suitcase bomb

[tenne]

from the diary of ZINAIDA KOLMOGOROVA "Sasha Kolevatov tested his device, then quit."
Sasha, also known as Semyon, was added to the group by the authorities
A suitcase nuclear device is a tactical nuclear weapon that is portable enough that it could use a suitcase as its delivery method. Both the United States and the Soviet Union developed nuclear weapons small enough to be portable in specially-designed backpacks during the 1950s and 1960s

any thoughts on if there are any connections between this information? did something happen and the bomb went off and that's why it was covered up?

[Почемучка]

from the diary of ZINAIDA KOLMOGOROVA "Sasha Kolevatov tested his device, then quit."
Sasha, also known as Semyon, was added to the group by the authorities
A suitcase nuclear device is a tactical nuclear weapon that is portable enough that it could use a suitcase as its delivery method. Both the United States and the Soviet Union developed nuclear weapons small enough to be portable in specially-designed backpacks during the 1950s and 1960s

any thoughts on if there are any connections between this information? did something happen and the bomb went off and that's why it was covered up?

Саша испытывал туристские сани. Такой вид помощи самим себе - используют туристы всех стран. Альпинисты - тоже.
Вас, случаем, не Чарльз зовут? До этих пор - ресурс вроде бы не атаковали тролли. А Вы по всем проявлениям - именно тролль.
Обиженный и беспокойный. Давайте уж, крепите аватар себе. Тогда все будет очень понятно.

Sasha tested tourist sleds. This type of self-help is used by tourists from all countries. Climbers too.
Is your name Charles, by any chance? Until now, the resource does not seem to have been attacked by trolls. And you are, by all accounts, a troll.
Offended and restless. Come on, fix your avatar. Then everything will be very clear.

[tenne]

so he took tourist sleds with him to test? they were not in a tourist area and a 'device' isn't a 'sled' and they clearly used the term 'sled' for a sled

"The sled belonged to uncle Slava, convicted in Lithuania in 1949 for 10 years and released to the settlement in 1956."

[Почемучка]

so he took tourist sleds with him to test? they were not in a tourist area and a 'device' isn't a 'sled' and they clearly used the term 'sled' for the tent

Нет, он их сделал во время маршрута из запасных лыж. Туристы СССР всегда в лыжные походы брали запасные лыжи.
Лыжи склонны к травматизму и чтобы можно было дальше продолжать поход: брались запасные. Как если бы запасное колесо у автомобиля.
No, he made them during the route from spare skis. Tourists of the USSR always took spare skis on ski trips.
Skis are prone to injuries and so that you can continue the trip further: spare ones were taken. It's like having a spare tire on a car.

[Почемучка]

"The sled belonged to uncle Slava, convicted in Lithuania in 1949 for 10 years and released to the settlement in 1956."

То что тянут лошади - в России тоже называется санями. Потому что сани - по снегу.
Вспоминайте Санта Клауса, его оленей и санки, в которых сидит Санта Клаус.
Так вот. Вместо оленей - вообразите лошадей. Если не получается - изучайте фото похода гр. Дятлова.
Там сани и лошадь в полной красе.

П.С. Маска, я Вас узнала по нику. Такой ник мог взять только француз. Заходящий через анонимайзер, взяв Канаду.
Именно поэтому у Вас не прихватился автоматически в аватар - флаг Канады.

What horses pull is also called a sleigh in Russia. Because the sleigh is in the snow.
Remember Santa Claus, his reindeer and the sleigh in which Santa Claus sits.
So. Instead of deer, imagine horses. If it doesn’t work out, study the photo of the hike gr. Dyatlov.
There is a sleigh and a horse in full glory.

P.S. Mask, I recognized you by your nickname. Only a Frenchman could take such a nickname. Entering through the anonymizer, taking Canada.
That is why you did not automatically grab into the avatar - the flag of Canada.

[Manti]

Hi Tenne, welcome back to the forum... in case you are the same Tenne!

[tenne]

I am the same Tenne and since the racist has quit posting disgusting things about minorities, I'm back....

not sure why I'm supposed to be french though....

[tenne]

"The sled belonged to uncle Slava, convicted in Lithuania in 1949 for 10 years and released to the settlement in 1956."

То что тянут лошади - в России тоже называется санями. Потому что сани - по снегу.
Вспоминайте Санта Клауса, его оленей и санки, в которых сидит Санта Клаус.
Так вот. Вместо оленей - вообразите лошадей. Если не получается - изучайте фото похода гр. Дятлова.
Там сани и лошадь в полной красе.

П.С. Маска, я Вас узнала по нику. Такой ник мог взять только француз. Заходящий через анонимайзер, взяв Канаду.
Именно поэтому у Вас не прихватился автоматически в аватар - флаг Канады.

What horses pull is also called a sleigh in Russia. Because the sleigh is in the snow.
Remember Santa Claus, his reindeer and the sleigh in which Santa Claus sits.
So. Instead of deer, imagine horses. If it doesn’t work out, study the photo of the hike gr. Dyatlov.
There is a sleigh and a horse in full glory.

P.S. Mask, I recognized you by your nickname. Only a Frenchman could take such a nickname. Entering through the anonymizer, taking Canada.
That is why you did not automatically grab into the avatar - the flag of Canada.

 there is mentioning of one spare pair of skis. Yudin returned on his skis. Ski professionals say that extra pairs of skis are essential for such a long route. Traditionally, the last person in the line drags them behind with a rope. In this photo we see Krivonischenko carrying skis on his back. It was probably this extra pair that was used to make Kolevatov's sled mentioned in their satirical propaganda leaflet

so are you saying that the device was Kolevatov's sled?

[RMK]

Hi Tenne, welcome back to the forum... in case you are the same Tenne!

I am the same Tenne and since the racist has quit posting disgusting things about minorities, I'm back....

not sure why I'm supposed to be french though....

Yes, welcome back.  To explain why you're "supposed to be French"...  Почемучка seems to think that you are an alternate account of a French user of these forums named Charles, who deleted his account a few days ago.

from the diary of ZINAIDA KOLMOGOROVA "Sasha Kolevatov tested his device, then quit."
Sasha, also known as Semyon, was added to the group by the authorities
A suitcase nuclear device is a tactical nuclear weapon that is portable enough that it could use a suitcase as its delivery method. Both the United States and the Soviet Union developed nuclear weapons small enough to be portable in specially-designed backpacks during the 1950s and 1960s

any thoughts on if there are any connections between this information? did something happen and the bomb went off and that's why it was covered up?

To address your OP...  "Sasha" is typically a nickname for "Alexander" or "Alexandra", and in this context, refers to Aleksander Kolevatov.  It is true, however, that Semyon Zolotaryov introduced himself as "Sasha" for some reason.  Anyhow,it is generally accepted that Kolevatov's "device" (translation of "приспособление") was a sled, jury-rigged using spare skis, that could be used to pull supplies across the snow instead of carrying them.  The sled may not have worked that well in the hilly terrain and dense trees that the Dyatlovites had to navigate.

I doubt very much that a suitcase bomb was involved in the Dyatlov Pass Incident.

Edit: For reference, "Sasha Kolevatov tested his device, then quit." is a translation of this sentence in the original Russian, "Сашка Колеватов испытывал своё приспособление и бросил."

[GlennM]

Just dropped the bomb on Chuck!

A low yield suitcase bomb has no business being on 1079. There is no profit in it.

[RMK]

A low yield suitcase bomb has no business being on 1079. There is no profit in it.

"Follow the money", right?

[GlennM]

True that!

[Почемучка]

so are you saying that the device was Kolevatov's sled?

Именно так. Разве мои пояснения - можно понять иначе? В России есть библиотека туристических отчетов. Такое изобретение в ходе маршрута - придумывал не только Саша. Рюкзаки были очень тяжелые. Некоторые группы сразу как снаряжение - брали с собою сани/нарты. Только это было неудобно. Это дополнительный груз по бурелому тайги. Группы часто выкидывали такие сани после недели похода. Если Вы рассмотрите фото выемки из ручья - то Вы обнаружите на первом плане именно такую конструкцию. Из лыж. С помощью такой конструкции поднимали тела к вертолетной площадке.

Exactly. Can my explanations be understood differently? Russia has a library of travel reports. Such an invention during the route was not only invented by Sasha. The backpacks were very heavy. Some groups immediately took sleds/sleds as equipment. Only it was inconvenient. This is an additional load on the brown taiga. Groups often threw out such sleds after a week of hiking. If you look at the photo of the excavation from the stream, then you will find just such a design in the foreground. From skis. With the help of this design, the bodies were raised to the helipad.

[Почемучка]

Yes, welcome back.  To explain why you're "supposed to be French"...  Почемучка seems to think that you are an alternate account of a French user of these forums named Charles, who deleted his account a few days ago.

Ну очень жаль. Я была бы не против его возвращения. Самоубийства даже виртуальные - это неправильно и очень грустно.
Человеку свойственно изучать тему, получать большие знания и менять точку зрения. Даже на свою точку зрения.
Я могу это сказать как человек, который имел в своей голове столько вариантов сюжета, что Чарльз - просто меня не догонит.
Одно утешает, что моя женская интуиция как-то смогла привести в итоге к такой версии, что самая первая моя версия - хоть сколько-нибудь упомянута.
Шпионская версия - была моей первой версией. Я считала что группу убила - залегшая на дно вражеская агентура из числа пособников фашистов. Такие персонажи - были узниками Ивдельлага. Я придумывала про предсмертную записку на руке Золотарева - химическим карандашом. Про то что Люда без языка - потому что она писала эти последние буквы и слюнявила карандаш. И враги - поэтому его ей удалили. Не понимая этой странности. Если Вы почитаете - дневники участников группы: они часто написаны не авторучкою или чернильной ручкою, а химическим карандашом. Полет моей фантазии был такой вертикальный...
Так что - имеет смысл не расставаться с жизнью даже виртуальной...

П.С. Юзер за один день сразу открыл несколько новых тем ни о чем, о том что давно и всем понятно. На русский взгляд - так поступают тролли. Вот почему я в нем увидела Чарльза.

Well, sorry. I wouldn't mind his return. Suicide, even virtual ones, is wrong and very sad.
It is human nature to study a topic, gain more knowledge and change one's point of view. Even your point of view.
I can say this as someone who had so many plot options in his head that Charles just couldn't catch up with me.
One consolation is that my female intuition somehow managed to eventually lead to such a version that my very first version was at least mentioned.
Spy version - was my first version. I thought that the group was killed by enemy agents lying on the bottom from among the accomplices of the Nazis. Such characters were prisoners of Ivdellag. I thought about a suicide note on Zolotarev's hand - with an indelible pencil. About the fact that Lyuda is without a tongue - because she wrote these last letters and slobbered a pencil. And enemies - that's why they removed it to her. Not understanding this oddity. If you read - the diaries of the band members: they are often written not with a fountain pen or ink pen, but with an indelible pencil. The flight of my imagination was so vertical...
So - it makes sense not to part with life, even virtual ...

P.S. In one day, the user immediately opened several new topics about nothing, about what was clear to everyone for a long time. In the Russian view - this is what trolls do. That's why I saw Charles in him.

[tenne]

 I guess the poster isn't that familiar with the western parts of canada, where being told you are french "them there are fighting words" LOL

and if the poster thinks I am a troll, then why bother feeding into it? I can only guess that they enjoy being a troll themselves?

anyway, one main reason I brought up some stuff is I am the grand daughter of a fur trapper in northern Ontario, who LIVED these conditions, many of my dad's friends were also trappers, I live in a very extreme portion of western canada where cross country skiing camping is the norm and the 'evidence' that the poster is insisting has been settled, are opinions and nothing more. NOT one of the old timers whose lives depended on traversing -30, deep snow and living, agree with the tent being carried on the back, plus a few other things that I have posted about.

so until I see something posted that the old timers who lived these things agree with,  I will still be looking and posting to see if anything new has come up that they would say YES, that is what could have happened

or perhaps I'm wrong and only opinions that have been previous approved by the self appointed 'expert' are allowed?

[Почемучка]

anyway, one main reason I brought up some stuff is I am the grand daughter of a fur trapper in northern Ontario, who LIVED these conditions, many of my dad's friends were also trappers, I live in a very extreme portion of western canada where cross country skiing camping is the norm

Как интересно. Внучка зверолова - это звучит гордо. Какой высоты у Вас там сугробы снега? Какую дичь добываете?
Можете фотографию лыж Вашего деда прикрепить? Семейный архив или архив музея Вашего городка или статью из газеты?
Вот фото, которое я предлагала Вам рассмотреть



How interesting. The trapper's granddaughter sounds proud. How high are your snowdrifts there? What kind of game do you get?
Can you attach a photo of your grandfather's skis? Family archive or museum archive in your town or newspaper article?
Here is a photo that I suggested you to consider

or perhaps I'm wrong and only opinions that have been previous approved by the self appointed 'expert' are allowed?

Что бы иметь мнение - нужно иметь под него знания. Надеюсь, в Ваших знаниях хотя бы Земля - круглая?
Имеет смысл отметить, что очень часто реалии более близкого времени располагают на сильно давние времена.
Это ошибка всей молодежи. Ей кажется что так было всегда. Тем не менее свою прабабушку - никто не считает юной девушкой.
Поэтому и к событиям надо подходить с этой же стороны. Смотреть - что было на 1959 год у Вас, хотя бы в Канаде.
Были ли бомбы в чемоданах, зачем они были такие нужны и что им делать в безлюдных местах.
В Канаде как я знаю - проводился один из мощнейших неядерных взрывов. Убирали мешавшую часть скалы. 5 апреля 1958 - скала Рипл-Рок.
На склоне 1079 - ничего и никому не мешало.

To have an opinion - you need to have knowledge under it. Hoping, in your knowledge, at least the Earth is round?
It makes sense to note that very often the realities of a closer time are placed on very ancient times.
This is the mistake of all youth. It seems to her that it has always been like this. Nevertheless, no one considers his great-grandmother to be a young girl.
Therefore, events must be approached from the same side. See what you had in 1959, at least in Canada.
Were there bombs in suitcases, why were they needed and what should they do in deserted places.
In Canada, as I know, one of the most powerful non-nuclear explosions was carried out. The interfering part of the rock was removed. April 5, 1958 - Ripple Rock.
On slope 1079 - nothing bothered anyone.

[GlennM]

Every insult diminishes the strength of the essential arguement. Try to do better and we will all benefit.

[Ehtnisba]

Hi Tenne, welcome back to the forum... in case you are the same Tenne!

I am the same Tenne and since the racist has quit posting disgusting things about minorities, I'm back....

not sure why I'm supposed to be french though....

Yes, welcome back.  To explain why you're "supposed to be French"...  Почемучка seems to think that you are an alternate account of a French user of these forums named Charles, who deleted his account a few days ago.

from the diary of ZINAIDA KOLMOGOROVA "Sasha Kolevatov tested his device, then quit."
Sasha, also known as Semyon, was added to the group by the authorities
A suitcase nuclear device is a tactical nuclear weapon that is portable enough that it could use a suitcase as its delivery method. Both the United States and the Soviet Union developed nuclear weapons small enough to be portable in specially-designed backpacks during the 1950s and 1960s

any thoughts on if there are any connections between this information? did something happen and the bomb went off and that's why it was covered up?

To address your OP...  "Sasha" is typically a nickname for "Alexander" or "Alexandra", and in this context, refers to Aleksander Kolevatov.  It is true, however, that Semyon Zolotaryov introduced himself as "Sasha" for some reason.  Anyhow,it is generally accepted that Kolevatov's "device" (translation of "приспособление") was a sled, jury-rigged using spare skis, that could be used to pull supplies across the snow instead of carrying them.  The sled may not have worked that well in the hilly terrain and dense trees that the Dyatlovites had to navigate.

I doubt very much that a suitcase bomb was involved in the Dyatlov Pass Incident.

Edit: For reference, "Sasha Kolevatov tested his device, then quit." is a translation of this sentence in the original Russian, "Сашка Колеватов испытывал своё приспособление и бросил."

WAB is gone, Charles is out , why this forum has turned into typical internet pincher fight ??? I miss its old environment. Both WAB and Charles had a lot of materials but if they don:t coincide with avalanche or any "natural' cause, some people are deeply bu**hurt and start yapping till the user is gone... Wtf?

[Ziljoe]

WAB is gone, Charles is out , why this forum has turned into typical internet pincher fight ??? I miss its old environment. Both WAB and Charles had a lot of materials but if they don:t coincide with avalanche or any "natural' cause, some people are deeply bu**hurt and start yapping till the user is gone... Wtf?

Charles showed little respect to WAB. Infact, Charles slagged off WAB's hypothesis and laid lumps into him.

It was Charles that did not agree with a "natural" cause, it is him that slagged off any idea that wasn't his. All we can do is put forward our ideas. He had his agenda that it was murder but couldn't make a rational case other than gulags, 30k people killed by Russia NKVD, therefore , they did it......with a ski boot...ta daaaa🤷🏻‍♂️

Charles was the biggest yapper of all time. Apparently he saved the USSR from being sold of to the USA , single handedly.

[GlennM]

Absinthe, those who embrace the slab slide theory are supporting Occam's Razor. They are not petulant. They simply maintain that the overburden of suppositions necessary for other hypotheses can not be substantiated, only speculated.

If anyone misses the old environment where insult and ad hominem attack replace reasoning, then there are other online outlets for that energy.

The only question that needs an answer is ," Why did the tourists abandon the tent?" Anyone can put forward a guess, none can supply proof. That is the old environment and the new environment too.

Please continue to advance your ideas, just be civil as we all are.

[Почемучка]

It was Charles that did not agree with a "natural" cause, it is him that slagged off any idea that wasn't his. All we can do is put forward our ideas. He had his agenda that it was murder but couldn't make a rational case other than gulags, 30k people killed by Russia NKVD, therefore , they did it......with a ski boot...ta daaaa🤷🏻‍♂️

Видимо он был впечатлен историей




Гены - на козе не объехать.

Apparently he was impressed by the story
Genes - do not go around on a goat.

[Почемучка]

Every insult diminishes the strength of the essential arguement. Try to do better and we will all benefit.

Споры невозможны без пикировки. Это как фехтование. Укол заставляет не только злиться, но и эффективнее и перспективнее думать.

Disputes are impossible without a pick. It's like fencing. The injection makes not only angry, but also more efficient and more promising to think.

[RMK]

WAB is gone, Charles is out , why this forum has turned into typical internet pincher fight ??? I miss its old environment. Both WAB and Charles had a lot of materials but if they don:t coincide with avalanche or any "natural' cause, some people are deeply bu**hurt and start yapping till the user is gone... Wtf?

Charles showed little respect to WAB. Infact, Charles slagged off WAB's hypothesis and laid lumps into him.

It was Charles that did not agree with a "natural" cause, it is him that slagged off any idea that wasn't his. All we can do is put forward our ideas. He had his agenda that it was murder but couldn't make a rational case other than gulags, 30k people killed by Russia NKVD, therefore , they did it......with a ski boot...ta daaaa🤷🏻‍♂️

Charles was the biggest yapper of all time. Apparently he saved the USSR from being sold of to the USA , single handedly.

Charles made the best case for DPI being murder that I've ever encountered.  As I state here, while I do not accept his specific homicide theory, I find his analysis of the distribution of bone fractures pretty compelling.

Edit: formatting tags

[tenne]

I personally do not believe it was a deliberate murder, just for the record, I think there was a bomb or something like that that went off and that explosion killed them

[Ziljoe]

For me , he came up with the best motive . I disagree with his diagram and use of statistics.

[RMK]

For me , he came up with the best motive .

Surely, you don't find a Kolevatov-assassination scenario credible?!

I disagree with his diagram and use of statistics.

In what ways?

[GlennM]

I personally do not believe it was a deliberate murder, just for the record, I think there was a bomb or something like that that went off and that explosion killed them

At the tent, tree, ravine, where? Asking for a friend.

[tenne]

my idea is that they didn't finish the route like they were going to once they found out the sled didn't work to pull the tent along with them. Given the fact it took so long to get permission and if they went back early they could be in as much trouble as being late, IMO, they simply skied around the area they last used tried to pull the tent on a sled.

something blew up and they weren't supposed to be there so rather than admit the weapon and the deaths, the whole thing was faked. the lights were a helicopter bring in the bodies and tent, it was crudely set up and the bodies placed in a way to make it look like it was natural but they don't have a lot of experience setting up crime scenes because, they never had to bother

that's why the tent was there (and people who are experienced in the mountains do not go down a slope to escape an avalanche BTW. the standard practice is to run sideways into the trees) and the stove not set up. I believe the later entries were faked and the tracks were soldiers? KGB? skiing back

someone went through a lot of trouble to insert an older suspected KGB agent into the group for a reason and I think its related, just not sure how

[Ziljoe]

For me , he came up with the best motive .

Surely, you don't find a Kolevatov-assassination scenario credible?!

I disagree with his diagram and use of statistics.

In what ways?

Hi RMK.

I can't fully remember Charles scenario. I might have it saved on my posts. Any how, as I recall , it was the timeline of meetings at the railway station. I can't remember who's father it was that was killed. I get too busy trying to cross examine looking on the internet to double check but it seemed plausible. In my goofing around on the web , I came across a reference to a nuclear disaster in 1957. Allegedly one of the hikers father's worked there. He left and was ordered to go back, he wouldn't. The father of the hicker had some title , "" general" , but not in a military sense . Kyshtym disaster. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster. Whether this is what Charles meant I don't know. Unfortunately with Charles , we ended up going down other paths, it got left behind and things evolved to other ideas.

His illustration doesn't work when he spreads his fractures across the group. When he uses world wide statistics , all variables are lost. The the stats cover all fractures . For the sample, the fractures from RTA would need to be put together , then a pattern would appear, then question , were they wearing seat belts, then how old was the car, what model, did it have air bags etc.

Like wise, what are the stats for broken ribs by human violence, flali chest fractures etc. Ribs broken by land slides , so on.  My understanding of the broken/fractured  ribs is the were along a straight line. This implies that the force was applied over a large area of the chest. I don't think it's easy to do by human hands/feet /elbow. Possibly by having someone lie down, and then let the whole body weight of the attacker come down with force might do it. But it's a messy , inconvenient way to murder. IMO.

[GlennM]

my idea is that they didn't finish the route like they were going to once they found out the sled didn't work to pull the tent along with them. Given the fact it took so long to get permission and if they went back early they could be in as much trouble as being late, IMO, they simply skied around the area they last used tried to pull the tent on

Are you suggesting that if the hikers did not finish when they said they would, then they would not get their certification?
Is this the trouble they would get into?

I trust we are not talking about a suitcase bomb on the ski sled. Wouldn't Yuri Yiden's supplies be the thing carried on the sled? After all, hemwent home early. Please comment.