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June 10, 2025, 06:48:58 AM
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It's very obvious.
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June 11, 2025, 05:22:36 PM
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What's very obvious OJ 72?
 

June 11, 2025, 06:23:57 PM
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Somebody spazzed out in the tent. My probable scenario is the mood was "black as hell" and people were grumbling about wanting to camp in the forest, peeing right outside the tent, the smell of other peoples B.O in such close proximity, and Igor lost the plot and started cutting open the tent while telling everyone to get out and go camp in the forest with nothing. He then threw his own jacket down in disgust and to prove he didn't need one either and followed the ravine group leaving the shoe'd footprints that stepped on socked footprints from behind. IMHO this presents the simplest solution. What happened in the ravine I'm still trying to work out for myself and my own satisfaction, since the answers are likely to never be known.
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June 19, 2025, 05:24:13 AM
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Not sure it was Igor, although the conflict would almost certainly be between him and Semyon and come at the moment of highest stress on the trek, up on 1079, and in close confinement inside the tent, which wasn't ridge supported so the sides would tend to bring people into each other's faces more as they sat down to eat and rest a bit.

Igor's petulance on previous hikes is documented, and he wished to lead, as did a man who never made it to Officer class and spent his life teaching students and was a known quitter, jobs and marriage, so may well bail-out on 1079 and persuade some of the others to do the same and make a snow den.

I think the sole exit, the tent flap end, was likely blocked by the others, either accidentally or deliberately, and so some mutineers cut their way out. They were not allowed to take anything which helped insulate the tent, including skis as these lined the floor. The damage to the tent, the adrenaline of the stand-off, and the angry recriminations which followed, and the young men in the tent having expended so much energy in digging the trench, all led to a gradual hypothermic situation IMO, and the disorientation that can involve.

While remaining at the tent the other 5 would be worried the mutineers would take everything from the cache and follow their own tracks back to Vizhay, snow denning along the way.

The tent group then descended the mountain, most likely at Zina's insistence when Yuri Doro started to show the effects of the cold. They did not take wood cutting tools as they planned to make their own den, but at the foot of 1079 Plan B, a fire, took over when the 2 Yuri's were affected with frostbite and so 3 had to make a den for 5. They had matches in their pockets to keep them dry.

When the fire failed to save the Yuris, who burned themselves while semi-conscious or fitting, the remaining 3 of Igor's group probably attacked the others in the small den in order to secure it for themselves as the only survivor resource. Logs would be taken from the fire and 4 people blinded by torches. This may even be what some of Semyon's photo's, taken on the camera he took from the tent, represent, taken during an earlier scouting mission to the den, the position found by the snow spoil.

Three men were hit on the head to render them unconscious and they were dragged to the ravine, their bodies falling without any attempt to break their fall, so no broken collar bones or hand injuries and the impacts absorbed by chest walls. Lyuda was straddled and thumbs pressed into her throat until she passed out, kicking and scratching., causing Zina's baton bruise and the scratches to Igor's underarm. She came round in the ravine and suffered a second fall when she tried to climb out in the dark. She heard Tibo groan and placed her hat on him.

The unique thing about this mystery is we instantly know so much about the hikers that we cannot imagine them doing anything bad to each other, even if they become split into two adversarial groups and the human survival instinct, that panic, kicked in. But what probably happened was there in plain sight all along, and even alluded to in the autopsies where the pathologist distinguished between the ravine 4 dying 'due to violence' and the others 'a violent death'. One at the hands of others, the rest due to Mother Nature.
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason.
 
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June 19, 2025, 10:08:50 AM
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I agree with you partially. What is certain is that 2 groups formed there and opposed each other. However, it was not in this form, but in the reverse scheme.

I think the three on the slope were not coming back from anywhere, because they didn't even get any further. Slobodin didn't even have a cap on his ears, Dyatlov has irregularities in his socks, Zina didn't put on a face mask and they preferred to "voluntarily" freeze to death.

Torches were used from the fire for 2 Yuris at the cedar. That was the main reason for starting the fire – to get Yuris out of the tree. This caused burns and Y. Doroshenko's fall from the cedar onto branches dropped from the tree.

As for Semyon's photos, they could have been taken during the event. He needed to get evidence. Two of them show a burning branch in the forest.

I completely agree with your last sentence, albeit in reverse order. One at the hands of others (slope, cedar), rest due to Mother Nature (4ravine).
 

June 20, 2025, 08:03:40 PM
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What's very obvious OJ 72?

I really wish Ziljob would realize it. The Communist Ideal must be protected. Zolo didn't do anything but get the girls talking. How is Zolo a quitter when he has lived more? Zolo is a flawed human and he is the one that tried. The ones with less clothes "DIDNT GET THE WORK DONE." Dont expect to warm up by the fire with my pauper tent..
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June 21, 2025, 05:09:26 AM
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What's very obvious OJ 72?

I really wish Ziljob would realize it. The Communist Ideal must be protected. Zolo didn't do anything but get the girls talking. How is Zolo a quitter when he has lived more? Zolo is a flawed human and he is the one that tried. The ones with less clothes "DIDNT GET THE WORK DONE." Dont expect to warm up by the fire with my pauper tent..

What am I to realise? I'm not sure what you mean by the communist ideal being protected . What is it being protected from ?

Tourists or hiking in the west has been a historical part of education and sports all over the world, long before Dyatlov pass. Accidents happened before and after 1959 under many ideologies.The weather , bad luck and/or bad planning seem to be the dominating factor.

I struggle with any reasoning that any individual or combination of a split in the group dynamics would cause the group in its entirety to all leave the tent and it's resources for some some sort of lesson for the communist ideal . Especially with the rather odd combination of footwear found on the hikers.

I'm not sure what you mean by referring to Zolo , are you replying to Eurocentric?

For context , I think it's good to read about other hikes in the area. The reports follow a similar standard, they write reports about their comrades efforts in responsibility, leadership during the hike, like a school report , good points and bad points . This is normal and done in the west too.

I can't rule out some internal competitiveness or friction , but I can't see it to the point of everyone leaving the tent , they would know the danger of this.
 
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June 26, 2025, 07:53:48 AM
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Is there any demerit points in this group for plagiarism. Just asking ( you know who you are ).
 

June 26, 2025, 08:54:14 AM
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That's quite the vague accusation you're leveling at someone in reference to a public case.
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