарёв выполнял особое задание (например, отслеживание полёта ракет), другие "шерпы" были не в курсе.
1)   Зина Колмогорова была обнаружена ближе всех к палатке (27 февраля). Также за ней следом устремились парни, которые испытывали к ней симпатию, но все погибли.
2)   Дорошенко (зачёркнут на схеме). Возможно, он лежал на спине.
3)   Слободин (найден 5 марта)
4)   Дятлов (найден 27 февраля).
Под кедром лежали Кривонищенко и Золотарёв, перпендикулярно друг к другу. Так их увидел Копетлов.  Золотарёв лежал на боку, по потом был перевёрнут лицом вниз и спрятан. Потом Дорошенко был найден первым на склоне и перетащен под кедр (чтобы трупы лежали все вместе), но он был положен параллельно с телом Кривонищенко и положен на живот (было неважно, как его положить).

(Другой вариант тоже возможен, Золотарёв найден рядом с Зиной, но транспортиров к кедру, где уже лежали оба Юры).

27 февраля прилетел Вертолёт. (Карелин, Атманаки и др.). Также Маслеников.
28 февраля прилетели Темпалов и Коротаев. Возможно, практикант Коротаев был 27 февраля, но он растерялся, и 28 февраля прилетел Темпалов.  Темпалов тоже растерялся,
поэтому 1 марта прилетел Иванов.

Три трупа были подняты на вертолётную площадку (Колмогорова, Дятлов и Золотарёв), это было 28 февраля. Масленников пишет, что Дорошенко остался под кедром, и сначала он «был перепутан с Золотарёвым». Возможно, он сам запутался, кого он видит.

Кривонищенко был спрятан в снегу (чтобы скрыть присутствие лишнего пятого трупа), а затем он был разрыт из снега, как надписано на обороте фото  у Иванова.

Утром 1 марта был поднят Дорошенко, потом Кривонищенко. Студент  Типикин занимался поднятием Кривонищенко. Но Иванов, который тоже прилетел 1 марта, успел сделать фото трупа Кривонищенко у кедра.

Пока все были занятны своими делами, сотрудники госбезопаснотси погрузили Золотарёва в вертолёт, вместе с вещами и палаткой. Дальнейшие манипуляции с ним неизвестны, но его мать получила выплату за смерть сына в начале марта.

Вертолёт улетел, но в это время был подтянут труп Дорошенко. Эти 4 трупа (Зина, Игорь, Юра, Юра) были вывезены вертолётом 3 марта, вскрытие 4 трупов было 4 марта.

Копетлов и Шаравин улетели 4 марта, и 5 марта они были в Свердловске.
Карелин нашёл тело Слободина на склоне 5 марта. Его вскрытие было 8 марта.

Потом в овраге был найден непонятный человек с татуировками, который был представлен как Александр Золотарёв.  Он так и фигурирует при вскрытии 9 мая. Есть 2 свидетельства его похорон (до 12 мая и после 12 мая).

Возможны ли другие варианты?

[Axelrod]

Maya [PISKARYOVA] tells us: To date, Viktor [BOGOMOLOV] is the only witness who took part in Semyon Zolotaryov's funeral. And I decided to call him on January 2, 2014.

[B.]: The coffin was dark, it didn't stand out. There was no photograph on the coffin. Just a lid.

[–] Were there any military personnel present at the funeral?

[B.]: No. There were no military personnel.

[–] Were there any relatives?

[B.]: The only relative was Semyon's mother. When Repyev called me, he told me to look after her. She was in poor physical condition, old. She was very sad.

[–] Were you looking after Semyon Alexeevich's mother? Where was she staying, where did you take her after the funeral?

[B.]: I didn't meet her, I saw her at the cemetery. The sports committee workers met her. They looked after her and took her away from the funeral.

[–] Do you think it was really Semyon Zolotaryov's mother? The thing is that Semyon's relatives on his older sister's side say that none of them were at the funeral. And when they called his mother and sister to Sverdlovsk, they were told that Semyon's body had not been found.

[B.]: I don't know, I think it was Semyon's mother. Zolotaryov was the last one to be buried, after May 12, they said they were waiting for his mother to arrive, they waited a long time for her to arrive. They probably called her earlier, in March or April, when all the bodies had not yet been found… Are you saying that the funeral was staged? Although, in principle, it is possible. You know, the searchers said that many things on the slope were staged.



Майя [ПИСКАРЁВА] сообщает нам: На сегодняшний день Виктор [БОГОМОЛОВ] является единственным свидетелем, кто принимал участие в похоронах Семёна Золотарёва. И я решилась позвонить ему 2 января 2014.

[Б.]: Гроб был тёмный, не выделялся. Фотографии на гробе не было. Просто крышка.

[–] Присутствовали ли военные на похоронах?

[Б.]: Нет. Военных никого не было.

[–] Были ли родственники?

[Б.]: Из родственников была только мама Семёна. Когда мне позвонил Репьёв, он сказал, чтобы я присмотрел за ней. Она была в неважном физическом состоянии, старенькая. Очень горевала.

[–] Вы занимались мамой Семёна Алексеевича? Где она остановилась, куда Вы её увезли после похорон?

[Б.]: Я её не встречал, увидел уже на кладбище. Встречали её работники спорткомитета. Они ею и занимались, и увезли её с похорон.

[–] Как Вы думаете, это на самом деле была мама Семёна Золотарёва? Дело в том, что родственники Семёна по линии старшей сестры говорят, что никого из них на похоронах не было. А когда вызывали в Свердловск маму и сестру, но им сказали, что тело Семёна не найдено.

[Б.]: Я не знаю, мне кажется, что это была мама Семёна. Золотарёва хоронили последним из всех, после 12 мая, говорили, что ждут приезда мамы, долго ждали её приезда. Наверно, её раньше вызывали, в марте или апреле, когда все тела ещё были не найдены… Вы хотите сказать, что на похоронах была постановка? Хотя, в принципе, возможно. Знаете, поисковики говорили, что там на склоне многие вещи были постановочными.

[GlennM]

I feel that the making of second hand claims about persons who did not exist does a disservice to the memory of the dead, their searchers and their chroniclers.  There is no evidence for a 10th person. There was no combat. There was no manipulation of corpses.

Good rescue people travelled to a harsh environment with good intentions. There was considerable expense in this rescue/recovery process. There were honest and accurate records made.

An unknown compelling force did not have to affect all at once. It would be enough to distress even just one person and the rest came for rescue. The only thing that would hurt anyone there was the Russian winter. The tourists were outmatched by the conditions.

I consider their downfall caused by disregarding the Forester, disregarding the weather and overestimating their ability to succeed against an indifferent winter. This is hubris. In itself, it is not a crime. People like to test their limits. Youth thinks they are invincible. Only with aches and pains of growing older and seeing your friends sicken and die does mortality become more real. We do not need make believe fictions about extra people, attacks and lures to explain the DPI. We need an understanding that there are limits and common sense at times is not,so common.

[SURI]

I disagree that the tourists were overcome by an unknown compelling force. That's just such an abstract term for hidden culprits who, however, have already been sufficiently punished.

But I agree that there weren't 10 of them, see the photo above. How would the 10th person get into the ravine with the other tourists, even though he had not gone with them before?

And Doroshenko on the slope? How could clothes be cut from him without leaving a single piece in the snow, and why would tourists return far back into the ravine?

[Axelrod]

We have Karelin's testimony that on February 28, 3 corpses were lifted up.
These are not his memories, this is his interrogation in 1959.
We also have a telegram from Maslennikov (sheet 160) that 3 corpses were lifted up, excluding Doroshenko, who was initially confused. This confusion is precisely explained by manipulations.

On March 1, Ivanov, Akselrod, Sogrin, and Tipikin arrive to translate.
Tipikin says that he personally lifted Krivonischenko's corpse.

Tipikin played the role of a horse harnessed to a sleigh to lift the sleigh up the mountain.
Tipikin identified Yura Krivonischenko by his face and ears.
This is also confirmed by the fact that on March 1, Ivanov took a photo of a corpse in the forest that looked like Krivonischenko (for some, even this is not obvious).
On the same day, another team of 5-6 people lifted Doroshenko's body.
We have a total of 5 bodies. This is exactly the testimony of the searchers, including Kotpelov and Sharavin.
They helped drag 5 bodies, but they flew away on March 4, and S. Lobodin was found on March 5.
Sharavin confessed before his death.

This mystery is perfectly explained by the fact that Zolotaryov was also found there.
Probably, Doroshenko was lying naked near the cedar (his relationship with Zina had deteriorated, but Zina found another), so Zolotaryov was found next to Zina. But in photographs they are often together.

For some reason, Zolotaryov was taken out secretly, but the search was conducted with the participation of students, \knowing that they would not understand anything. The place on the slope diagram where he was found fourth yard with Zina is crossed out.
I admit that Zolotaryov was taken to Moscow to study the effect of the new substance on the corpse.

How do you explain the situation that Zina was moving alone? The group should not have split up like Yudin.
She definitely moved in a pair of men, and then the jealous ones ran to catch up with them, while they were rivals and moved separately.

The tenth person (Alexander) was not necessarily present on the hike, he could have appeared at the last moment, just as Semyon appeared on the last day, to carry out the task. By the way, Semyon is not mentioned anywhere in the diary during the hike. Therefore, Alexander could also not have been mentioned. He could have been delivered on a sleigh. The group's diary says that the deer did not go further (i.e. they returned), but the man went further.

ORIGINAL:Мы имеем показания Карелина, что 28 февраля наверх было поднято 3 трупа.
Это не его воспоминания, это его допрос в 1959 году.
Также мы имеем телеграмму от Масленникова (лист 160), что наверх было поднято 3 трупа, исключая Дорошенко, который сначала был перепутан . Эта путаница как раз объясняется манипуляциями.

1 марта на перевел прилетают Иванов, Аксельрод, Согрин, Типикин.
Типикин говорит, что он лично поднимал труп Кривонищенко.
Типикин играл роль лошади, запряжённой в сани, чтобы поднят сани в гору.
Типикин определил Юру Кривонищенко по лицу и ушам.
Это также подтверждается тем, что Иванов 1 марта сделал в лесу фото трупа, который похож на Кривонищенко (для кого-то даже это неочевидно).
В этот же день другая команда из 5-6 человек поднимала труп Дорошенко.
Мы имеем сумму 5 трупов. Это как раз показания поисковиков, включая Котпелова и Шаравина.
Они помогали перетаскивать 5 трупов, но они улетели 4 марта, а Слободин был найден 5 марта.
У Шаравина это признание было уже перед самой смертью. Коптелов тоже это сообщает.
Все свидетели сообщают о той картине, о которой я говорю.

Эта загадка прекрасно объясняется тем, что там был найден также Золотарёв.
Наверно, Дорошенко лежал раздетым у кедра (у него испортились отношения с Зиной, но Зина нашла другого), поэтому Золотарёв был найден рядом с Зиной. Но фотографиях они часто находятся вместе.

Почему-то Золотарёв был вывезен тайно, но поиски были проведены с участием студентов, \понмиая, что они ничего не поймут. Место на схеме склона, где он был найден четвёртым ярдом с Зиной, зачёркнуто.
Я допускаю, что Золотарёв был отвезён в Москву для исследования воздействия нового вещества на труп.

Как вы объясняете ситуацию, что Зина перемещалась одна? Группа не должна была разделяться, как Юдин.
Она определённо перемещалась в паре из мужчин, а затем ревнивцы побежали их догонять, при этом они были соперниками и двигались отдельно.

Десятый человек (Александер) не обязательно присутствовал в походе, он мог возникнуть в последний момент, так же как и Семён возник в последний день, для выполнения задания. Кстати, Семён нигде не упоминается в дневнике во время похода. Поэтому Александр тоже мог быть не упомянут. Он мог быть доставлен на санях. В дневнике группы написано, что олени дальше не пошли (т.е. вернулись), а человек пошёл дальше.

[SURI]

I have to say that your explanation sounds like complete sci-fi to me.

So no longer Doroshenko on the slope, because it didn't work, so we'll put Zolotaryov there.. Your new photo doesn't work either. How could a frozen Krivonischenko have frozen hands in a different position? First, compare the photos to see that the real photo with Krivonischenko (hands) is the same at the cedar and in the morgue.

[SURI]

Now let's go back to comparing the photos in more detail. I chose the photo that is best to compare with.

Let's say that in the new photo, based on the clothes and other details on the side under the hand, it could be Krivonischenko, but how do you explain the different position of the hands, assuming that the body is frozen?





When enlarged and under a magnifying glass, the same mark appears on the left side of the body in both photos. There are visible dots forming a circle. Maybe an imprint of something.

[Axelrod]

All candidates:




Yury K.


Yury D.


Igor Dyatlov.

[SURI]

Here I see the same mark on the naked body just below the hand in both photos. You can see it clearly in the new picture. I was confused by the hands before, so I didn't pay that much attention.

[SURI]

Whatever it is, whether it forms a circle or something else, it's visible in the same place in both photos.

[Axelrod]

Tipikin also says (writes):

...Then he went to show me the way to the cedar. When I came out into a small clearing to the right of the cedar, I saw two bodies lying nearby. I immediately recognized Yura Krivonischenko in the closest one. It was impossible to mistake this because of the amazing shape of his ears. He was lying on his back, face up, practically naked to his underwear. The color of his face and the exposed areas of his legs and arms were somehow unreal: a beautiful chocolate skin color, which the natives of the Mediterranean countries are famous for.

Next to Krivonischenko lay Doroshenko's body (or so we were told), but his face was not visible. Both bodies lay parallel with their feet toward the cedar. I was asked about the position of the bodies relative to the fire. My respected authors of the questions, judge for yourselves: we had just arrived at the pass, and at that moment I had no idea about any fire.

Soon a group of searchers who had arrived earlier came down the slope with a homemade drag, on which they had probably lifted the bodies of Dyatlov and Kolmogorova, packed and loaded Doroshenko's body onto the drag, and dragged it up to the pass. One of the searchers remained below and I heard him grumbling that they (?) could not send a light sled. Then, after some time, Moisei and Sergey came up. Unlike me, they had something to see in the tent, because they were already recognized leaders and knew how to see and read what flew past my attention. Soon they lowered a drag for us and it was our turn to lift Krivonischenko's body up. So Sogrin is right: he saw 3 bodies up there, including Doroshenko, who was lifted before Krivonischenko.


ORIGINAL
 Тогда он пошёл показывать мне дорогу к кедру. Когда я вышел на небольшую поляну справа от кедра, то увидел два рядом лежащих тела. В ближнем я сразу же узнал Юру Кривонищенко. В этом ошибиться было невозможно из-за удивительной формы его ушей. Он лежал на спине лицом вверх, практически раздетый до белья. Каким-то нереальным был цвет его лица и обнаженных участков ноги и руки: красивый шоколадный цвет кожи, которым славятся коренные жители стран Средиземноморья.

Рядом с Кривонищенко лежало тело Дорошенко (так нам сказали), но лица его не было видно. Оба тела лежали параллельно ногами в сторону кедра. Мне задали вопрос о положении тел относительно костра. Уважаемые мои авторы вопросов, посудите сами: мы только что прилетели на перевал, и ни о каком костре я в тот момент вообще никакого понятия не имел.

Вскоре по склону спустилась группа ранее прилетевших поисковиков с самодельной волокушей, на которой, возможно, они поднимали тела Дятлова и Колмогоровой, упаковали и погрузили на волокушу тело Дорошенко, и потащили вверх на перевал. Один из поисковиков остался внизу и я слышал, как он ворчал, что они никак не могут прислать легкие сани. Потом, через какое-то время подошли Моисей и Сергей. В отличие от меня, им было что посмотреть в палатке, ведь они уже тогда были общепризнанными лидерами и умели видеть и читать то, что пролетало мимо моего внимания. Вскоре нам спустили вниз волокушу и настала наша очередь поднимать наверх тело Кривонищенко. Так что Согрин прав: наверху он видел 3 тела, включая Дорошенко, которого подняли перед Кривонищенко.

[Axelrod]

Sogrin says:
On the first of March I, Akselrod, Tipikin, Ivanov L. N. were dropped at the scene of the accident. We were greeted by a large group of people tightly wrapped in and wearing ski caps. The wind blew snow in the face and tried to throw you off the plateau. Quickly loaded into the helicopter Dyatlov group belongings and several people. Behind the large cliff lay 3 bodies already pulled up to the helipad.

ORIGINAL (Sheet 333): Первого марта я, Аксельрод, Типикин, Иванов Л. Н. были высажены на место аварии. Встретила нас большая группа людей сильно закутанная в подшлемниках. Ветер бросал снег в лицо и пытался сбросить с плато. Быстро погрузили в вертолет вещи Дятлова и нескольких людей. За большим камнем лежало 3 трупа уже вытащенных наверх на вертолетную площадку.

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-330-339?rbid=17743

[SURI]

This photo from the website

https://dyatlovpass.com/post-mortem?lid=1&flp=1

it says it's Kolmogorova and Krivonischenko. But I see 3 bodies at this cliff as mentioned above. I marked the hand of the 3rd body in red (right side). It looks like it's the right hand and the body is lying on its stomach. It's not Krivonischenko's hand. His hand is bent close to his head.

[Axelrod]

The described picture of events is very similar to the fact that the tenth corpse was really on the pass and was loaded into a helicopter and taken away on March 1, before Doroshenko's corpse was dragged into its place.

Sogrin could not have noticed Doroshenko's corpse at the moment of disembarking from the helicopter, because Tipikin arrived with the same helicopter, then Tipikin went to the tent.
Then Tipikin went from the shawl to the cedar and saw Doroshenko's corpse there, which was raised only after that. This lasted for several hours.

[Arjan]

According to the photos available at Dyatlovpass.com, two bodies had been found lying next to each other, close to the cedar.

One body has been identified as Yuri Kri: he is visible with a raised underarm.

The other body - found face down - is very probably (95% or more certainty) Yuri Dor., because;
- the body is some 10 - 15 centimeters taller
- the back of his head resembles the shape of the head and placement and shape of ears as visible on Yuri Dor.'s photo below.



It is quite factual that Yuri Kri and Yuri Dor had been found lying next to each other.
Of course only factual, within a reliability limit of 95 % centainty that is feasible in case no photos of the search party had been composed/manipulated in the dark room during development afterwards.

[Arjan]

The journalist collective Aleksej Rakitin provide many details about the life of Semyon.

If only 10 % of this information is correct, Semyon has had at least 7 lifes:
- one as soldier in the Red Army during the Great War
- one as surviving the purgaries of the army under rule of Stalin after the Great War (soldiers had encountered too much luxury in the West)
- one as instructor
- one as being allowed to travel without much trouble in Russia
- one as being parachuted in the Dyatlov Group
- one as being accepted within this Dyatlov Group within one or two days
- one as (in name???) found with tatoos on his arm and buried in the grave with a tomb with his name placed on it.

I will not speculate further on the life of Semyon, let him rest in peace.

For discussion I will add that within the Great War, identity change/fraude had been very very easy due to the high casualty rate and the high need of new personel.
The Russian army had been some three times renewed during the Great War by new conscripts and by mixing old groups: identity papers had not been carefully checked during several of these resuffling/renewing.
The first series of Mad Men shows how Don Draper had swapped identy.

Next to this, I would not topple from amasement from my chair in case a local person had joint the group as guide.
This local person - with tatoos on his underarm - and with a headshape similar to Semyon had been found near the stream without eyeballs.

The Dyatlov case is a so-called 'closed-room case', without a way out.
But brief analysis shows that an unnoticed escape is possible from the so-called 'close-room'.
A tenth group member may have comparable easy survived the tragedy of the others by:
1. surviving the cold night in the tent with all the blankets as insulation against the cold and
2 returning in the tracks made the days before, to return to Vizhay and Ivdel.

If these last two conditions are met and if the 10th member had made it during one day to 2nd, this 10th group member had survived the fate of the other nine group members.
Candidates for number 10 may/might be:
- Yuri Yudin
- Semyon

Of course number 10 - local guide/Semyon - may have NOT survived the cold night.
The dead body of Semyon may well have been found elsewhere within the area and transported separately, and unnoticed for the first search party. 
 

[GlennM]

In support of this theory all that is needed is a tent full of blankets for a cozy night sleep and a trail of footprints made by walking backwards to Vizhay. I prefer the idea of nine hikers being affected by a slab slide at the tent and another at the ravine.

[Arjan]

@ Glenn and others members

In my contribution above, I have not any factual proof that this has happened in reality, but it had been possible.
Remember: the tent had offered space for 10 group members.

The possible 10th group member my have left with the tenth pair of skis.
This possible 10th group member had travelled on the 10th pair of skis with the 10th rucksack filled with the necessary food and an empty water bottle, some spare clothes and one or tow blankets.

The advantage for this 10th group member is: she/he does not have to trail a track, because the track had been made already by the group one or a few days before.

Only a very experienced guide would have noted that the skipoles had been used in the reversed direction.
This would very probably have been overlooked by students in the first search party.

Within this scenario the possible 10th group member may have left unnoticed by the first search party.
She/he may well have made the hike from the tent site to 2nd within one day, while she/he would not have to make tracks and she/he had carried a rucksack of around 10 - 12 kg instead of 35 kg before.

In my opinion an option that fits within exploring the possibility of a 10th group member.

[GlennM]

I submit the 10th person was Old Man Winter. He stuck around until Spring.

[Axelrod]

I submit the 10th person was Old Man Winter. He stuck around until Spring.

I think you are right in some ways.
The tenth corpse was taken away immediately with the arrival of spring, on March 1.
The rest of the corpses were taken away later.

[Axelrod]

A contradicion

28.2 (February 28) 1707 (17h07min)

...Dogs today could not do anything, the snow was deep. Three bodies were transported to the heli pad. The FOURTH will be picked up tomorrow his face - completely unrecognizable therefore there is an opinion that this is Doroshenko and not Zolotaryov. They are both the biggest guys. ...


The last corpse under cedar

[Axelrod]

In short, corpse of Zolotaryov was loaded into the departing helicopter,  and then the body of the raised Doroshenko was put in his place behind the stone (monument), and then Krivonischenko. Zolotaryov's mother was given compensation in early March. It was unclear who was lying in the stream with a tattoo.

Question 12. Upon arrival, did you load the things and tent of the dead into the helicopter? Did anyone fly away from the pass on this helicopter?

[TIPIKIN]: As far as I remember, we did not load anything into the helicopter. Upon arrival at the pass, we immediately headed to Dyatlov's tent, and from there down to the cedar. And we climbed up to the pass already harnessed to the sleds with the bodies of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko. Thus, we simply did not have time to watch the helicopter, and there was no need either.