Strange injuries to Kolevatov

[MDGross]

Kolevatov's autopsy report notes that he had a "wound" behind his right ear that "penetrated" into the mastoid process, which is a small, rounded bone behind the ear lobe. It certainly could have been caused by a fall into the ravine, but damage to that bone without breaking the skin and cartilage of his right ear is very unlikely. Perhaps the ear was too decomposed to make such a determination. The report makes no mention of damage to the ear.

Even more strange is the note that Kolevatov's neck was "deformed in the area of the thyroid cartilage." If you press on your Adam's Apple, you're pressing your thyroid cartilage, which helps protect your larynx. The question that's unanswered is how's the neck "deformed." It's hard for me to imagine hitting the right side of the head and still seriously damaging neck vertebrae. Wouldn't the side of the head absorb most of the impact?

Finally, medical examiner Vozrozhdenniy states: "I think that his death was the result of low temperature." He concludes, however, that: "The cause of death of Kolevatov was through violence." Perhaps the translation is faulty, but Vozrozhdenniy doesn't describe the deaths of the others found in the ravine in the same manner. I believe you could argue that all of them died as a result of hypothermia caused by falling into the ravine, which broke ribs and skulls. But the wording is inconsistent when looking at all four autopsy reports. Just inaccurately written I guess.

[Ziljoe]

I can't remember where this was discussed before but there's three terms for reason for death . Violence is used in all the autopsy reports for the 9 hikers, it doesn't  mean violence by a fight or another person. I think it is the correct legal term to use from what remember.  A legal definition was given and a link to the documentation.

I did read that the deformed neck may have been post mortem as we're some of the other injuries. However, the deformed neck also gives an indication that there was a similar force to all the ravine 4 in that very location where they were found.

[Axelrod]

Here is an article that appeared on the site about a year ago.

https://dyatlovpass.com/deev-letters?rbid=18461

The article is too big to read, but I came across the same text on a Russian forum.

The point is that a certain person, who now died in an accident, previously had access to a parallel investigation that went through the KGB, but the person describes everything in his own words. It can be understood that in the autopsyof Kolevatov, which was provided to the KGB. it is described that Kolevatov's death was caused by a craniocerebral injury, which is on the right, closer to the neck.

Since I do not have access to these originals in the KGB, I cannot confirm or deny these statements. If such a brain injury is present, then it remains unclear to me whether it is the cause of death, or some kind of posthumous barbarity. Another such moment, I also see a wound on the left side of the neck, but it is not described in any way in the autopsy report of Kolevatov's body. This is also strange.

Also, this person writes about 11 corpses. Perhaps, in addition to the KGB investigation, this person read Solter's interview.
But if the KGB investigation includes descriptions of 11 corpses, then we do not know much.
It is unclear who these two are, in addition to nine people in Dyatlov group.

[Ziljoe]

Here is an article that appeared on the site about a year ago.

https://dyatlovpass.com/deev-letters?rbid=18461

The article is too big to read, but I came across the same text on a Russian forum.

The point is that a certain person, who now died in an accident, previously had access to a parallel investigation that went through the KGB, but the person describes everything in his own words. It can be understood that in the autopsyof Kolevatov, which was provided to the KGB. it is described that Kolevatov's death was caused by a craniocerebral injury, which is on the right, closer to the neck.

Since I do not have access to these originals in the KGB, I cannot confirm or deny these statements. If such a brain injury is present, then it remains unclear to me whether it is the cause of death, or some kind of posthumous barbarity. Another such moment, I also see a wound on the left side of the neck, but it is not described in any way in the autopsy report of Kolevatov's body. This is also strange.

Also, this person writes about 11 corpses. Perhaps, in addition to the KGB investigation, this person read Solter's interview.
But if the KGB investigation includes descriptions of 11 corpses, then we do not know much.
It is unclear who these two are, in addition to nine people in Dyatlov group.

Hi Axelrod.

Could you please confirm your view point on the Dyatlov pass?  You have claimed so many different scenarios, it has now become impossible to to understand any view point from you.

Ask your mum or your family members

Thanks in advance.

[amashilu]

NOTE: Axelrod posted a reply here earlier this morning, but it had some inappropriate parts and I have removed it and asked him to try again.

amashilu

[Axelrod]

As for my mother and her explanation, I will try to explain it as I understand it..
In JavaScript (programming for web-pags), there is a concept of typeof = "undefined".
I don't have such a concept in C++, but a pointer to a variable can have a zero value,
char *ptr= NULL; (or  char *ptr=0;) i.e. it points to the beginning of a segment in RAM with no used data.

Another example, you come to the doctor, and he has to make a diagnosis of unknown illness.
Sitiation with Kolevatov is similar to this

Many people try to explain DPI in own way, when it would be correct to operate with the concept of typeof = "undefined".
Many people have such an explanation. Another people come up with a version that a person was covered with nine blankets, and these blankets broke his/her ribs.

[MDGross]

When I read Kolevatov's autopsy report, it seems strange to me that a medical professional, assuming Vozrozhdenniy was such a person, would give such a vague description of Kolevatov's "deformed" neck. Was his head tilted to the side or forward? How did the cervical vertebrae appear? Was Vozrozhdenniy instructed to keep the language vague? Were his notes more specific and then someone in typing his notes deleted the specifics? Was the neck injured in a way that couldn't have been caused by a fall, but by something else?

[Axelrod]

If you look at the photo of Kolevatov's body (2 photos on the pass in May 1959), you can see a dark spot on the neck, which is on the left. You can find this photo, but I will not insert it here, because my post will be deleted.

At first I thought that the expert confused the left and right sides. Then I learned that the expert possibly described death from a craniocerebral injury in the described place on the right side. This conclusion remained in the KGB case, as we are told, or it is a fake. Choose for yourself!

If there is a wound on the right and left, then it is possible that this is a bullet wound to the neck. The bullet flew through and crushed his skull.

What happens next. The conclusions for the relatives' message are adjusted, and this is done either by the expert or the investigator.
The features and defects of the typewriter letters match on the pages of Kolevatov's autopsy with other pages of the prosecutor's case. as Ankudinov and Dmitrievskaya found. I looked at these pages and can agree. Although the text should be printed in a medical institution, with the signature of a physician. There is no medical laboratory seal on these sheets at all. Perhaps the expert agreed to put his signature on the revised medical report. But the reprinted page no longer mentions Kolevatov's craniocerebral injury.

Further, Kolevatov's injuries also continue to disappear from the pages of the criminal case
In the draft resolution to terminate the investigation, it was written that Kolevatov only had bruises.
(You can check that this sheet is classified secret in the second volume. Most likely, this is also related to radiation, not only mentions of bruises.) It feels like Kolevatov fled abroad or wanted to transfer secret samples of materials abroad, as Mr. Rakitin reports,
but this maneuver was discovered by the special services, and Alexander was shot as a traitor.

The other witnesses (Doroshenko, Dyatlov and others) were also destroyed. But it is possible that Zolotarev was a KGB agent who tracked all of Kolevatov's steps during the campaign. But Zolotarev was saved, and another person was planted in his place.

[GlennM]

In the forum, a lot of the more serious injuries tend to be attributed to something dramatic like a bomb or an errant missile. I am remimded that the cardinal symptom in these events is " blast lung". This condition caused by wild fluctuations in air pressure is going to be obvious during autopsy, especially if secondary and tertiary injuries of burns and broken bones are observed. It appears that blast lung was not identified among the deceased. For me, the explanation of these injuries sustained by the hikers must then be the result of trip-fall, crush under snow, accidential fire burn, and maybe some infighting as things became desparate.

A blast did not drive them from the tent, else there would be no tent. They left because they could not stay. They left because there was no other acceptable choice. I believe it was a threat of suffocation from excess snow on the tent and the supposition that more was to come. That urgency made them abandon their snow boots. Since their skis were under the tent, ski boots would come to mind later. We have it that valenki are effective in snow.

[Arjan]

@ GlennM and other members

The post mortem reports - in case factual - describe three group members that may show signs that at least hint on blast lung injuries.

The post mortem report for Yuri Dor. states:
- 'Around the right cheek, the soft tissue is covered with a layer of foamy grey fluid. Grey fluid traces are also visible around the opening of the mouth'.

Foamy fluid may be a sign of a blast lung.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4919801/ states:
- 'Pulmonary PBI (“Blast Lung”) would present with symptoms of dyspnoea, cough (dry to productive with frothy sputum)".

Two broken ribcages may be caused as primary fatal - Lyudmila - and very serious - Semyon (or his replaced individual) - blast injury.

In case the photos in the mortuary or factual: it will hard/impossible to explain the fatal broken ribcage of Lyudmila otherwise then being caused by a blast/pressure wave.   

[GlennM]

Arjan, thanks for thr input. Regarding blast lung, we would expect bloody discharge. This is because the smallest air sacs called alveoli ( grape clusters) rupture. We may also expect pneumothorax where air leaks between lungs and chest wall. I had thought the grey foam might be related to seizures from rapid breathing through clenched teeth then saliva foams the mouth. Seizures can be the result of ingestion, environment or heredity.

I discount airborne detonations such as bombs and rockets. I think it unlikely that soldier Zolo had a pocket full of explosives.
I do think that being crushed by heavy snow, uncontrolled shivering and salivation may produce the injuries and the foam.

It is sort of a romantic thought to consider Zolo and Lyuda together doing something heroic before devastation.

[Arjan]

@GlennM and other members

GlennM, you are right. Bloody froth/foam is as well possible sign of a blast lung.
For others: use Google with keywords: 'froth', foam, 'Blast lung' for more information.

All possible injuries depend on the distance from the blast source and the kind of blast source.

Personally I agree with GlennM that the source of the blast had not been several explosives carried by one of the group members.

In the theory - described in several post 'Last two days of the Dyatlov Group' - I assumed that:
- center of the blast had been high in the air, pretty close to the ravine
- the shape of the ravine had acted as a hollow mirror, magnifying the pressure wave to an epicentre at the ribcages of Semyon and Lyudmila
- Thibo had been standing on top of the Ravine: his head injury had been caused by toppling sideways - unconscious - in the ravine, while hitting a stone.
- the tent had been further from the center of the blast wave, the group members near the tent had mild blast injuries;
* Yuri Dor: mild blast lung, only froth and coughing fluid from the lungs
* Zinaida: temporally? damaged valves in the veins in her calves
* Rustem: temporally? damaged valves in veins of his underarm.

Next to this: studies to blast rib cage fractures done with pigs show that it is extremely hard to imitate the kind of ribcage fracture - caused by a blast - via other means of violence.
If the ribcage fracture of Lyudmila looks to be caused by a blast, it may well been caused by a blast.

The source of the blast:
- meteor?
- huge/massive bomb/rocket to hamper U2 airplanes?

My major problems with the slab theory is:
1. not any proof at all is visible on the photos - made by the first search party - near the tent site; on the contrerary: some hunderd meters down hill from the tent no snow at all is visible
2. the several meters snow in the ravine - as visible on the photos made by the second search party - may very well be collected in the ravine by the wind between the end of January and the beginning of May.   


 

[GlennM]

Arjan, good analysis.
The slab theory might be supported if the wind carried the loose snow from the tent to the forest where it collected including the ravine. The raised footprints attest to a scourinb wind.

Arjan, if there was blast damage, how do you think the trees and the snow on the ground would be affected by the pressure wave? Can you make an arguement for the blast causing a collapse at the ravine? Could the blast leave damage on trees?

We have similar problems in the regard of a blast and a slab slide being non permanent events. What traces are left?

The damage to the ravine 4 might be from a fall, or it might be a crush. It seems that aerial detonation at the right place and time requires assumptions and chance.

[Arjan]

Probably I will make a seperate post about the consequences of a blasting meteor high in the air illustrated by and based upon the meteor that flew over Russia in 2013.

As appetiser I will already include in this reply videos about:
- an explanation about Mach wave behind a supersonic airplane: see:
- a compilation about videos of the effects of this meteor on people and buildings: see:

On video of a compilatio of the effects on:
7:00 doors and windows are displaced while the solid structure remains standing
8:42 Hollow structure of the building - in analogue with ribcage - fractured, while solid elektricity poles and wires remain intact standing.
10:03 Hole in the ground caused by the meteor.

In the map below similar kind of holes (encircled on the map) are visible within a distances of some 10 km from the Dyatlow Pass.



To avoid misunderstandings, I do not claim that any of these holes are made by a meteor, although I may/might well be the case.

[OLD JEDI 72]

I do believe in some sort of explosion. A meteor would explain it but twice? I consider two events. One to get people out of the tent and the ravine event.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Probably I will make a seperate post about the consequences of a blasting meteor high in the air illustrated by and based upon the meteor that flew over Russia in 2013.

As appetiser I will already include in this reply videos about:
- an explanation about Mach wave behind a supersonic airplane: see:
- a compilation about videos of the effects of this meteor on people and buildings: see:

On video of a compilatio of the effects on:
7:00 doors and windows are displaced while the solid structure remains standing
8:42 Hollow structure of the building - in analogue with ribcage - fractured, while solid elektricity poles and wires remain intact standing.
10:03 Hole in the ground caused by the meteor.

In the map below similar kind of holes (encircled on the map) are visible within a distances of some 10 km from the Dyatlow Pass.



To avoid misunderstandings, I do not claim that any of these holes are made by a meteor, although I may/might well be the case.

Would this be the ravine event, or the initial event? Something got them out of the tent, but they made no rush downhill, but left everything. Then something else happened. The strangest combination of two separate events.

[GlennM]

Do you all believe a meteor trail would be seen from Vizhay? Curious that nobody pursued the idea during the criminal investigation.