Could a tiny link to a secret code word have anything to do with the Dyatlov case? .
Fantasy? Most likely but curious none the less.
The Urals had a large number of tourists and Mansi roaming about free, the Urals weren't know for any cold war advantage of secrets .
However , if we are going to accuse people of fantasies, let us fantasize openly and properly .
There's a lot of talk about rockets/missiles, not just from us on the forums but the witnesses at the time and in some of the case files. What, if any, connection could link rockets/Missiles with the Dyatlov group and the hap hazard confused rush of the case files and perhaps some of the characters involved?.
I can find one ' code ' word used in the diaries that has a connection with rockets. It was a bit accidental how I came across it and it probably means absolutely nothing other than a coincidence. The code word is a river and a number of river names were used as code words for a new and important development in the cold war.
The R-7 rocket wasn't a particular secret from the west but more of an exhibition of what Russia could do. It was a big achievement at the time and the west was behind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_Semyorka"In modified form, it launched Sputnik 1, the first artificial satellite, into orbit, and became the basis for the R-7 family which includes Sputnik, Luna, Molniya, Vostok, and Voskhod space launchers, as well as later Soyuz variants.""The R-7 Semyorka (Russian: Р-7 Семёрка), officially the GRAU index 8K71, was a Soviet missile developed during the Cold War, and the world's first intercontinental ballistic missile. The R-7 made 28 launches between 1957 and 1961". We then have the R-12 and R-14 rockets/ missiles .
R-12
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-12_Dvina"
The R-12 Dvina was a theatre ballistic missile developed and deployed by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Its GRAU designation was 8K63 (8K63U or 8K63У in Cyrillic for silo-launched version), and it was given the NATO reporting name of SS-4 Sandal. The R-12 rocket provided the Soviet Union with the capability to attack targets at medium ranges with a megaton-class thermonuclear warhead and constituted the bulk of the Soviet offensive missile threat to Western Europe. Deployments of the R-12 missile in Cuba caused the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962......
In September 1958, Nikita Khrushchev personally visited Kapustin Yar to witness the launch of R-12, as well as its competitor, the R-5M. The latter had already been accepted into deployment at the time."R-14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-14_Chusovaya"
Development of the R-14 began by directive on 2 July 1958. The preliminary design was completed in December 1958, with flight tests beginning in June 1960 and completed in February 1961."
"In May 1960, development of the R-14U (universal) version, which could be launched from both surface pads or 'Chusovaya' complex missile silos, was authorized and test launches began in January 1962."So , what has this got to do with anything or the Dyatlov pass? Is there any possibility of a link between the hikers , KGB , secrets bases and rockets.?.
Well, there is the one word used in a certain place on the hike where activity took place that recently sparked my interest.
That word is, '
Chusovaya'. Zina writes this in her diary.
"2nd North is an abandoned village, nobody lives here at all, and what beautiful places!
It's just Chusovaya".
What's Chusovaya other than a river? Is she referring to a previous hike? The village is abandoned and in a poor state.
Yuri yuden makes it to 2nd north , he takes what looks like quite large samples , with what be a sizable peace of drill.
Yuri yuden enters into his diary
"27 We spent the night in a hut in the 2nd Northern settlement. Bol. Lots and lots of houses, warehouses, rooms, old cars, machine tools. Everything has been abandoned since 1952. A geological expedition worked here. They took out what they could, the rest was inventoried and abandoned. All the houses are destroyed, only one remains, where there is a stove and windows with glass. The place is good and picturesque. The Lozva River is wide. Lots of limestone rocks. Grandfather Slava assures that in the summer you can ford it, there are many warm, hot springs. There are often unfrozen holes and water . There are places where there is always unfrozen water under a layer of snow, and after such places you have to scrape the ice off your skis."
The group diary states
"After breakfast, some of the guys lead by Yuri Yudin, our well- known geologist, went to look for local minerals. They didn't find anything except pyrite and quartz veins in the rock."
"After breakfast, some of the guys Yura Yudin, Kolya and Yura Doroshenko went for the rocks in the core storage, where they decided to collect minerals for the collection. Nothing but pyrite, and there were quartz veins in the rock."
Something seems of value at North 2 , something that people came to build these huts and take core samples , vehicles , tools and machines, it has some kind of hot springs , something was useful or potentially useful. ?
Anyway , back to the missiles, the R12 and take note of the dates of launches
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R-12 missile was surface-launched. However in September 1959 a series of experimental silo launches was conducted and subsequently in May 1960 the development of a new R-12 missile designated as R-12 U was begun.""
The R-12 missile was introduced into the inventory on 4 March 1959 according to Russian sources, though Western intelligence believed that an initial operational capability was reached in late 1958."
The dates are all around the DP9 and then let's jump to 1962 and the R14.
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Prior to the onset of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis, the Soviet Union planned to deploy two regiments with 32 R-14 IRBMs and 16 launchers to Cuba. By the time the United States declared a quarantine of the island, 24 one-megaton warheads had arrived but no missiles or launchers had yet been shipped. The warheads were removed and the deployment of the R-14 to Cuba was cancelled after the crisis was resolved"
So, what was happening at this time during the cold war regarding ICBMs?.
There was the propaganda of the 'Missile Gap' between the west and soviet union.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_gap"
In the United States, during the Cold War, the missile gap was the perceived superiority of the number and power of the USSR's missiles in comparison with those of the U.S., causing a lack of military parity. The gap in the ballistic missile arsenals did not exist except in exaggerated estimates, made by the Gaither Committee in 1957 and in United States Air Force (USAF) figures. Even the contradictory CIA figures for the USSR's weaponry, which showed a clear advantage for the US, were far above the actual count. Like the bomber gap of only a few years earlier, it was soon demonstrated that the gap was entirely fictional...."
"The Soviet launch of Sputnik 1, on October 4, 1957, highlighted the technological achievements of the Soviets and sparked some worrying questions for the politicians and general public of the US. Although US military and civilian agencies were well aware of Soviet satellite plans, as they were publicly announced as part of the International Geophysical Year, " (this was launched from a variant of the R-7).
"Senator John F. Kennedy stated "the nation was losing the satellite-missile race with the Soviet Union because of… complacent miscalculations, penny-pinching, budget cutbacks, incredibly confused mismanagement, and wasteful rivalries and jealousies."[1] The Soviets capitalized on their strengthened position with false claims of Soviet missile capabilities, claiming on December 4, 1958, "Soviet ICBMs are at present in mass production." Five days later, Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev boasted the successful testing of an ICBM with an impressive 8,000-mile (13,000 km) range."Again , we might ask so what? , missiles are being built, the west and the USSR are playing a cat and mouse game, they are both paranoid and double bluffing each other . But .....there's a realisation by the USSR that their missiles are vulnerable from a number of pre-emptive strikes , from bombers , ground attack , sabotage etc. The early missiles were notoriously difficult to maintain, that's to fuel them move them to the launch site, heat fuel and a host of other things. To have the missiles on standby could only be done for a short period of time and they would then need to be dismantled, refitted with seals etc.
Here ,the Soviet Silos come into play.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/icbm-silo-intro.htm It was recognised at some point that a better alternative was needed and that's why the silos came to be.
"Denied access to imagery of actual missiles, American intelligence became quite focused on silos. Actually, this is quite sensible, since information on the silos provided critical insight as to the silos contents."
The first missile systems, both in the USSR and abroad, were located on the surface, on specially equipped launch tables. This arrangement was extremely unsuccessful for a number of reasons: low resistance to the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion, low protection from acts of sabotage groups, and the influence of the atmosphere did not add life to the products.
The solution of the problem was obvious - it is necessary to hide the missiles under the ground. As soon as there was information about the creation of underground installations in the USA, the Union immediately began testing and testing such a starting position.
In a narrow circle Khrushchev
liked to tell how he, the former miner, had a "mine" idea. He also returns to this topic in his memoirs: "I had an idea to put a rocket in the mine ... It would be in a closed state, with a roof, it alone improves, keeps (rocket) in any weather ... For destruction ( mine) it would take only a direct hit, and this is unlikely."
The rocket designers were given the task of creating silo launchers. The first "new settlers" of the silo were strategic medium-range missiles R-12 and R-14.
In September 1958, Chief Marshal of Artillery MI Nedelin, Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR for Special Weapons and Reactive Engineering, faced scientists and designers with the task of deploying strategic ballistic missiles in service with the Soviet Army to silo launchers. From the very beginning it was intended not only to store the missiles under the ground, but also to ensure the possibility of their underground launch. "
When designing the first silos were named "Dvina", "Desna", "Sheksna" and "Chusovaya", for which the developers affectionately nicknamed their "little rivers". These names are consonant with the numerical designation of ballistic missiles: R-12U - Dvina, R-14U - Chusovaya, R-16U - Sheksna, R-9A - Desna.""
The silo launch ["mine starting"] complex received its own code name "Chusovaya", similar to the name of the river in the Middle Urals, the left tributary of Kama. Silo launchers of the group "Chusovaya" were developed in the Bureau Spetsmash. The complex consisted of three silos located in three corners of an imaginary rectangle with a side of about 100 meters with a two-story underground command and engineering center in the center, an oxidizer storage, fuel and compressed gases, and auxiliary and process equipment."Image's of the silo below.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/irbm-site.htm We also have the Berlin Crisis of 1958–1959
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Crisis_of_1958%E2%80%931959The Berlin Crisis of 1958–1959 was a crisis over the status of West Berlin during the Cold War. It resulted from efforts by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev to react strongly against American nuclear warheads located in West Germany, and build up the prestige of the Soviet satellite state of East GermanyThe United States and other Western Powers first agreed to let West Germany conventionally rearm, but West German leadership would complain about "discrimination" when denied nuclear weapons as part of the rearmament.[15] West Germany would demand tactical nuclear weapons or a general disarmament throughout much of 1956 and 1957.[15] Eisenhower proposed in 1957 that West Germany would get nuclear capable launchers, and the United States would have control over the warheads themselves.
Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev finally achieved full power as Communist Party leader and Premier in the Kremlin in early 1958. Bolstered by the worldwide success of the Sputnik project, he was overconfident in Soviet military superiority. Annoyed by the U.S. locating nuclear missiles at American bases in West Germany, he sought bargaining leverage to reverse that threat.
In November 1958, Khrushchev issued the Western powers an ultimatum to withdraw from Berlin within six months and make it a free, demilitarized city. Khrushchev declared that, at the end of that period, the Soviet Union would turn over control of all lines of communication with West Berlin to East Germany, meaning the western powers would have access to West Berlin only when East Germany permitted it. In response, the United States, United Kingdom, and France clearly expressed their strong determination to remain in, and maintain their legal right of free access to, West Berlin.
British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan visited Moscow for extended discussions with Khrushchev in February 1959. The meetings were mostly cordial; the ultimatum was dropped.[26] The Western Powers did not agree much on what they should do about the ultimatums.
The Soviet Union withdrew its deadline in May 1959, and the foreign ministers of the four countries spent three months meeting. They did not come to any major agreements, but this process led to negotiations and to Khrushchev's September 1959 visit to the United States, at the end of which he and Eisenhower jointly asserted that general disarmament was of utmost importance and that such issues as that of Berlin "should be settled, not by the application of force, but by peaceful means through negotiations.
Eisenhower admitted that the situation in Berlin was "abnormal" and that "human affairs got very badly tangled at times."[31] Khrushchev came away with the impression that a deal was possible over Berlin, and they agreed to continue the dialogue at a summit in Paris in May 1960. However, the Paris Summit that was to resolve the Berlin question was cancelled in the fallout from Gary Powers's failed U-2 spy flight on 1 May 1960.Where does all this leave us? ( Probably more confused)
There's lots going on , Khrushchev is communicating with world leaders, he doesn't know if the west is going to attack. He's developing missiles and recognised the need for silos of his missiles long ago. He has meetings with various world leaders at the same time over ICBMs at the exact same time as the Dyatlov pass is creating a stir on a domestic front ,with talks of rockets in the sky , escaped prisoners , resources being used up and radiation readings in some corner of the Ural's.
Perhaps the DP9 were involved with finding potential silo bases , Yuri Yuden's convenient exit from the hike with a horse and sledge to take core samples from northern 2 is slightly unusual? Did the hikers run round all the huts in the cold to find the ready made core samples? , If Yuden could carry on with the hike , had he always intended to carry sample's for the whole 300km hike?. Was their anything special about northern 2 that it was built in the first place ?.
Mines , silos , rocket's ,core samples , hot springs and Zina's use of the code word '
Chusovaya' can raise alarm bells. Is there a motive in here for the hikers termination? Was Yuden part of it and the secret was left with him and the people at the top. Was Zolo a spy for the west and this is where it had to end?.
Is there a link between other students going on hikes for collecting core samples from their hikes or rafting on rivers?. Was north 2 a potential site for the first silo's and their testing or perhaps a future site ?.
I say it's fantasy , but it is interesting to explore , who knows, some other researcher may pick up on some of it and find a connection. This post is purely food for thought.
What we do know , is it was an intense time for the cold war and secrets . Most likely there was just too much talk about the incident, the state just wanted the case closed down given the seriousness of missile capability. To draw attention to perhaps more secret rocket testing in the area was not what the USSR would want .
I keep myself tethered to the most likely cause being a natural event at the tents location, some kind of snow collapse but sometimes I do wander in my thoughts like everyone else.....
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