suitcase bomb

[tenne]

um, yes the did, the amount of soldiers freezing to death in a country I won't name because it could cause a political fight right now is a very good example of how much mud, snow, cold and no way to dry offclothing are taking lives right now

soldiers froze to death regularly in WW2, they just found some frozen corpses I think in northern italy from WW2

they all had heat sources on artic trips and when that fuel ended, they died.

Even the Inuit had heat sources in their igloos (which were only temporary winter homes). they lit blubber candles in shells and with that and their body heat, were able to be somewhat comfortable. I have no personal experience in this but have read about it

[tenne]

""We can argue the temperature all day long, but the raised footprints were recorded. It happens, it is fact. Weather they are the foot prints from the dp9 or later , can be argued.""

I am not sure what we are arguing about temperatures? What they were or how they feel or how they work to make frozen footsteps? If it is what there were, I can only go by what the official records say. If we are talking about what they feel like, then its a matter of perspective. it was -31 here yesterday afternoon with a wind chill of -42 so -1 to me is very warm. If you live where the winter temps are usually above freezing it is very cold. Or are we arguing the conditions needed to make the footprints in the first place?

[Почемучка]

Следы-столбики не являются чем-то экзотическим и однократно случившимся.
Исследователи этой темы как раз попали на Перевал Дятлова и сами смогли наследить именно такую дорожку в 2013 году.
Они и в палатке скат резали и бежали вниз по склону в носках.
Представляете как давно это было? А некоторые только сейчас решают будут следы или нет. Гипотетически.
А у нас все давно - уже не гипотетически
https://www.kp.ru/daily/26054/2965513/

Traces-columns are not something exotic and happened once.
The researchers of this topic just got to the Dyatlov Pass and were able to inherit just such a path in 2013.
They cut the slope in the tent and ran down the slope in socks.
Guess how long ago that was? And some are only now deciding whether there will be traces or not. Hypothetically.
And we have everything for a long time - no longer hypothetically

[Ziljoe]

I would have thought you were familiar with raised foot prints tenne, or would have looked or researched.

Dry cold / snow is different to wet cold snow. The body is used for a heat source as you say and I think I just read the same article. I'm sure you will know, in tents and snow holes they can survive a night. Always nice to have a fire if possible.

There are various things you can do with sweat on clothes in very cold region's.

Cold becomes an issue when wet with wind, snow can be more manageable in certain conditions and temperatures . Possibly better than, mud , wet and cold. Everything should be fine, Especially if you have the equipment and plan for variables.

With the concept of the condom suit, every thing is dry. I'm sure I don't have to explain it.

There's no injuries to suggest a suitcase bomb. 

[tenne]

sorry, I guess I don't get what you mean by a condom suit then. I am seeing a layer that keeps the top layer dry from the skin? right? so how do you get that layer, the condom layer, dry to put it on the next day if it absorbed the moisture. I am not understanding what you are saying

Yes, I am familiar with raised footprints and wet snow. I am going by the official temps that I could find for that night and area and it was at least -12 and colder. Here, those temperatures do not produce wet snow so I did my print making in dry temperatures like those ones, not in ideal make foot print temps of -2 to +2 (or so here at least

I am not sure why you keep insisting that there are no injuries that could be from a blast when the official testimony is a force like a car hit some of them?

[Ziljoe]

sorry, I guess I don't get what you mean by a condom suit then. I am seeing a layer that keeps the top layer dry from the skin? right? so how do you get that layer, the condom layer, dry to put it on the next day if it absorbed the moisture. I am not understanding what you are saying

Yes, I am familiar with raised footprints and wet snow. I am going by the official temps that I could find for that night and area and it was at least -12 and colder. Here, those temperatures do not produce wet snow so I did my print making in dry temperatures like those ones, not in ideal make foot print temps of -2 to +2 (or so here at least

I am not sure why you keep insisting that there are no injuries that could be from a blast when the official testimony is a force like a car hit some of them?

It was a guy on you tube. It was used to keep the bottom layer dry . Depending on the wicking of moisture out from the body heat source. I would think it would freeze after you take it off or it could be rolled in the snow then brushed off. I believe they use this method when falling in freezing water. Survivali advice is recommended to roll in snow. It's not that relevent. Just a modern solution to an old problem. I think this why fur is superior for wicking properties .

The raised foot prints give us an indicator for the weather conditions, we can work backwards from there.

The force of being hit like a car , doesn't imply explosion. It implies an impact. I don't think there's any report of blast injuries.

[ilahiyol]

You argue in vain about temperature! But of course, one hundred percent result is not possible, but an approximate result can be obtained. The temperature is measured in the valley and forest on the night of February 1 every year for 10 years. And this is averaged. This gives you 90 percent correct results, if not one hundred percent. Unless, of course, there was an abnormal storm the night of the event. However, according to the available evidence, this does not seem to have happened.

[tenne]

I am taking the temperatures that were supposed to be around the pass from this website.

https://dyatlovpass.com/investigation-materials-2?rbid=18461

Is there another table I should be looking at?

[Manti]

Those temperatures look about right. Although the timeline doesn't... 4 hours to cover 1.5 miles? Also, -28C is listed as "low risk" for frostbite?

[tenne]

Those temperatures look about right. Although the timeline doesn't... 4 hours to cover 1.5 miles? Also, -28C is listed as "low risk" for frostbite?

 when the entire body is poorly dressed, the core temps fall very quickly so perhaps that explains the lack of frost bite? some of them were already deceased  from hypothermia before the frost bite happened?