Puzzle with 5 (10) corpses

[GlennM]

We all know where the DP9 were buried. It seems like a pretty big oversight about the 10th...unless you consider the DP9 were recovered at times by strangers...and only 9 bodies.

[Axelrod]

From video Туманов: "Группу Дятлова подвергли пыткам!". На самом деле (1 июля 2019)
https://rutube.ru/video/26d10680cec8a58e663569e915f2c05e/
На самом деле. Выпуск от 01.07.2019
Issue July 1, 2019, Part 2


[–] The program "Actually" is on the air. This is a studio where it is impossible to lie. A shocking turn in the case of the death of students at Dyatlov Pass.

[–] What other signs make you doubt and think that outsiders have been in that area? Tell me.

[–SHARAVIN]: I think that my indirect evidence is based on the fact that the forester guide Pashin behaved very strangely in our presence. We climbed up the remains of a ski track to the edge of the forest, and then the ski track disappeared, and we did not know where to go next. This is where Pashin came into his role. He involuntarily led us to a remnant on the pass, and then began to tell us that the probable further direction of the group's movement could be to the pass, that is, higher up the ridge to Otorten.

[–] So, perhaps he was more informed than you?

[SHARAVIN]: Yes. First of all, he involuntarily turned his back to the stone, and it directed us in the direction in which we went and found the tent. We walked about a kilometer – and we stumbled upon the tent! We take alcohol from the tent, in the evening with the guys we offer to drink to the health of the guys, and Pashin says this: "It's time to drink to the repose of the soul, and not to the health!"

[–] This suggests that, perhaps, he knew much more!

[VARSEGOVA]: What Mikhail Sharavin is telling now is confirmed by documents from the criminal case, as well as by the interrogation of this Pashin. When they landed at the pass, when they were forced to look for the tent and the missing tourists. And Pashin says that they found the tent 2 days before Sharavin and Slobtsov found it.

He says that he and his partner were walking and saw a tent, heavily covered with snow. They did not tear it apart and passed by, went somewhere else to look, returned and did not say anything to the students...

[–] How many participants in the Dyatlov group expedition were there in reality? This is the question we are going to discuss right now.


It is very important for me to invite another extremely important witness to this studio now. This woman, then a young girl, who was a nurse in the Ivdel hospital, where the dead from the Dyatlov group were brought in March 1959. I would like Zoya Nikitichna Savina to join our conversation.

Hello! We have been talking about this topic for a very long time, and it is always very important for us to hear the testimony of any new witness. So, you saw the members of the Dyatlov group twice. The first time you saw them at the bus stop in Ivdel, when they were just getting ready to go on a hike. The second time you saw them in the morgue after they had already died. You were a very curious girl and spied on how the bodies of the dead were brought to the hospital. Tell us about it!


[SAVINA]: I saw, I saw through the window. I was just climbing around, looking at the morgue.
[–] Describe to me what you saw. It's important.

[SAVINA]: There were 5 people there, two girls and three boys.

[–] What month was it?

[SAVINA] It was somewhere around the end of February, I think. I started working as a nurse on February 10th.



[–] As I understand it, one of these girls is Zina Kolmogorova?

[SAVINA]: I don’t know her name. She was wearing a headscarf, she was wearing socks. Her shoes were off. As if she was getting ready to sleep.

[–] That is, the bodies were dressed, all the clothes were on them. Now pay attention! You are saying that you saw the bodies of two girls at once. Natalya, tell me when exactly Dubinina’s body was discovered?

[VARSEGOVA]: Lyuda Dubinina was discovered on May 4.

[–] That is, 2 months after the moment our witness points out.

[VARSEGOVA]: Zina Kolmogorova was found first, she was found at the end of February.

[–] But how can we explain the fact that Zoya Nikitichna saw the bodies of two girls at once? Although two months passed between these finds!

[VARSEGOVA]: Let's ask Zoya Nikitichna! How did you determine that there were three guys and two girls?

[SAVINA]: Because they were wearing a scarf.

[VARSEGOVA]: In general, there was a very interesting situation in Ivdel. We encountered this during our last expedition. From completely different sources in Ivdel, who are not acquainted with each other, there is information that there were not 9 corpses, but 11 corpses. And what Zoya Nikitichna is now telling us is very interesting. I don't know how to perceive this, because it seems to me that 9 people died.

[SAVINA]: They say there were 10. Yudin returned, after all.

[VARSEGOVA]: By the way, you saw Yudin then. How did you even understand that it was Yudin? What was he doing?

[SAVINA]: I saw him crying.

[–] Let me remind you: Yuri Yudin is the young man who at the last moment refused to go on a hike with Dyatlov's group, and in this miraculous way he saved his life. Did you meet him?

[SAVINA]: I saw him. He was crying near the morgue.

[–] Let's talk about the number of people. The official information is 9 dead. But you say that back in March you saw the bodies of two girls, but one of them was found only in May. Perhaps this means that there were more participants in the hike!

[KUNTSEVICH]: No. They were probably other people. They were thrown there.

[TUMANOV]: These are just other dead.

[–] What do you mean other? Those who died in the same circumstances? Or were there really more members of Dyatlov's group?

[TUMANOV]: She's talking about the kerchief. According to the description of the clothes, none of the girls were wearing a headscarf.

[–] Ivdel is a small town. Everyone knew that the members of Dyatlov's group were brought to the morgue. How could a random person end up there? It is possible that there was another participant in the hike, whose name is not documented. A participant who went on the hike, but whose identity had to be hidden!

[VARSEGOVA]: I don't believe in this conspiracy theory, to be honest. I am more inclined to the opinion of Eduard Tumanov and Yuri Kuntsevich that there were other victims. Or someone else was brought to the morgue at the same time as Dyatlov. People die, it is possible.

[SABINA]: Zoya Nikitichna! At what distance did you observe them? And what made you go look at the bodies anyway?

[SAVINA]: I heard that they were brought to the morgue, and I immediately went to look.

[SABINA]: How far were you from them?

[SAVINA]: We were peeping through the window. The windows at the bottom are painted over…

[TUMANOV]: She was peeping at the dead through the morgue window. Moreover, the lower part of the window was painted over. But they got up and looked! Anyone could have been lying there!
EXPERT: Zoya Niktichna! Did you actually see those bodies there?

[SAVINA]: Yes, I did.

EXPERT: That’s the absolute truth, of course.

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[–] В эфире программа «На самом деле». Это студия, в которой невозможно солгать. Шокирующий поворот в деле о гибели студентов на перевале Дятлова.
[–] Какие ещё приметы заставляют вас сомневаться и думать, что в той местности побывали посторонние? Расскажите мне.

[–ШАРАВИН]: Я думаю, что косвенно мои доказательства строятся на том, что очень странно в нашем присутствии вёл себя проводник лесник Пашин. Мы поднялись по остаткам лыжни до границы леса, а дальше лыжня исчезла, и мы не знали, куда дальше двигаться. Вот тут Пашин вступил в свою роль. Он невольно вывел нас к останцу на перевале, а потом стал рассказывать, что вероятное дальнейшее направление движения группы могло быть на перевал, то есть выше по хребту до Отортена.

[–] Значит, врзможно, он был осведомлён больше, чем вы?

[ШАРАВИН]: Да. Прежде всего он невольно стал спиной к камню, и он направил нас в том направлении, куда мы пошли и обнаружили палатку. Мы прошли порядка километра – и мы натыкаемся на палатку! Мы забираем из палатки спирт, вечером с ребятами мы предлагаем выпить за здравие ребят, а Пашин говорит так: «Пора уж за упокой пить, а не за здравие!»

[–] Это говорит о том, возможно, что он знал гораздо больше!

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: То, что рассказывает сейчас Михаил Шаравин, подтверждается документами из уголовного дела, а также допросом этого Пашина. Когда они высадились у перевала, когда их заставили искать палатку и пропавших туристов. И Пашин рассказывает, что палатку они нашли за 2 дня до того, как её нашли Шаравин и Слобцов.

Он говорит, что они шли с напарником и увидели палатку, очень сильно занесённую снегом. Они не стали её разрывать и прошли мимо, сходили ещё где-то поискали, вернулись и ничего студентам не сказали…
[–] Сколько на самом деле было участников похода группы Дятлова? Это вопрос, который предстоит нам обсуждать прямо сейчас.


Для меня очень важно сейчас пригласить в эту студию ещё одного необыкновенно важного свидетеля. Эта женщина, тогда ещё юная девушка, которая была санитаркой в ивдельского больнице, куда в марте 1959 года привезли погибших из группы Дятлова. Я хочу, чтобы к нашему разговору присоединилась Зоя Никитична Савина.

Здравствуйте! Мы говорим на эту тему уже очень долго, и для нас всегда очень важно услышать показания любого нового свидетеля. Итак, вы видели участников группы Дятлова дважды. Первый раз вы увидели их на автобусной остановке в Ивделе, когда они только собирались идти в поход. Второй раз вы увидели их в морге уже после того, как они погибли. Вы были очень любопытной девушкой и подсмотрели за тем, как тела погибших были доставлены в больницу. Расскажите нам об этом!

[САВИНА]: Я видела, в окошко видела. Я просто лазила, в морг смотрела.
[–] Опишите мне то, что вы видели. Это важно.

[САВИНА]: Там было 5 человек, две девочки и три мальчика.

[–] Какой месяц это был?

[=] Это было где-то в конце февраля, по-моему. 10 февраля я начала работать санитаркой.



[–] Я так понимаю, что одна из этих девушек – это Зина Колмогорова?

[САВИНА]: Я не знаю по имени. Платочек был надет на ней, в носочках она была. Обувь снята была. Как будто спать она приготовилась.

[–] То есть, тела были одеты, все предметы одежды на них были. Сейчас внимание! Вы говорите о том, что вы увидели тела двух девушек сразу. Наталья, подскажите мне, когда именно было обнаружено тело Дубининой?

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: Люда Дубинина была обнаружена 4 мая.

[–] То есть, спустя 2 месяца после того момента, на который указывает наша свидетельница.

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: Первой была найдена Зина Колмогорова, как раз в конце февраля её нашли.

[–] Но как объяснить то, что Зоя Никитична увидела тела сразу двух девушек? Хотя между этими находками прошло 2 месяца!

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: Давайте спросим это у Зои Никитичны! Вот как вы определили, что было три парня и две девушки?

[САВИНА]: Потому что платочек был одет на них.

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: Вообще в Ивделе была очень интересная ситуация, Мы с этим столкнулись во время нашей последней экспедиции. Из совершенно разных источников в Ивделе, которые между собой не знакомы, такая ходит информация, что было не 9 трупов, а 11 трупов. И то, что сейчас рассказывает Зоя Никитична, очень интересно. Я не знаю, как это воспринимать, потому что мне кажется, что погибли 9 человек.

[САВИНА]: Говорят, их было 10. Юдин вернулся ведь.

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: Кстати, вы видели Юдина тогда. Как вы вообще поняли, что это Юдин? Что он делал?

[САВИНА]: Я видела, как он плакал.

[–] Я напомню: Юрий Юдин – это тот молодой человек, который в последний момент отказался от похода с группой Дятлова, и таким чудесным образом он спас себе жизнь. Вы встречались с ним?

[САВИНА]: Я его видела. Он плакал возле морга.

[–] Давайте погворим о количестве людей. Официальная информация – 9 погибших. Но вы говорите о том, что ещё в марте вы увидели тела двух девушек, но одну из них нашли только в мае. Возможно, это означает, что участников похода было больше!

[КУНЦЕВИЧ]: Нет. Наверное, это другие люди. Их подкинули туда.

[ТУМАНОВ]: Это просто другие погибшие.

[–] Что значит другие? Это погибшие в тех же обстоятельствах? Или действительно членов группы Дятлова было больше?

[ТУМАНОВ]: Она говорит про косынку. Согласно описанию одежды, ни на одной из девушек не было косынки.

[–] Ивдель – маленький населённый пункт. Всем известно было, что в морг привезли участников группы Дятлова. Как там мог оказаться случайный человек? Возможно, что была ещё одна участница похода, имя которой не задокументировано. Участница, которая отправилась в поход, но персону которой нужно было скрыть!

[ВАРСЕГОВА]: Я не верю, если честно, в эту конспирологию. Я больше склоняюсь к мнению Эдуарда Туманова и Юрия Кунцевича о том, что были другие погибшие. Или одновременно с Дятловым кого-то ещё доставили в морг. Люди умирают, это возможно.

[САБИНА]: Зоя Никитична! На каком расстоянии вы наблюдали их? И что вообще заставило вас пойти смотреть трупы?

[САВИНА]: Я услыхала, что привезли их в морг, и я сразу пошла смотреть.

[САБИНА]: На каком удалении вы находились от них?

[САВИНА]: Мы в окошко подглядывали. Окна внизу закрашены…

[ТУМАНОВ]: Она подсматривала за погибшими через окно морга. Причём нижняя часть окна закрашена была. Но они поднимались и смотрели! Так там мог лежать кто угодно!
ЭКСПЕРТ: Зоя Никтичнка! Вы на самом деле видели там эти трупы?

[САВИНА]: Да, видела.

ЭКСПЕРТ: Это чистая правда, безусловно.

[GlennM]

Axelrod, thak you for the post and translation. That is another example of your serious and responsible contribution to the forum.

I am certainly doubtful of the accuracy of the obervations whuch amount to identifying gender by a garment seen through a peephole .

I am intrigued by the comments regarding Pashin, the Forester. Does this explain the presence of the flashlight found on top of 10 cm or 5 inches of snow on the tent?

As I recall, the tent was " officially" discovered as a dark shape in the distence. There is no mention of the rescuers following a ski or footpath to the tent. Further,  there were no prints found at the tent when discovered. Also when discovered, a new cut was made in the canvas to look inside.

Would Pashin go to the tent, leave a light, retreat and brush away his tracks,  come back and not take credit for discovery?

Yes, he made an unpopular toast, it signifies only a fatalistic apperciation of the situation.

[KathleenDSmith1]

Everyone and Teddy:

We forget the past when Bienko Vladislav Nikolaevich : (copy and paste)  UPI student who was supposed to go on the trek led by Dyatlov. Zolotaryov took his place in Dyatlov group. In UPI there were rumors circulating that he was not allowed to do the trek due to skipped exams. The Komsomol sent Bienko to a logging camp. Lev Ivanov trusted Bienko to develop some of the films found in the tent.  We will never find the original photos of  film that "Bienko" developed..
The Blotched image of believed was a tagalong and succumbed to death

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-volume-2-61?rbid=19667








Thanks
Kathleen D Smith

[GlennM]

Bienko was paid the equivalent of $4.27 to do a rush job developing photos. He did it. There is a photo of rescuers pulling a body on a sled. There is an underexposed image. Somehow, this is supposed to clarify that a 10th person perished with the DP9.

Once again, it is conspiracy and coverup with out rhyme or reason that I can see. The only true information is first hand information from film and diaries. All else is heresay, testimony and speculative in the absense of facts. Those speculations must be valid and reliable to have any bearing on the case. At best, they address the how, not the why of things.

Insight appreciated.

[Axelrod]

In addition to the 12 scattered photographs listed on the page

https://dyatlovpass.com/loose-photos

There was also a photo of a girl who was shown in the first film about the Dyatov Pass (1997-1999)



In is photo (format .PNG) from Russian forum .
Even in those years, only 40 years later, no one identified any UPI student in this girl.
Perhaps this is the tenth or eleventh victim that nurse Zoya Savina saw in the morgue in a headscarf.

[Axelrod]

This girl among other photos

[GlennM]

It seems unreasonable to me that the 10th or 11th person is never referred to in diaries. I believe it to be a total fiction and a distraction from the real questions ofnthe mystery.

The woman in the photo had a name. Who knows where the photo was taken. Further, if the girl wound up dead, what has that to do with the hikers?  Nothing.

Imstead, let us agree on where the last camp was. Let us agree on the unknown compelling force. Let us agree on what happened in the ravine. We need no 10th ghost.

[Ziljoe]

This girl among other photos

A table top with some photos ?

[Ziljoe]

Why post a picture of random pictures when all the photos are not from the 1959 Dyatlov pass incident.

It is either a deliberate effort to cause harm and damage the credibility of the forum or to purely get hits and prolong the debate .

[OLD JEDI 72]

In addition to the 12 scattered photographs listed on the page

https://dyatlovpass.com/loose-photos

There was also a photo of a girl who was shown in the first film about the Dyatov Pass (1997-1999)



In is photo (format .PNG) from Russian forum .
Even in those years, only 40 years later, no one identified any UPI student in this girl.
Perhaps this is the tenth or eleventh victim that nurse Zoya Savina saw in the morgue in a headscarf.

I've never seen this before, thanks for giving me something new to study!

[OLD JEDI 72]

Why post a picture of random pictures when all the photos are not from the 1959 Dyatlov pass incident.

It is either a deliberate effort to cause harm and damage the credibility of the forum or to purely get hits and prolong the debate .

Why not just troll him about his mum like last time? And what are you talking about "the credibility of the forum?" Where else is he supposed to post it? And the accusation that he's not interested in anything other than his own glory is a bit rich coming from you. You're on every post slinging ad hominem attacks around!

[OLD JEDI 72]

For entertainment purposes only. Not to impinge. Here's what my research assistant says:

1. Origin & Date
Source: One of the undeveloped film rolls found with the hikers’ bodies on the slope of Kholat Syakhl (“Dead Mountain”).

Date Taken: January 31 or February 1, 1959—on the outbound leg of their “Grade II” ski trek, just before they set up camp on the open slope.

2. Who You’re Seeing
Likely Subject: Most scholars identify her as Lyudmila Dubinina (one of the two young women in the group), seated on her skis beside her pulk (sled) and gear. Some have also suggested Zinaida “Zina” Kolmogorova, since both women wore similar parkas and used identical equipment—but the consensus leans toward Dubinina.

3. Gear & Setting
Ski Pulk: The small sled at her side carried much of the party’s camp equipment—tents, cooking gear, sleeping bags. In this shot you can see the canvas straps and wooden frame.

Forest Edge: Behind her are the larch and birch trees lining the ravine where the bodies would later be discovered. This exact slope became the site of the four hikers’ deaths from massive internal trauma.

4. Photographic Significance
Final “Normal” Moment: This frame shows the group relaxed and in good spirits—no sign yet of the catastrophic events to come that night.

Chronology Anchor: Investigators used photos like this to pin down the party’s timeline, confirming they reached the clearing on February 1, built their tent in the open snow, and then—for reasons still debated—cut their way out hours later.

5. Relation to the Ravine Injuries
No Visible Clues of Explosion: Even in high-resolution scans, you won’t find scorch marks, deformation of metal equipment, or any physical indication of a blast-wave on the tent or sled in this—or any—photo.

Contrast with Autopsy Findings: The serenity of this image contrasts sharply with the autopsy reports: four victims found in the nearby ravine suffered “severe chest fractures” (rib, sternum and spine) consistent with a high-energy pressure wave—yet with no external bruising.

6. Fuel for “Tenth Hiker” & “Unknown Woman” Theories
The “Neznakomka” Myth: Some conspiracy-minded researchers point to a distant figure seen in a separate roll of Dyatlov photos and christened the “Neznakomka” (“the unknown woman”), suggesting the group was stalked by a mysterious tenth person.

Counter-Explanation: That figure is almost certainly a snowbank or tree stump seen through multiple exposures—there is no authenticated “hidden” passenger in the pulk.

Bottom Line
This image is a poignant snapshot of Lyudmila Dubinina (or possibly Zina Kolmogorova) at the very moment the hikers still believed they were on a routine winter ski tour—just hours before the incomprehensible injuries and deaths in the ravine transformed them into one of Russia’s most enduring mysteries.

[OLD JEDI 72]

While this "other woman" theory seems to have been debunked, I believe it's important to post these things occasionally, as new users (like me) to the forum, may not have seen them before.

The “Neznakomka” (“Unknown Woman”) is one of the more enduring—and most thoroughly debunked—Dyatlov Pass legends. Here’s how the myth grew and why virtually every serious investigator today rejects it:

1. Origin of the Myth
A blurry figure on the negatives: When several of the Dyatlov group’s undeveloped film rolls were finally processed, one frame shows a vaguely humanoid shape standing some distance from the tent. Conspiracy-minded websites and forums immediately dubbed her the “Neznakomka,” suggesting the hikers were stalked by a mysterious tenth member or a shadowy Mansi hunter
Reddit
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2. Popular Theories about the “Unknown Woman”
A secret tenth hiker: Some claimed she was a tenth expedition member never officially recorded, perhaps a spy or a guide who disappeared under suspicious circumstances.

A local pursuer: Others posited she was a Mansi tribeswoman intent on driving the students off “her” mountain.

Paranormal entity: In occult circles she’s even been labeled a ghost or extraterrestrial observer.

3. The Reality Check
Multiple exposures and artifacts: Closer analysis of the entire film reel shows this “figure” only appears on a single frame, in a location where later images reveal snowbanks, tree stumps and camera-strap shadows. In other words, it’s a parallax artifact—a quirk of film development and double-exposure—rather than a flesh-and-blood human
Dyatlov Pass
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Trail evidence: If there had been a real person that close to the campsite, fresh footprints in the snow would have been obvious. None were ever documented beyond the nine hikers’ tracks.

Group testimony & records: All nine members appear by name in diaries, university approvals and tent inventories; no tenth name or alias ever surfaces.

Why the Myth Persists
Mystery fuels speculation: The Dyatlov case remains officially “disputed,” and gaps in the Soviet-era files invite endless conjecture.

Compelling imagery: A vague, human-shaped blur is exactly the sort of photo that fans of supernatural and cover-up theories love to exploit.

Bottom Line: There was no tenth member, indigenous stealth-hunter, or ghostly watcher hiding behind that flimsy tent. The “Neznakomka” is simply a quirk of old film and a testament to how hungry we are for an extra twist in an already baffling tragedy.

[Ziljoe]

Why post a picture of random pictures when all the photos are not from the 1959 Dyatlov pass incident.

It is either a deliberate effort to cause harm and damage the credibility of the forum or to purely get hits and prolong the debate .

Why not just troll him about his mum like last time? And what are you talking about "the credibility of the forum?" Where else is he supposed to post it? And the accusation that he's not interested in anything other than his own glory is a bit rich coming from you. You're on every post slinging ad hominem attacks around!

My apologies OLD JEDI . I reference the credibility to the forum of the multiple photos. It is a mix of photos from various years , or so it's claimed . There is no reference to where the multiple photos came from , when it was taken or who took it and for what purpose. It adds confusion and I wouldn't expect Axelrod to confuse the pictures as he will know.

I'm sure Axelrod will give a source to the photos . Axelrod has referenced his mother's and families knowledge on the Dyatlov pass.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Why post a picture of random pictures when all the photos are not from the 1959 Dyatlov pass incident.

It is either a deliberate effort to cause harm and damage the credibility of the forum or to purely get hits and prolong the debate .

Why not just troll him about his mum like last time? And what are you talking about "the credibility of the forum?" Where else is he supposed to post it? And the accusation that he's not interested in anything other than his own glory is a bit rich coming from you. You're on every post slinging ad hominem attacks around!

My apologies OLD JEDI . I reference the credibility to the forum of the multiple photos. It is a mix of photos from various years , or so it's claimed . There is no reference to where the multiple photos came from , when it was taken or who took it and for what purpose. It adds confusion and I wouldn't expect Axelrod to confuse the pictures as he will know.

I'm sure Axelrod will give a source to the photos . Axelrod has referenced his mother's and families knowledge on the Dyatlov pass.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I was like his mum? Dang it's getting deep lol so that's why I went on the offense a bit.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Here's what I found on the where this picture comes from: 

That image of the lone skier seated on her pulk isn’t a stray tourist photo at all but one of the original Dyatlov-party negatives—specifically, it comes from Film № 1 recovered in Georgiy Krivonischenko’s Zorkii “488797” camera.

Camera ownership: Krivonischenko (one of the nine hikers) packed a Zorkii rangefinder for candid group shots. When search teams found his body, that camera still held a full 34-frame roll.

Which frame: This is among the last “normal” expedition frames—showing Lyudmila Dubinina (or, by some accounts, Zinaida Kolmogorova) at the edge of the ravine, taken just before they pitched the tent on that open slope.

Why it matters: Because it’s on Krivonischenko’s roll, not Igor Dyatlov’s or Rustem Slobodin’s, it confirms he was photographing the site right up until the tragic events later that night, and it anchors our timeline to their final moments of calm.

In short, this isn’t an anonymous tourist snap—it’s one of the nine hikers’ own cameras (Krivonischenko’s), captured just hours before the tent was abandoned.

[Ziljoe]

Why post a picture of random pictures when all the photos are not from the 1959 Dyatlov pass incident.

It is either a deliberate effort to cause harm and damage the credibility of the forum or to purely get hits and prolong the debate .

Why not just troll him about his mum like last time? And what are you talking about "the credibility of the forum?" Where else is he supposed to post it? And the accusation that he's not interested in anything other than his own glory is a bit rich coming from you. You're on every post slinging ad hominem attacks around!

My apologies OLD JEDI . I reference the credibility to the forum of the multiple photos. It is a mix of photos from various years , or so it's claimed . There is no reference to where the multiple photos came from , when it was taken or who took it and for what purpose. It adds confusion and I wouldn't expect Axelrod to confuse the pictures as he will know.

I'm sure Axelrod will give a source to the photos . Axelrod has referenced his mother's and families knowledge on the Dyatlov pass.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I was like his mum? Dang it's getting deep lol so that's why I went on the offense a bit.

Perhaps a lesson for all of us?  I did not see what was in the deleted post and it may have nothing to do with me as to why the post was deleted.

[Ziljoe]

Here's what I found on the where this picture comes from: 

That image of the lone skier seated on her pulk isn’t a stray tourist photo at all but one of the original Dyatlov-party negatives—specifically, it comes from Film № 1 recovered in Georgiy Krivonischenko’s Zorkii “488797” camera.

Camera ownership: Krivonischenko (one of the nine hikers) packed a Zorkii rangefinder for candid group shots. When search teams found his body, that camera still held a full 34-frame roll.

Which frame: This is among the last “normal” expedition frames—showing Lyudmila Dubinina (or, by some accounts, Zinaida Kolmogorova) at the edge of the ravine, taken just before they pitched the tent on that open slope.

Why it matters: Because it’s on Krivonischenko’s roll, not Igor Dyatlov’s or Rustem Slobodin’s, it confirms he was photographing the site right up until the tragic events later that night, and it anchors our timeline to their final moments of calm.

In short, this isn’t an anonymous tourist snap—it’s one of the nine hikers’ own cameras (Krivonischenko’s), captured just hours before the tent was abandoned.

I do not think this information is correct.Where did this information come from?

[OLD JEDI 72]

Your favorite, AI. But check this out, it says it's from frame 34 of Yuri Kri's camera but disputes this websites version of frame 34 saying it's Igor's last image. This thing is either very smart or dumb lol. However, I do like the speed for which it assists.

ChatGPT said:
What you’re seeing on that page is actually the single under-exposed, distorted image from Igor Dyatlov’s second roll – not the sharp daylight frame from Krivonischenko’s camera. The site’s “Frame 34” refers to their own sequential numbering of all the images they have, and so they’ve numbered Dyatlov’s lone dark shot as “34” in their gallery. Here’s why it looks so damaged:

Under-exposure:

That shot was taken at dusk (or in a whiteout), so the film never got enough light. It records almost nothing but fogged-out blurs.

Brittle, frozen emulsion:

At –30 °C the gelatin layer on the film cracks. When the roll was thawed weeks later, those fine fractures became white streaks and spider-web patterns.

Physical abrasion:

Handling rough snowy gloves, then Soviet lab technicians’ early scanners, left scratches, dirt and water spots all over the negative.

Digitization artifacts:

Low-contrast scans magnify every speck of dust and scratch. What little image there was gets overwhelmed by noise during scanning, so the result looks more “damaged” than “photo.”

In short, the “Frame 34” in their gallery is the very last—but horribly under-exposed—negative from Igor Dyatlov’s own Zorkii camera. Its ghostly, scratched appearance isn’t a broken link, but the real state of that film.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Even the negatives show that blurry photo as the final, so something is up! But the fact it insists it's from Yuri K's camera is weird because all I did was upload the picture and ask it where it's from.

[Ziljoe]

I would suspect the AI will only search for what's available, like what is discussed on this forum. It's a failed feed back loop. All we have is the theories and many have come to a stand still.

If it's search statements from fake or false claims , all it can do is repeat what has already been said.

[OLD JEDI 72]

I would suspect the AI will only search for what's available, like what is discussed on this forum. It's a failed feed back loop. All we have is the theories and many have come to a stand still.

If it's search statements from fake or false claims , all it can do is repeat what has already been said.

Ok, I did a Deep Research (it took 20 minutes) and think you will like the conclusion: 

Origin and Inclusion in Official Case Files
This photograph is legitimate and originates from the Dyatlov expedition’s own film rolls, not a later hoax or fabrication. It was found in the Soviet case files of the 1959 Dyatlov Pass incident, albeit as a puzzling outlier. In early March 1959, a student volunteer (a member of the search party) retrieved Igor Dyatlov’s camera from the abandoned tent and developed its film privately before handing it over to investigators​
dyatlovpass.com
. Investigators then added several “loose” photos (unaligned with the main rolls) into the case evidence. This included the now-infamous image of a seated hiker who did not match any of the nine known victims​
dyatlovpass.com
. In other words, the photo genuinely appears in the official archival documents – it was “introduced in the case file without explanation of its origin”​
dyatlovpass.com
 – but it does not show a mystery attacker or unknown rescuer. Instead, research by the Dyatlov Foundation indicates the shot likely came from Igor Dyatlov’s camera (serial №55242643) and had been taken before the fatal trek. The film in that camera contained mostly older images, and only the very last frames were from the Dyatlov party’s final journey​
dyatlovpass.com
. The earliest known source of this photo is thus the 1959 investigative archives themselves, which remained classified for decades. It resurfaced publicly in the 2000s when investigators like Aleksey Koskin and Yuri Kuntsevich obtained copies of the case files and negatives (notably in 2009)​
dyatlovpass.com
. The photo was published on the Dyatlov Foundation’s website as one of several “loose photos” that had no clear place in the main sequence of the group’s journey​
dyatlovpass.com
. In modern publications and documentaries, the image is often reproduced directly from those archives (for example, major news outlets credit it as “photo from the case materials, via Dyatlov Pass site”)​
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. All evidence affirms that it belongs to the original collection of expedition photographs – its legitimacy is not in doubt. The mystery lies in why it shows an unfamiliar person.

[OLD JEDI 72]

How did an unrelated person’s photo end up in the Dyatlov case files? The likely explanation is quite mundane: the film roll in Igor Dyatlov’s camera had leftover exposures from an earlier outing. It was common for student hikers to reuse film rolls, meaning the first portion of that roll could contain images from a previous hike (featuring people who were not on the Dyatlov Pass trek). Indeed, investigators note that only the final frame on Igor’s roll was from the 1959 trek, with the earlier frames showing older scenes​
dyatlovpass.com
. That would perfectly explain why a photo of Dubinina’s friend ended up alongside the Dyatlov expedition images – it was simply never separated when the films were developed under rushed conditions in 1959. The Soviet investigators apparently filed the entire developed roll’s prints into evidence, even if some showed unrelated subjects. (In the chaos of the search and investigation, this oversight is understandable – initially, officials might not have recognized the woman and included the print out of thoroughness or mistake.) Later archivists like Koskin catalogued it as an “unknown photo,” noting the woman “does not participate in the trek”​
dyatlovpass.com
. No official source identifies the woman by name, but Dyatlov researchers have made educated guesses. A second “loose” photo in the archive shows a group of hikers from an earlier trip, and in that image the same unknown girl appears alongside Lyudmila Dubinina (smiling together in a group shot)​
dyatlovpass.com
. This suggests she was likely a fellow UPI student and friend in the university’s hiking club. In short, the figure is almost certainly an “outsider” to the Dyatlov Pass incident itself – a known person from the hikers’ social circle, but not present on Dead Mountain. There is no evidence she secretly tagged along during the final trek, and all Dyatlov group diaries and testimonies confirm only the original nine were on the route. Therefore, the photo does not depict a mysterious tenth hiker at the scene of the tragedy, but rather a misplaced memory from an earlier adventure. Modern Dyatlov case investigators consider this identification settled: the photo is authentic but contextually unrelated to the fatal incident​
dyatlovpass.com
.

-Seems pretty cut and dried to me.

[Ziljoe]

Exactly, as it's been discussed before. 

[GlennM]

Cute girl and a guy with a camera, problem solved.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Exactly, as it's been discussed before. 

I understand your frustration now, especially since Axelrod seems to be muddying the waters with old stuff. That's on him but the nature of this forum is that someone new (like me) is always joining and maybe he's trying to peddle his wares essentially. I had never heard of the situation and thankfully didn't have to invest too much time searching thanks to the AI. To someone like you who probably knows everything about the incident, this is obviously very tedious.

Around, around the mulberry bush.. Don't go pop!

[GlennM]

Piece of advice. In the written word, one can not see the wink and smile. Conversely, you can't see the bottom teeth showing to differentiate between a thoughtful comment and a snarky remark.

I think the AI effort to divine Igor's thoughts as an explanation for ultimately abandoning the tent might produce a useful thread. I personally think there was no choice except do or die at the tent. An AI query would have to be based on fact and lead to an inescapable conclusion. The reason I do not hold out much hope is that by definition an unknown compelling force is unknown. That variable is the Rosetta Stone of the mystery. I suppose various scenarios could be fed to the bot, but at some point a human is going to assign values for greater and lesser likelihood. And then we are back to speculation.

[Ziljoe]

Exactly, as it's been discussed before. 

I understand your frustration now, especially since Axelrod seems to be muddying the waters with old stuff. That's on him but the nature of this forum is that someone new (like me) is always joining and maybe he's trying to peddle his wares essentially. I had never heard of the situation and thankfully didn't have to invest too much time searching thanks to the AI. To someone like you who probably knows everything about the incident, this is obviously very tedious.

Around, around the mulberry bush.. Don't go pop!

I don't know everything about the incident but I do know there's a lot of fake news about the Dyatlov pass. It is the same fake news that is used in political circles and social media. It will be extremely difficult if not impossible for AI to differentiate between factual and fake news regardless of the questions asked on any topic. There are many theories and they all have their own holes and contradictions. None unfortunately are conclusive.

Researching them all is time consuming and takes a lot of cross-reference. Even some of the original witnesses that gave later interviews suggest their statements were used in an manipulative way or misused in later theories.


The question is, what information can we trust ?. We now have ( or Ido) a better understanding of the Mansi tree signs and there family names.

We have a picture from the searchers saying " unknown body " which is just a description of the photo. It is not saying there was a uknow body at the pass.

The later picture of the woman sitting on the skis is just that , an unknown picture that could be taken from any hike at that time in history. The accuracy as to when it was dropped into the Dyatlov pass incident is open to debate but as far as it has been researched the picture has no connection to the case files.

Axelrod has written a collection of the theories in his book which would also be a good place for you to start and the Dyatlov pass website. From there you could find good questions to use your AI  to confirm those theories?

It is tedious for sure but researching always has been....

[OLD JEDI 72]

I understand your reservations because I have had them up until recently. It's a money thing also, if you notice its first responses they were generic like it was possibly Zina or Dubinina but then when I changed to the beta 4.5 model and did a Deep Research (I pay $20 a month for Plus access) you saw the difference. It also searched snopes which it doesn't do unless it's a deep research. I'm sure Axelrods book is riveting lol, but I'll pass. I am fairly confident the photo is of a hiker from a previous expedition.