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June 05, 2026, 03:37:45 PM
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GlennM


I read that the lack of histological tests is possible justification to re open the case. What are those tests going to yield? To me, the priority would be first and foremost, locating the original samples. Once any samples were obtained, I can only think that poisoning would be the one and only thing to be ruled out. Does anybody seriously believe the group was accidentally or intentionally poisoned? I think not.! Further I do not think hallucinogens as a poison were involved . The hikers left the tent in far too straight a line.

Later, the rescue team drank the alcohol. Canned goods were appropriated. Nobody died.Nobody flipped out.

What I think is going on is the missing histological reports is the proverbial thin entering wedge to open and widen this case. To what end? To better assess the 1959 case records and revise them. Next, to discredit the loose and sensationalistic commentary by persons directly and indirectly associated with the case. Exhuming 60+ year old remains is not going to reveal much.

What I would like to see is whether there is a link between the geological activities at the time and the DPI. I would like to see the weather report that Teddy could not get without paying a ransom for. I would like confirmation that there was no military activity nor cover up associated with the DPI.  I want confirmation of any meteorite or bolide which would link to a slab slide.
I would like wind tunnel tests and computer modelling.

Personally, I think it is all down to weather...except the DP9 acted differently in many regards than I would given the circumstances.
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June 06, 2026, 01:42:49 AM
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Only the weather as the cause of DP9's death does not fit with this statement by Ivanov:

„The true causes of the deaths were hidden from the people, and only a few knew these reasons: the former first secretary of the regional committee A.P. Kirilenko, the second secretary of the regional committee A.F. Eshtokin, the regional prosecutor N. I. Klimov and the author of these lines, who were investigating the case“

And the rocket theory does not correspond to these words of Ivanov:

„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people“.

Conclusion:
So there was something to hide, but it wasn't rockets.
 

June 06, 2026, 06:32:25 AM
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Killing 9 Soviet athletes questing for Master of Sport is bad politics. These people exemplify Russian ideals to friends and community youth.The national government was putting its best foot forward. Killing kids in the middle of nowhere is wrong headed thinking and a policy which only produces public distaste for authority.

Additionally those brave souls who later advocate for that unlikely murderous explanation would gamble with their own lives if there  were a kernel of truth in any of it.

...Or

It is sensationalized smoke and mirrors invention designed to make money off the dead because it is all make believe conspiracies.

The conundrum for me is reconciling the deliberate deaths of nine people in a remote location ostensibly to make some sort of example of them, which of course did not happen. On the other hand those few officials who knew to keep quiet did not keep their mouths shut.  This is all nonsense on stilts.






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June 10, 2026, 03:08:49 PM
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I read that the lack of histological tests is possible justification to re open the case.

Personally, I think it is all down to weather...except the DP9 acted differently in many regards than I would given the circumstances.

You bring up weather a lot as the cause of what happened. How about a thorough explanation that the weather caused all the separate incidents, at the tent site and on the slope and at the forest and in the so-called ravine. 
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June 10, 2026, 05:56:35 PM
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My position on the matter is that the hikers made little progress on their last hiking day because of the weather. I believe they made camp relatively early and as soon as they excavated and levelled a place for skis, they pitched their tent. The result was that the tent was exposed to the wind and snow buildup for an even longer period of time than what would be considered normal.

When the tent collapsed under the crush of snow, the group determined that under the conditions they could not get ahead of the elements in order to clear, repair and repitch their tent. They intended to sort things out when the weather abated.

The descent to the woods was longer and more hazardous than anticipated. The cold was relentless. Everything that happened in the woods was a consequence of trying to keep protected from the elements of wind and cold.

My guess is that the bad weather did not abate as they may have hoped. Heroisms were in vain,  plans were compromised and Nature was indifferent. Bad things happen to good people.
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June 24, 2026, 02:02:05 PM
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My position on the matter is that the hikers made little progress on their last hiking day because of the weather.

But according to what you are suggesting, the group had plenty of time at the tent site after the snow incident. In that case, why did they flee to the treeline without their equipment and adequate clothing to survive the harsh weather conditions?
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June 24, 2026, 09:34:34 PM
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I believe but can not prove the last camp was made because the group did not want to be thought of as failures beaten back by weather. The diaries give me the sense the the group was individually and collectively strong willed. Nobody was going to whine about rough weather because there was no reason to whine. It was a winter excursion.. Forester Rempel warned Igor about the inadvisability of taking the route  to Ortoten. The group had a timetable to keep, so they went. It was just some rough weather. The group diary says as much. They pushed against the weather because it was their choice, a challenge, reward and there was a deadline. Zolo perhaps was not interested in a challenge as much as the reward of certification. Photos showed him being pleasant.  I believe he needed work Opportunity and timing got him on the hike. He apparently did not pay anyone off to get a spot in the group. They thought they could overcome bad weather as evidenced by their last camp site. .After all they did get up the Auspya valley by trail blazing deep snow. It would make for a good drinking story later on at home, or with cigarettes and coffee if you prefer. Some smoked.

Yes, they took time to pitch the tent and by all indications were ready to settle in for the night. Nobody helped them in or out. Footprints, or lack thereof suggest they did not have outside help or interference two or four legged with their tent. Having taken off heavy ski pants leads me to believe they were getting ready for bed. Perhaps Russians sleep in their ski pants, I don't know. The unknown compelling force or snow slide, as I prefer to call it.collapsed the tent and broke some supports. That is what the rescuer photos reveal. I suppose in the dark, the damage and concern about an actual avalanche motivated them to leave. They did leave the tent. Nine sets of footprints going downhill. Was that better than staying? I don't know but It is exactly what they did. I can only guess that their hike to the woods, equipped as they were, was enacted from a combination of things. One thing is they may have misjudged the distance, or maybe they were just better at estimating distances than I am.. Another thing is that bad weather eventually improves. Was the weather bad? The buildup in the ravine and the scouring around the raised footprints suggest it.  The storm that is Jupiter's red spot is 300 years old, according to records.It had a beginning and someday it will end. Waiting for the weather improvement at the tent did not happen for the DP9. Yet another motivation is that there was no alternative place to go or practical way to make the camp repairs until conditions improved. How can I say this? I say it because they were experienced but they did not do go to Boot Rock, their cache nor did they stitch up the tent. Were they scared off? By what? These were adults, one much more experienced. Can you be afraid of the weather?  Making a fire and getting out of the wind is sensible. Doing that just outside the collapsed tent would be hard, I think.They had what they needed for a short hop to the woods and back by breakfast the next day. They had non slip valenkis, matches, big knives, a light and body coveriings. They could scrounge up firewood, dry off any wet clothes and wait it out. That is exactly what they did. They could shelter in a ravine. They did that too. They could try to return to the tent. So they did. Nature wasn't so obliging. A fatalist would claim it was their pre ordained destiny. Humans are imaginative. One form of it is called hope or wishful thinking. Calculative reasoning is another. I've tried both. I would,say that anyone who stays calm in a crisis just does not know all the facts. I've done that too. Some people will want to relive the experience to prove a point. That happens on occasion at Dyatlov Pass. I trust they act responsibly and report truthfully.
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