Radioactive Clothes

[Nigel Evans]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

[Ryan]

If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?

They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

This doesn't seem to agree with the case files. See vol 1 p. 370: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-370?rbid=17743

Ivanov appeared to have ordered the radiological testing via official channels on May 18. It is also clear from that document that Ivanov already knew, as of that date, that at least some of the four hikers' clothing had radioisotope contamination. The examination he ordered seemed to be mandated by criminal procedure, which would seem like common sense. If law enforcement detects radioactive contamination, then it shouldn't be ignored; of course professionals should be brought in.

The big question is how Ivanov knew that there was contamination in the first place.

[sarapuk]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ? 

[Nigel Evans]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

[Loose}{Cannon]

 

[Nigel Evans]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

[sarapuk]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

I want EVIDENCE. And any recorded, presumably written, dialogue between key players in this Dyatlov Case would be good evidence.

[sarapuk]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

[Nigel Evans]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Missing = confiscated?
The case file doesn't even have an official number? Okishev thought it could be unique.

[gypsy]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Why would anybody keep the written record of something that was supposed to be kept secret? It defeats the purpose of doing so and it's completely illogical.

[Nigel Evans]

sarapuk as gypsy says.

[Loose}{Cannon]

If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?

They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

But there is no real evidence of this  !  ? We dont actually know what was said between Ivanov and his superiors.

It's all in Ivanov's interview with Leninsky Put in 1990. How long have you been posting on this board?

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-344

16 days later and like 500 miles away.     

at the time of our investigation the Tagilsky Rabochiy newspaper published a small article about sighting

Makes sense...... "at the time of our investigation"......  aka, weeks after they died.   

[Nigel Evans]

If the higher-ups were trying to cover it up, why would they order extra tests? Especially if they knew it would reveal something suspicious?

They dudn't order extra tests. The tests we know about were performed privately by Ivanov through his contacts. He was on dangerous ground here having been ordered to stop investigating and create a coverup.

But there is no real evidence of this  !  ? We dont actually know what was said between Ivanov and his superiors.

It's all in Ivanov's interview with Leninsky Put in 1990. How long have you been posting on this board?

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-344

16 days later and like 500 miles away.     

at the time of our investigation the Tagilsky Rabochiy newspaper published a small article about sighting

Makes sense...... "at the time of our investigation"......  aka, weeks after they died.

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-209-220?rbid=17743
Sheet 211.

[sarapuk]

Yes, but where is the 2 way conversation, etc. Where is the actual dialogue of any conversations that Ivanov had with any of his Superiors in respect of this matter or for that matter any matter  !  ?   !  ?

https://dyatlovpass.com/evgeniy-okishev-2013

You have Posted an Interview between a Newspaper Reporter from Komsomolskaya Pravda and Evgeniy Fyodorovich, not a dialogue involving Ivanov  !  ?

Perhaps they didn't record their dialogues? Okishev said that they happened, what more can you want?

A conversation between Okishev and Ivanov.

Okishev - "Comrade Ivanov we have been ordered to pervert the Soviet justice system and invent a coverup if we value our lives".

Ivanov - "Yes sir, can i expect this order to be written in triplicate and passed through official channels for record keeping?"

Okishev - "Not exactly".

Yes I see your point but lets not forget that in any investigation there will be records of some kind. Where are all those Dyatlov Case Records that must have existed, presumably in written form. The ones between the key players. !  ?  MISSING. Dont you agree.

Why would anybody keep the written record of something that was supposed to be kept secret? It defeats the purpose of doing so and it's completely illogical.

Well if you care to study such matters you will find that even secret organisations have written records of their activities and some of those records are classified as TOP SECRET. Until such time in the future when some of those records may be released in to the public domain. So it doesnt defeat any purpose and is not illogical at all.