Weather conditions and tracks

[Osi]

Scientific meteorological data indicates that there was no significant snowfall from the day the tent was set up until the day it was found by the explorers. However, examination of the evidence around the tent reveals otherwise. While no tracks were found along the route from the tent to the base, it is interesting that tracks leading from the tent down into the forest were only detected after an overnight stay. What does the presence of approximately 20 cm of snow on the tent fabric and the disappearance of all tracks from the base to the tent tell us? The group was caught in a heavy snowfall as they left the base. It was snowing in coarse grains in calm weather. Visibility was very low. They knew that conditions were much harsher on the edge of the forest and in the Lozva valley. We don't know what happened later that night. What we can be sure of is that there was only wind when they left the tent. It didn't snow until February 26th. This wind intensified towards dawn, and the cold reached levels that the group in the forest could not cope with. Even today, meteorological data may not be accurate, so I don't find it reliable to make assessments based on reports from 60 years ago or information from distant stations. Experts should reach a consensus on the weather forecast for the end of January by examining the relevant evidence and eyewitness accounts.
The people who found the tent wondered where their friends had gone. They saw footprints. Considering a group of nine, the reference values ​​visible to the naked eye are 5 and 6. If only six people had actually walked there, no one considered that six, seven, eight, or nine people had walked there. They assumed the whole group had gone down into the woods. They took several photos of the footprints from a horizontal perspective. The footprints were not marked with red tape. They followed them by walking over them. They were erased forever due to the numerous search teams that were circulating in the area in the following days. Today, based on the analysis of several photos and the statements of the first eyewitnesses, a fairly definite and official statement is being used: "Footprints belonging to 8 or 9 people have been identified." I think what needs to be worked on is the possibility that these tracks could belong to 6, 7, or 8 people. Two flashlights had been brought out just in case. They came in handy. During the truce, they left one working on top of the tent and the other 450 meters below, facing the divan. They couldn't have lost the flashlights. I think a few of them planned to return immediately after moving into the forest.

[Osi]

Experts are surprised to find a snowdrift under the flashlight. I don't see anything surprising about it. The flashlight, including the battery, weighs 300 grams. If it had been left there, it would have been blown away by the wind. Someone cleverly did something and compacted 40 cm of snow from above and below, mounting the flashlight inside this compacted snow. Over time, the snow on top was blown away, but the snow underneath was protected by the flashlight. The fact that the flashlights were deliberately left switched on near the tent and halfway down the path proves something to us: it reminds us that there is no threat to the tent other than nature itself – not Mansi, not soldiers, not aliens, not rocket gas – so that a few of them will return after half an hour.

[Javier]

I suppose we all accept as valid the idea that the entire group of hikers would return to the store to get their belongings, including their clothes, and we cannot forget that three of them tried and died while attempting it.

According to some forum participants, they point out that the serious injuries were suffered as a result of an avalanche while they were sleeping. In that case, if true... could the group walk to the forest, walking 1,500 meters with skull fractures and broken ribs? ...did they cause them while walking to the forest?.. or maybe once in the forest did they suffer those serious injuries?

I would appreciate your opinion.

[Osi]

The snow that fell throughout the day the tent was set up, followed by a sudden change in weather conditions, caused a snowdrift the size of a basketball court to hit the tent and slide down. This layer was neither deep enough to completely cover the tent, nor strong enough to drag the tent, which weighed 1 ton along with its occupants. However, I believe it severely injured the trio of Lyu, Tibo, and Semyon. They were then carried down into the forest by six people. Another version suggests that they all descended with minimal damage, but the four people in the valley were likely injured by a cave collapse or a fall into the cave from above. Ultimately, the cause of death was nature. You should be careful walking under roofs when it snows heavily.

[GlennM]

Yes, they could have suffered injuries at the tent, on the way to the woods or at the woods. Injuries at the tent would  surely leave blood. None was described. Injuries enroute could produce bleeding, but it would be obscured by wind and snow. Bleeding at the cedar and/ or ravine would have likely stained clothing and been found on the skin of the dead. For those with chest injuries, we know Lyuda swallowed blood. Zolo,,I am not so sure about. All the rest were unremarkable. Then we have to factor in the Nurse Solter version where bodies were cleaned up and returned to the woods. I find it improbable and probably criminal, even in those times.

Something to ponder is whether there is sufficient reason to believe that all the serious injuries that affected the group happened at one time and at one place. Usually, we associate the injuries with the place the hikers were found; Yuri's at the cedar, the R4 group and IRZ.  The closest anybody has come to that all in one solution is Igor and Teddy in their book 1079 with the tree fall theory. However, as with every other explanation, only certain aspects of the tragedy fit well, the other discrepancy is underplayed or ignored.

[sarapuk]

Scientific meteorological data indicates that there was no significant snowfall from the day the tent was set up until the day it was found by the explorers. However, examination of the evidence around the tent reveals otherwise. While no tracks were found along the route from the tent to the base, it is interesting that tracks leading from the tent down into the forest were only detected after an overnight stay. What does the presence of approximately 20 cm of snow on the tent fabric and the disappearance of all tracks from the base to the tent tell us? The group was caught in a heavy snowfall as they left the base. It was snowing in coarse grains in calm weather. Visibility was very low. They knew that conditions were much harsher on the edge of the forest and in the Lozva valley. We don't know what happened later that night. What we can be sure of is that there was only wind when they left the tent. It didn't snow until February 26th. This wind intensified towards dawn, and the cold reached levels that the group in the forest could not cope with. Even today, meteorological data may not be accurate, so I don't find it reliable to make assessments based on reports from 60 years ago or information from distant stations. Experts should reach a consensus on the weather forecast for the end of January by examining the relevant evidence and eyewitness accounts.
The people who found the tent wondered where their friends had gone. They saw footprints. Considering a group of nine, the reference values ​​visible to the naked eye are 5 and 6. If only six people had actually walked there, no one considered that six, seven, eight, or nine people had walked there. They assumed the whole group had gone down into the woods. They took several photos of the footprints from a horizontal perspective. The footprints were not marked with red tape. They followed them by walking over them. They were erased forever due to the numerous search teams that were circulating in the area in the following days. Today, based on the analysis of several photos and the statements of the first eyewitnesses, a fairly definite and official statement is being used: "Footprints belonging to 8 or 9 people have been identified." I think what needs to be worked on is the possibility that these tracks could belong to 6, 7, or 8 people. Two flashlights had been brought out just in case. They came in handy. During the truce, they left one working on top of the tent and the other 450 meters below, facing the divan. They couldn't have lost the flashlights. I think a few of them planned to return immediately after moving into the forest.

There were no weather stations at the site of the incident. Local weather conditions can vary, sometimes dramatically. 

[sarapuk]

Experts are surprised to find a snowdrift under the flashlight. I don't see anything surprising about it. The flashlight, including the battery, weighs 300 grams. If it had been left there, it would have been blown away by the wind. Someone cleverly did something and compacted 40 cm of snow from above and below, mounting the flashlight inside this compacted snow. Over time, the snow on top was blown away, but the snow underneath was protected by the flashlight. The fact that the flashlights were deliberately left switched on near the tent and halfway down the path proves something to us: it reminds us that there is no threat to the tent other than nature itself – not Mansi, not soldiers, not aliens, not rocket gas – so that a few of them will return after half an hour.

No threat to the tent, but a threat to those inside it, which is why they fled. They were very scared. They made their way downhill to the forest about a mile away, not properly dressed or equipped for those conditions.

[sarapuk]

I suppose we all accept as valid the idea that the entire group of hikers would return to the store to get their belongings, including their clothes, and we cannot forget that three of them tried and died while attempting it.

According to some forum participants, they point out that the serious injuries were suffered as a result of an avalanche while they were sleeping. In that case, if true... could the group walk to the forest, walking 1,500 meters with skull fractures and broken ribs? ...did they cause them while walking to the forest?.. or maybe once in the forest did they suffer those serious injuries?

I would appreciate your opinion.

By store, you must mean their tent! We can only speculate about where exactly they all received their injuries. But due to the extraordinary and catastrophic injuries of some of the group found in the ravine, it's highly unlikely that such injuries occurred at their tent.

[sarapuk]

Yes, they could have suffered injuries at the tent, on the way to the woods or at the woods. Injuries at the tent would  surely leave blood. None was described. Injuries enroute could produce bleeding, but it would be obscured by wind and snow. Bleeding at the cedar and/ or ravine would have likely stained clothing and been found on the skin of the dead. For those with chest injuries, we know Lyuda swallowed blood. Zolo,,I am not so sure about. All the rest were unremarkable. Then we have to factor in the Nurse Solter version where bodies were cleaned up and returned to the woods. I find it improbable and probably criminal, even in those times.

Something to ponder is whether there is sufficient reason to believe that all the serious injuries that affected the group happened at one time and at one place. Usually, we associate the injuries with the place the hikers were found; Yuri's at the cedar, the R4 group and IRZ.  The closest anybody has come to that all in one solution is Igor and Teddy in their book 1079 with the tree fall theory. However, as with every other explanation, only certain aspects of the tragedy fit well, the other discrepancy is underplayed or ignored.

Well put. A blood trail is not mentioned much, and obviously, with the injuries of the nature that many of them suffered, a blood trail of sorts should be expected. Where did the blood go!?