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March 29, 2021, 09:16:14 AM
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Dona


...clothing by the ravine,  snowed on  for 3 months, is still on the surface?
 

March 29, 2021, 10:03:26 AM
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You just keep doing the same thing!  If you want to know you'll need to do reconstructions.  In the DPI, clothing was taken from the two deceased Yuris and the rescuers apparently found some near the "den," as if left there for the other three (the most obvious conclusion).  There are all kinds of "mysteries," which are almost always due to lack of understanding/knowledge, such as rocks that apparently move by themselves.  In one case similar to the DPI, a guy died in the tent because the wind was so strong it ripped open a hole in it, and he couldn't do anything because of a raging storm, so he froze to death clutching the tent pole.  The rescuers were initially puzzled that part of his body was quite decomposed but other parts were not.  They eventually figured out that during the day, the sun struck the parts of the body that decomposed but not the others.  The "big picture" is usually the best you can do in any case; all the details are usually not understood.  In crimes, motivation is often not known.  In the DPI, everything fits like a glove, except for details that would require reconstructions, and perhaps some of those reconstructions would need to be done in the same spot under the same weather conditions.
 

March 29, 2021, 10:25:54 AM
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People dont walk single file and fall to their deaths, one by one by one.. One doesnt need a recreation to see that.
 

March 29, 2021, 03:25:14 PM
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...clothing by the ravine,  snowed on  for 3 months, is still on the surface?
Just 3 weeks? The clothing indicates the depth of the snow in the ravine that night?
 

March 29, 2021, 03:30:43 PM
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Hmmm Did they find the spare clothing in February or May..?? I thought it was in  May.. it led them to the ravine area.. ?
 

March 29, 2021, 05:34:02 PM
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You just keep doing the same thing!  If you want to know you'll need to do reconstructions.  In the DPI, clothing was taken from the two deceased Yuris and the rescuers apparently found some near the "den," as if left there for the other three (the most obvious conclusion).  There are all kinds of "mysteries," which are almost always due to lack of understanding/knowledge, such as rocks that apparently move by themselves.  In one case similar to the DPI, a guy died in the tent because the wind was so strong it ripped open a hole in it, and he couldn't do anything because of a raging storm, so he froze to death clutching the tent pole.  The rescuers were initially puzzled that part of his body was quite decomposed but other parts were not.  They eventually figured out that during the day, the sun struck the parts of the body that decomposed but not the others.  The "big picture" is usually the best you can do in any case; all the details are usually not understood.  In crimes, motivation is often not known.  In the DPI, everything fits like a glove, except for details that would require reconstructions, and perhaps some of those reconstructions would need to be done in the same spot under the same weather conditions.

Everything fits like a glove ! ?  I dont think so.  More like a case of OJ Simpson trying on the gloves in that famous Court Room scene.
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March 29, 2021, 05:43:41 PM
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There was still plenty of snow around for weeks after the Incident at the Tent. So when the first Searchers started searching they wouldnt have been led to the Ravine by a Trail of Clothing and Tree Branches, because of a snow covering. It wasnt until the snow started thawing that the Trail was spotted.
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March 29, 2021, 05:57:42 PM
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Bt the snow over the den was 10 feet deep.. It didn't melt THAT much
 

March 29, 2021, 08:34:01 PM
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People dont walk single file and fall to their deaths, one by one by one.. One doesnt need a recreation to see that.

You are making assumptions and then saying that a mundane explanation that fits all the evidence can't be right because it doesn't explain the assumptions, even though those assumptions may be wrong!  For example, they could have been injured by all kinds of things, such as falling onto one of the many rocky protrusions that stud the mountain, or hit in the head by a tree branch (they supposedly broke off a lot of branches down by the tree line).  In the cold, with little protection, those things can cause quite serious injuries.  Moreover, it may be that one of the three guys found at the ravine site may have been carrying Lyudmila, which may have been even worse, in terms of falling onto the rocky creek.
 

March 30, 2021, 07:14:51 AM
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Then who is carrying Simon, Alex and Nick?  Ridiculous..
 

March 30, 2021, 07:17:05 AM
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The fact remains that 9 people were severely injured in a very short period of time.. most  are lethal wounds..And all with SINGLE lethal wounds..  There isnt anything in a snow covered environment that can do that. Impossible. Maybe if they were blind 80 year olds or a bunch of bubbling teenagers,in over their heads,  as your theory seems to imply.
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March 30, 2021, 09:01:38 AM
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An example of the impact of chemical weapons of a skunk (wolverine) in a tent:
http://1723.ru/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=5133&view=findpost&p=117054
 

March 30, 2021, 04:36:16 PM
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Bt the snow over the den was 10 feet deep.. It didn't melt THAT much

Well thats because it was drift snow. Even near Birmingham where I used to live, going back 50 years, we could get snow drifts at this hill that was called Barr Beacon ,236 m (774 ft). Ive seen Cars buried under 10 foot snow drifts on that hill. Yet only a few feet away there was hardly any snow.
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March 30, 2021, 05:00:05 PM
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Yes, I know.. I used to live in New Hampshire.. -5 degrees that winter :)

 Seems it was a distance from the ravine then.
 

March 30, 2021, 05:35:10 PM
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Found it.. The clothes were 45 feet from the ravine.. That makes a little more sense... I think ...lol