A look at DP through different tragedies

[Osi]

Reflecting on the Titanic disaster—a pivotal moment in history—I have occasionally asked myself: What if no one had survived? What if, for some reason, the lifeboats could not be launched? Imagine that no SOS signal was sent and, by dawn, the Titanic had vanished without a trace. What if the first rescue ship to reach the estimated coordinates encountered nothing but dozens of lifeless bodies in life jackets floating on the water? Given the technical limitations of the era, would we have ever known about that iceberg drifting southward? Or would the event have remained one of history’s greatest unsolved mysteries? If the Titanic had never been found and I had to formulate a theory about what happened, I would have suggested that the ship succumbed to the waves during a storm. I would have disputed the claim of an iceberg collision, arguing that even if the bow sustained a heavy blow, the engines would have stopped, and the ship would have continued to drift on the surface rather than sinking. What would your honest opinion be in such a scenario? If we were to compare this situation to the Dyatlov Pass incident—in terms of the effort to investigate, understand, and unravel the mystery—what would have happened had the Titanic become the subject of countless conspiracy theories, leaving us forever unaware that it sank after striking an iceberg? In all likelihood, a vast portion of the world's population would never have believed—or would have simply ignored—that truth. Ships or official delegations rushing to assist would not set out to track down an iceberg that had drifted five or six hours to the south merely to verify its existence.
To understand what might have transpired, people today would rely on eyewitness accounts or scientific data. Although the phenomenon of drifting icebergs is well known, their presence still required visual confirmation by lookouts on duty. Even if an authority reported clear skies or severe localized storms over the ocean, how truly convincing could such data be?
Is this not the case with many catastrophic events? The response focuses on immediate outcomes and saving lives. Because of this natural approach, the underlying truth of the event somehow slips from view. By the time it is noticed, too much time has passed, or the evidence no longer carries weight. As for the Malaysian plane heading toward the Indian Ocean...

[GlennM]

Osi, the Malaysian flight certainly gives weight to bad behavior, but that behavior may come from an individual as opposed to an organization. It is only natural to put the white hot spotlight on the pilot and then generalize to family and friends. It is only natural to forge some sort of logical connection. Logic is not truth, In the case of the aircraft, it is the circumstantial evidence that rules out a natural calamity.

The Titanic alternate reality scenario would also hinge on circumstantial evidence. Without eyewitness testimony, what would the likelihood of a collision with a berg be? We turn to the Californian, stopped by ice and radio communication logs. That would not stop a conspiracy theorist any more than the Hindenburg. Conspiracy theories share a common trait. They do not know the facts and what is not known is assumed. Even when proven wrong. They will claim. " Well. It could have gone like this".

Your examples point to the reality that the arrow of time only goes in one direction. Because of that when we look at the Ripper. DPI, Malaysian flight, in order to get closure we may never get the absolute truth, but enough evidence to be compelling.

In the case of the DPI, we can be a lumper or splittter. By this I mean we can look at the whole situation as a single happening and reason from that. For a lumping example. " No real mystery, they were in the wrong places at the wrong time and paid for it with their lives by freezing" For a splitting example, the tent, cedar, ravine and IRZ are all separately analyzed, understood and causally linked. This is of course the way the forum proceeds. We will always have disagreement. It is down to how much of what you know will make you happy.