Dogs' fear

[amashilu]

The dogs' behavior is intriguing. Which of the 75 theories proposed so far can incorporate this fear and also the "going crazy" at the tent? So far, I can think of at least one -- wolverine.


Potyazhenko
".. there were search and rescue dogs, or service and search dogs, they are great.

"I: And how many were there?

VV: There were two of them. It was a terrible sight, and kind of funny, but in fact, when we saw that they didn’t want to get out of the helicopter and snarled, fear snuck up on us.

"I: How do you explain this?

VV: Well, apparently, there was some kind of smell, there might be some kind of small vibration on the ground that a person does not feel, but they did. They got out of the helicopter - the cynologist pulled them out, they pressed right against him, their tails between their legs, their ears lowered and they won't let him go anywhere. He barely took them to the tent, and there the dogs went crazy.

[ilahiyol]

This behavior of dogs is a great testament to the unknown coercive power. Dogs wouldn't behave this way if they were assassinated. So the dogs smelled something unknown and got very scared.

[Ziljoe]

It is one of the odder statements in this mystery. Forgetting the Wolverine theory. We know dogs can behave in various ways , even if it was the Wolverine. I just find it odd that this was even recorded for the case files. Who cares if dogs are a bit scared. The fact that this detail is mentioned means that someone questioned it. 

[ilahiyol]

It is one of the odder statements in this mystery. Forgetting the Wolverine theory. We know dogs can behave in various ways , even if it was the Wolverine. I just find it odd that this was even recorded for the case files. Who cares if dogs are a bit scared. The fact that this detail is mentioned means that someone questioned it.

I guess at that time, the behavior of dogs was not given much importance. And it may have been thought that he had smelled a bear. I would love to see the dogs in person. I would also like to know what breed and growing conditions. These can give us a lot of clues.

[Manti]

If you take any dog by helicopter to a snowfield where it's negative ~20C, I bet it won't want to leave the helicopter. Dogs are afraid of being abandoned.

[amashilu]

What about the "going crazy" at the tent?

[Manti]

I'm not sure what they meant by that. "Crazy" as in playful? Or fearful? If there was any irritating smell like wolverine spray, rocket fuel, nitric acid etc. I think the dogs would be visibly repulsed and wouldn't want to go near the tent.


I don't think the same can explain not wanting to leave the helicopter because the landing site is not downwind of the tent, it's to the South/South-East. The cedar area would be downwind  but the helicopters landed near the boot rock as far as I know

[Ziljoe]

I don't think it can mean playful. You don't report the dogs were playful,  the report is about the dogs behaviour being unusual. That's out with expectations. They were search dog's not hunting dogs. The dogs came across something unusual to them. There's no talk of the dogs behaving odd on entering the helicopter or being in the helicopter,  it's noted on their exit , or forced exit.

I believe the landing site was in the direction of the wind.

[marieuk]

I guess the dogs going crazy at the tent implies something actually happened at the tent, rather than the Dyatlov group being tricked to leave the tent?

[amashilu]

It sounds logical, doesn't it?

[GlennM]

The body of Zina Kolmogorova was found by a rescue dog Alma (Альма) under 50 cm of snow.

The behavior of the dogs on the copter is less important than the report or their behavior. It implies that ther was a sincere effort to tell the whole story holding nothing back.

[RMK]

The body of Zina Kolmogorova was found by a rescue dog Alma (Альма) under 50 cm of snow.

Well, there is controversy concerning something as simple as the name of the dog that found Kolmogorova's corpse.

[GlennM]

I still maintain the integrity of the dog handler is more important than the action of the dog...until dogs learn to write reports.

[eurocentric]

I've read similar phrases to "the dogs went wild/crazy" at a given location numerous times in media reports of searches for missing people. The DPI dogs were probably general sniffer dogs, they wouldn't necessarily be trained blood dogs, or cadaver dogs trained only to repond/alert to cadaverine, so they'd react when they reached a tent where 9 people had effectively lived for part of every 24 hours, smelling their clothing and bedding there.

The dogs won't know it's a tent, a human habitat, and that their handlers already know people had been there, but they can sniff the presence of humans so react to inform them. "Good girl Alma, now  tell us something we don't know already."


Perhaps they were scared during the helicopter trip, and then being dragged outside made them think they were truly "in the dog house", so they cowered. Once they realised it was only walkies they seem to have settled into the swing of things.

[tenne]

Dogs being afraid to search and/or laying down and refusing to move is one of the 'criteria'  that a missing person belongs in the missing411 cases, so it is recorded happening in other cases but no one has come up with a reason why there either and the wolverine isn't a suspect in those cases.

[Ziljoe]

Dogs being afraid to search and/or laying down and refusing to move is one of the 'criteria'  that a missing person belongs in the missing411 cases, so it is recorded happening in other cases but no one has come up with a reason why there either and the wolverine isn't a suspect in those cases.

The Missing 411 cases are normal cases of people going missing.

[RMK]

Dogs being afraid to search and/or laying down and refusing to move is one of the 'criteria'  that a missing person belongs in the missing411 cases, so it is recorded happening in other cases but no one has come up with a reason why there either and the wolverine isn't a suspect in those cases.

The Missing 411 cases are normal cases of people going missing.

Paulides has documented a handful of missing-person cases that are pretty weird.  But, your words accurately describe the vast majority of Missing 411 cases.  Paulides tries really hard to portray mundane disappearances as *~mysterious~*, and insinuates that the US National Park Service has something to hide.

Spoiler: he wants to blame disappearances on Bigfoot opening dimensional portals, without explicitly blaming Bigfoot opening dimensional portals.

[Ziljoe]

Dogs being afraid to search and/or laying down and refusing to move is one of the 'criteria'  that a missing person belongs in the missing411 cases, so it is recorded happening in other cases but no one has come up with a reason why there either and the wolverine isn't a suspect in those cases.

The Missing 411 cases are normal cases of people going missing.

Paulides has documented a handful of missing-person cases that are pretty weird.  But, your words accurately describe the vast majority of Missing 411 cases.  Paulides tries really hard to portray mundane disappearances as *~mysterious~*, and insinuates that the US National Park Service has something to hide.

Spoiler: he wants to blame disappearances on Bigfoot opening dimensional portals, without explicitly blaming Bigfoot opening dimensional portals.

I believe he invested in bigfoot and is director of the Bigfoot foundation. It all sounds a bit self promotional ,although I respect that there are elements of truth to the missing persons. I have looked into 411 before and impart found it interesting.

As with the DP9 there are a lot of exaggerated aspects to the reporting through the years. 

[tenne]

Dogs being afraid to search and/or laying down and refusing to move is one of the 'criteria'  that a missing person belongs in the missing411 cases, so it is recorded happening in other cases but no one has come up with a reason why there either and the wolverine isn't a suspect in those cases.

The Missing 411 cases are normal cases of people going missing.

Paulides has documented a handful of missing-person cases that are pretty weird.  But, your words accurately describe the vast majority of Missing 411 cases.  Paulides tries really hard to portray mundane disappearances as *~mysterious~*, and insinuates that the US National Park Service has something to hide.

Spoiler: he wants to blame disappearances on Bigfoot opening dimensional portals, without explicitly blaming Bigfoot opening dimensional portals.

That's why I read many sources of the same event, I don't care why they think it happened, I want to know the facts and the facts as presented by other people without that same agenda as he has, which I don't disagree he has, shows that dogs not wanting to investigate isn't that uncommon

[ilahiyol]

The dogs must have picked up a different scent. Otherwise they wouldn't be so nervous. It can also be understood from here that the unknown Power emits a scent.

[cib]

Hi, ilahiyol. First of all, my condolences and solidarity for the terrible tragedy that has devastated your country. A question in relation to your comment, ¿what olfactometric profile can emit a Power that you do not know?. Thank you.

[RMK]

That's why I read many sources of the same event, I don't care why they think it happened, I want to know the facts and the facts as presented by other people without that same agenda as he has, which I don't disagree he has, shows that dogs not wanting to investigate isn't that uncommon

I see.  Fair enough.

[Manti]

Even specialist sniffer dogs won't reliably detect a trace that's older than about 2 weeks. And I assume the ones they used in the search were trained to find people? why would they react to other scents in an unusual way? In nature, the smell of a bear, wolverine, fallen tree (exposed fresh tree trunk) etc. are all commonplace and expected.

I think trying to infer something from the dog's behaviour is clutching at straws. When you walk a dog sometimes it will go "crazy", for example when it senses interesting smells like that of another dog in heat, or a fox, things like that. Sometimes it will lie down and refuse to move. The dog I used to walk did this when it had an upset stomach.

[ilahiyol]

Hi, ilahiyol. First of all, my condolences and solidarity for the terrible tragedy that has devastated your country. A question in relation to your comment, ¿what olfactometric profile can emit a Power that you do not know?. Thank you.

Thank you very much for your interest in the disaster in my country. Although I don't fully understand your question, it is certain that the unknown Force has left an odor or magnetic-like residue in the tent. Dogs understand and feel this.

[ilahiyol]

It is certain that animals can notice events and objects that humans cannot hear, cannot see, cannot smell and cannot feel. Even about 25 days after the event, the dogs noticed it! It also shows how strong and permanent this smell or magnetic or similar residue is!!! Then the dogs must not have found the bodies...So they couldn't get rid of that smell or magnetic effect!!!......And they couldn't find the bodies even though they were very close to the tent(?)Why?

[Ziljoe]

It would seem a lot depends on the dog and it's training. They report that a dog can pick up the scent of a dead body 25 years plus.

 I think being able to follow a trail , which is different thing is up to 2 weeks in the right condtions.

If they are trained  for the smell of decay etc, well we have ham/pork in  the tent , that would probably stand out for the dogs and pig is close to humans . That might be what got them excited vat the tent.

As for their behaviour at the helicopter, the description makes them sound submissive , tail between legs , staying next to handler . It suggests they experienced something new.

[Manti]

Yes I agree. But I think "decay" is stopped almost completely in freezing conditions. My assumption is that the temperature at no point went above freezing between the incident and the arrival of the searchers. Maybe this is not fully true, because initially, when not yet being covered by snow, sunshine may heat up exposed parts to above zero. Looking at weather conditions on the pass though it looks like it's almost always overcast.

But maybe it went close to zero around noon on a few days, which does mean some things will sublimate. And then again a wolverine is said to be able to detect the scent of frozen meat buried under snow so maybe dogs can, too

[ilahiyol]

Yes I agree. But I think "decay" is stopped almost completely in freezing conditions. My assumption is that the temperature at no point went above freezing between the incident and the arrival of the searchers. Maybe this is not fully true, because initially, when not yet being covered by snow, sunshine may heat up exposed parts to above zero. Looking at weather conditions on the pass though it looks like it's almost always overcast.

But maybe it went close to zero around noon on a few days, which does mean some things will sublimate. And then again a wolverine is said to be able to detect the scent of frozen meat buried under snow so maybe dogs can, too

In cloudless weather, the Sun can raise the temperature above 0 degrees if there is no wind at noon. But whether this is enough to decompose the bodies is debatable. If a corpse remains at minus degrees for about 20 hours, if it stays between 0-8 degrees for 3-4 hours, will it cause decay? I don't think so. I don't think the temperature will go above 10 degrees. But if the temperature rises above 10 degrees, it can cause rot and even smell.

[cib]

Hi, ilahiyol. First of all, my condolences and solidarity for the terrible tragedy that has devastated your country. A question in relation to your comment, ¿what olfactometric profile can emit a Power that you do not know?. Thank you.

Thank you very much for your interest in the disaster in my country. Although I don't fully understand your question, it is certain that the unknown Force has left an odor or magnetic-like residue in the tent. Dogs understand and feel this.

Hi again, ilahiyol.

1. The image shows the 2 search dogs, loose, in a sitting position and waiting for the handlers' orders. What makes you think they are nervous?



2. Since you state the phrase in bold and underlined. ¿What is a magnetic residue, what does it smell like, how long does it last and how does it affect the emotional behavior of a dog?

Best regards.

[RMK]

Hi, ilahiyol. First of all, my condolences and solidarity for the terrible tragedy that has devastated your country. A question in relation to your comment, ¿what olfactometric profile can emit a Power that you do not know?. Thank you.

Thank you very much for your interest in the disaster in my country. Although I don't fully understand your question, it is certain that the unknown Force has left an odor or magnetic-like residue in the tent. Dogs understand and feel this.

Hi again, ilahiyol.

1. The image shows the 2 search dogs, loose, in a sitting position and waiting for the handlers' orders. What makes you think they are nervous?



2. Since you state the phrase in bold and underlined. ¿What is a magnetic residue, what does it smell like, how long does it last and how does it affect the emotional behavior of a dog?

Best regards.

cib, although I do not know what ilahiyol means by the words "magnetic residue", I am pretty certain that the words "magnetic residue" do not convey what ilahiyol means to say.  To phrase it differently: either the translation machine is giving poor results to ilahiyol, or ilahiyol is writing in English himself and is a little confused.

To see more instances of "magnetic [something]" in Turkish-to-English translation on this very forum, see this thread and this other thread.