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[Teddy]

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[Teddy]

Actually Teddy what I was thinking about a lot lately is that you do seem very adamant that the remains in the Zolotaryov grave are not the remains of Semyon. And at first I didn't understand why you could be so quick to express that sentiment in light of those DNA results from KP. But this morning it kind of struck me that you spoke to some effect that Semyon had gold teeth and when the exhumation failed to produce gold teeth you seemed rather shocked when you were doing the radio show. Is this why you believe more or less that a John Doe rests in Semyon Zolotaryov's grave?

I am not quick with or withholding information because I have underlying understanding (I am not going to even use the theory word) about what is going on. Loose}{Cannon thinks I am unbiased where I am just slow. I don't have the luxury to process the information and form an opinion. You are saying I reacted to the fact the skull didn't have a single golden cap. It wasn't because of what it meant, it was because I had written on the site that he had golden teeth so I had to go all over the sources and see who said it, where did I take it from, because everything on this case is copied from somewhere. The heroism is to find a good source, that's all. The golden teeth were all over the internet. Every site mentions it. It took me days to track it down to Sogrin. To me the fact means nothing. I was worried what else did I take from this source and was it trusted. I didn't think the person in the grave is not Zolotaryov, one has to first trace the source who said he had golden teeth. The skull is real, the information is.... nothing in this case is solid.

My goal and role has always been to publish information in the structure of the site (dyatlovpass.com) which means translating. The rare publications I have in the forum are my meager contribution to your party. On the site I need to find a proper image, clean, translate, or write. I don't just post what comes into mind or publish a link. This is the difference between social media, forums and the site. It takes longer to publish. One fact is true - for a journalist there is nothing more sacred than their sources. I just lost mine. So it will take much longer to dig up facts and it won't be the same. When I start writing something about Dyatlov Pass I have questions on every step. Questions that take days, and months to find the answer to. In the case of KP it takes me one day to transfer their article into the site with all embedded audio and video and then translate it and publish under the rubric where I have related articles. So it is faster than when I write an article. This is why the DNA results came faster, and not because I have a sentiment in light of those DNA results. I was watching KP because I was waiting for the article where they will publish the image below, because I knew Loose}{Cannon wanted to publish whatever he wanted to publish. I told him to wait for this article to come out, because to me this image would make a nice centerpiece.


I don't know if you watched Channel 1 video but the expression on Tatyana Versegova's face said it all - Channel 1 went behind their back and did a second DNA. So the next KP article would not be about the scapula because they had the DNA sensation on their hands. This photo belongs to KP and will not be published, most likely because the KP is fed up with the scandals surrounding Dyatlov case.

I also noticed that Loose}{Cannon is challenging me on the topic of where do I see evidence of murder. Please, take my word for it, I am so tired and so behind everything I want to publish, that I do not have an opinion. I just tried to play along, and I do not want to start another scandal. I don't know if they were murdered, or how. I find it hard to believe that the man in the grave is not Zolotaryov not because of the evidence, but just purely intuitively not wanting to take this step into the twilight zone. It is not supported by any facts. I am just along for the ride. Peace.

[CalzagheChick]

This is a lot of information to digest. But I completely get it. And I respect it. I respect the fact that every time something comes out, you're having to second guess sources and trace facts back to their origin. I remember reading about a golden smile in the Six Hours To Live book that I read fairly recently. I specifically remember that sentence because it's one of the first times other than through you that I saw a reference to gold teeth.

I have owed you an apology from the beginning not because of some new understanding, but because I was simply angry that at 5:00am, I went to log on and the forum was just gone "due to differences" which meant that all of our arguments and conversations were just gone. I was mad that we weren't given a heads up to save anything we might want like a good argument we wrote or had with another member. I had no idea that it would be back up hours later. I had no idea when it came back up that it would stay up or what was going to happen with the entire scandal that broke. So, I apologize sincerely for taking my anger out directly on you, Teddy. You did not deserve it. This whole thing that happened isn't something of your doing. I don't believe you've had malicious intent.

All of that being said, my apology I extend to you and you alone, not other parties involved. I saw many things happening and from my end it still looks bad. Obviously I don't have a full story. There are two sides to everything and you have your reasons for taking whatever actions you find necessary. I don't think you're the type to make rash decisions. I think you make calculated decisions. But from our view, it really just looked like you were being bullied and somebody else had a stronghold on your work.

I realize now that it's none of my business. It never was. So please accept my apologies as they are as sincere as sincere gets. I'm just a devout Catholic American that wants answers but not at the price it seems it's costing. I think I care more about their dignity now than I do about knowing for a fact what happened to those kids.

I guess that's the beauty of this whole thing. My view is evolving.

[Teddy]

I suspended the forum so we can all get some sleep and stop posting things we will regret. No apologies needed and all accepted. I think this case is driving everybody mad. I am taking some time off because I was really hurting. I hope you will behave, not only towards me, but towards each other.

[Loose}{Cannon]

and stop posting things we will regret

That would be me!     

[CalzagheChick]

Whatever, LC. You and I have actually been doing some really great work in the last two days not involving any of the things that went on. I can't believe the things we are finding in the nooks and cranies of the internet right now.

[Loose}{Cannon]

IM SORRY!   

[CalzagheChick]

I can say without hesitation that I would much rather be reading a book written by Teddy than any of the titles associated heavily with the DPI.

[Vietnamka]

. it was because I had written on the site that he had golden teeth so I had to go all over the sources and see who said it, where did I take it from, because everything on this case is copied from somewhere. The heroism is to find a good source, that's all. The golden teeth were all over the internet. Every site mentions it. It took me days to track it down to Sogrin

If you didn't find yet.
Original source is https://fotki.yandex.ru/next/users/fond-dyatlov/album/261442/view/518153?page=1
It is not Sogrin's memories (Natalya made mistake), its Bogomolov's, member of Sogrin's group.

вдруг Сергей привел в комнату довольно необычного человека с кавказской внешностью и представил:-Семен Золотарев, просится в наш поход! - Зовите меня просто Саша,- сказал этот кавказский Семен, сверкнув фиксами, что для нас тоже было непривычным. Семен был значительно, лет на пятнадцать, старше нас но мы не придали этому значения"

You can translate better than me.
Bogomolov used the word "фиксами" that means "crowns" (plural). It's criminal slang.  He didn't mention from which metal  crowns made. But in criminals, as a ground of membership, were very popular golden "фиксы".
I don't know way everybody decide that Semen had a golden tooth 

[Teddy]

We can say "фиксы" is caps. Speaking of the golden teeth I copied it from Rakitin interesmir.ru "He was single, which looked rather unusual for that time, had tattoos and gold false teeth (the latter indicated the prosperity of their owner, in those years the main material of dental prostheses was steel)" but the book is known to have other misleading information which he doesn't care to fix. On this page for example there are photos of the tent that he says were found in the cameras of the dead tourists while "my sources" said (because I had the photos up) these photos are from the earlier hike (1957 or 58). They were posted by Koskin but originally they are from the Dubinin's family archive. Here are some details. 

Going back to the golden teeth I said Sogrin because I heard Tatyana in "In fact" ("На самом деле"). I also had on my site a photo of Alexey Rakitin. It was very hard to find a photo of him so I was very proud of myself.


Galina (aka Vietnamka) send me a mail

Dear Teddy, it is not Alexey Rakitin!)))
It is the Russian singer  https://studio57.ru/2015/01/aleksejj-rakitin-plastika-banev/))))))
Nobody has seen  Rakitin and nobody knows how he looks like))) but he is not young and "Rakitin" is not his real name.

Since then I had always who to ask about things. What's "Краги", have any of the tourists been on the pass before, how were they signaling back to the helicopters, could that been mistaken for dead bodies, about Korotaev, about Ivanov, about Kizilov, how the tent was buttoned, were the skis under the tent upside down and it goes on.

Now to the rest of the readers - I do like to have information brought to me on a silver platter. The Russian expression is on a platter with blue border.
Ostap Bender in "Golden Calf" says: "I will arrange it so that he will bring his money to me on a silver platter with blue border!"


I like that, I like that a lot. Don't spoil it for me. Don't do this


Think of how you can benefit from Galina stopping by - she is a walking encyclopedia about the case. And she is contributing unsolicited information "on a plate with blue border" (на блюдечке с голубой каёмочкой). Don't kick the plate while I am eating, please.

[Vietnamka]

The plate will be full. I like to cook.

[Teddy]

That was close


This is funny in more than one way.