Shock trauma of Rav4

[amashilu]

Many times on this forum, I have read about the theory that the Rav4 fell through a snow cornice, were trapped, and died there. I want to be able to agree that that is plausible, but I keep being troubled by the incredible shock trauma of their wounds. From what you know of the human body and trauma, do you believe a fall through a snow cornice could do this?

For example, from this site under DEATHS (Zolotaryev):  "... excerpt from the interrogation of forensic expert of the Regional Forensic Investigation Bureau Boris Vozrozhdenniy led by Junior Counselor of Justice and Criminal Prosecutor of Sverdlovsk region, Lev Ivanov, on May 28, 1959:  These wounds, especially appearing in such a way without any damage to the soft tissue of the chest, are very similar to the type of trauma that results from the shock wave of a bomb.

Another example: One can't help but notice on Photo 82 at https://dyatlovpass.com/post-mortem, Zolotaryev's chest cavity not only took a blow or blast to the ribs that broke those bones, but his chest cavity was hit with such force, it blew everything contained therein down into his abdomen. Do you think falling through a snow cornice would create this kind of effect, or would it more necessari;y have to be some kind of shock wave or blast directly hitting the chest, as is quoted above?

[GlennM]

I do not think a bomb blast would push his internals unto his abdomen. The chest is collapsed and deflated. The abdomen suggests decomposition gas bloat. For me, a blast would affect the forest. It would be widespread among the hikers. It would produce scorch and deep burns. It would produce debris in a circular or elliptical pattern. Nothing of the sort was reported. Was it suppressed? There were too many civillian rescuer to keep such information quiet.

[Ziljoe]

Many times on this forum, I have read about the theory that the Rav4 fell through a snow cornice, were trapped, and died there. I want to be able to agree that that is plausible, but I keep being troubled by the incredible shock trauma of their wounds. From what you know of the human body and trauma, do you believe a fall through a snow cornice could do this?

For example, from this site under DEATHS (Zolotaryev):  "... excerpt from the interrogation of forensic expert of the Regional Forensic Investigation Bureau Boris Vozrozhdenniy led by Junior Counselor of Justice and Criminal Prosecutor of Sverdlovsk region, Lev Ivanov, on May 28, 1959:  These wounds, especially appearing in such a way without any damage to the soft tissue of the chest, are very similar to the type of trauma that results from the shock wave of a bomb.

Another example: One can't help but notice on Photo 82 at https://dyatlovpass.com/post-mortem, Zolotaryev's chest cavity not only took a blow or blast to the ribs that broke those bones, but his chest cavity was hit with such force, it blew everything contained therein down into his abdomen. Do you think falling through a snow cornice would create this kind of effect, or would it more necessari;y have to be some kind of shock wave or blast directly hitting the chest, as is quoted above?

Dear amashilu,

Many times on this forum, it has talked about bomb blasts, yetis, Kung foo  , UFO 's , KGB with blunt sticks and strangers jumping up and down on rib cages .

What do you mean by shock trauma of their wounds? There has been enough conversation by those at the time and so called experts suggesting crush injury.

It's not a blast injury, they are crush injuries ,falling or being crushed.  The example you give is only relative to the knowledge of ivanov. It's bullshit , it's uneducated knowledge, not an experienced professional opinion. Its a guess and a stab in the dark at best.


The photo of zolo shows nothing other than the aftermath of the autopsy, that's the cutting open of the chest and re-stiching . His mid to low ribs are still in place. If you have ever seen a person die , at death , the area below the ribs completely deflates, the air is expelled. I'm not sure what you think you are seeing that represents a blast to the ribs?

 ribs only protect the lungs and heart , the lungs inflate and go up and down. The lower edges of the rib cage protect the kidneys and liver to a certain extent. Zolos abdomen is also flat , it is just the lower ribs that are still in place .

[Ziljoe]

I didn't mean that to sound so harsh amashilu.its just that Ivanov seemed to go off on his own beliefs.

The conclusion part of the autopsy says the following "The above mentioned multiple fractures of Zolotaryov’s ribs with hemorrhaging into the pleural cavity were caused in vivo as an effect of a high-power impact to the chest of Zolotaryov at the moment of his fall, squeezing or throwing"

I think the photo is after they have cut him open and placed him back together.

I'm still aware that the ravine 4 have those injuries and they are basically next to the hard  stream bed . It would seem lyuda had time at some point to wrap the jumper sleeve around her foot and this seems to have been done at the ceder and that to me indicates that the rib fracture hadn't yet occurred. I can't think of anything that would case such a blast without causing other damage to clothing and the surrounding area .

It is interesting to note that Dyatlov had only one sock on one side and three socks on the other , this is unusual in that he didn't take time to address his footwear at the ceder or ravine to the regain the tent. Not unless some socks came off in the snow?.

[OLD JEDI 72]

People really don't like Ivanov lol. He can't be all wrong. And I did read a lil deeper into him and he was under orders from Sec1 and Sec2. I keep catching the word "elemental" in regard to the unknown force. That's not unknown. It means electricity.