The notenook

[GlennM]

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Zolo next to Lyuda and face up. If he had a notebook in hand, his hand position is odd. First, it would be plain for any one to  see. Secondly, I think it more likely that a notebook would be clutched and held close to the chest. If he was injured severely before death, I think the same holds true. He would hold is arms in close to his chest to restrict his ribs.

From the image, I can imagine them all being rolled with Lyuda being the first off the ledge. Alternately, if they were climbing over the ledge to get to the den, then Lyuda just didn't have the ability to continue. She and the others were spent.

[SURI]

Next to Lyuda was not Zolo, but Tibo. He was carrying Lyuda on his back at the time of the fall. Zolo, in turn, was leading Kolevatov, which is why they were lying next to each other when they fell together.

[Axelrod]

Next to Lyuda was not Zolo, but Tibo. He was carrying Lyuda on his back at the time of the fall. Zolo, in turn, was leading Kolevatov, which is why they were lying next to each other when they fell together.

This is like an assumption, like one of the versions, like a flight of fantasy.
Other people will read it and think that it is really 100% true.
In Russian, there is such an expression: and you were holding a candle when you saw it?

[SURI]

The scene in the ravine corresponds to the fall, see Lyuda's outstretched arms, Tibo's bent leg. And if someone threw them there, they wouldn't be lying next to each other with their heads in one straight line. And if there was a snow collapse, they would suffocate. This foursome worked together until the end and died last. The shod ones helped the barefoot ones. Two pairs, two broken ribs.

[OLD JEDI 72]

The scene in the ravine corresponds to the fall, see Lyuda's outstretched arms, Tibo's bent leg. And if someone threw them there, they wouldn't be lying next to each other with their heads in one straight line. And if there was a snow collapse, they would suffocate. This foursome worked together until the end and died last. The shod ones helped the barefoot ones. Two pairs, two broken ribs.

That's another assumption, if they were thrown in there they didn't necessarily have to be dead first but maybe crawled around and attempted to get upright as in Lydia's case or orientated. There are no definitives, only theories.

[Marc]

Yes, we all assume and construct theories. This forum is full of them. In my opinion, to construct what happened in every little detail, from every angle, to fit every piece of evidence into a mosaic - it's just writing a movie script, nothing more.
Just one small piece of evidence can be interpreted differently, one wrong conclusion leads to a bunch of new wrong conclusions, until everything is one big fantasy that has nothing to do with what actually happened. That's why I prefer to look at the Dyatlov Pass incident from a bird's eye view.

If the simple question would ever be clarify - was it murder or not - it would personally give me peace of mind. A more detailed explanation would be an unattainable goal anyway after all these decades.

[GlennM]

Many of these peripheral discussions are an attempt to extrapolate backwards in time to discern original causes. They use an " if-then- else" logic. This means that there is always an alternative explanation to an " if-then" explanation, that being the " else"  possibility.

Find things that can not have an " else" condition and you move the needle towards the truth. Here is one. They all died.

[ahabmyth]

I think we are all reading to much into the why and wherefores regarding this incident.
I have been thinking about the incident and it goes like this.
The group apart from 2 others Dubinina and Dyatlov were Grade 3 hikers. So apart from maybe geological tasks, they were there to accomplish . (their Grade3. Now I know they were all accomplished hikers but somewhere along the track they fell into a trap.
It is generally assumed they fled in panic at the time, but these footprints suggest an orderly approach.
So maybe the tent just tore open from its many repairs or was just ready for take off ( I remember in my youth my father had made a tent for 8 people around the same year maybe 58 and we went camping on a beach and at the end off the school holidays in 1959 with sunshine all the way a ferocious storm was brewing, the old man took us to someone holidaying in a caravan for safety, we were 3kids 7-8-12. Anyhow along came the storm and away went the tent spinning on its side going out to sea, never saw it again.)
So the tent splits open from the weather, but instead of staying with the tent they decide to go down to the treeline for cover as in the orderly footsteps that are seen. Unfortunately with the goods they were trying to take with them there were many accidents resulting in a few cracked ribs a head fracture and many cuts and bruises on the hands from the snow-on-slate situation until they reached the treeline, battered and bruised Dyatlov gives some orders. But wait one of the group is not there so 3 of the group including Dylatov head back for the tent not realizing the missing person has circumvented them and arrived back with the others who are making a fire, the 3 succumb to the cold.Back at the tree a few of them climb to see if they can see the 3 ,to no avail. The fire has gone out due to a lack of fuel. 2 stay with the cedar whilst the remaining 4 go off in search of fuel but end up in a creek which adds to their demise. The 2 at the cedar succumb to the cold.-------- conclusion pitch black,bad luck and freezing temperature with an unusualy fierce wind.---- No trees No aliens No wild animals No military experiments etc etc etc.

[GlennM]

I loke the thinking, but we need clarification. One arguement is they left the torn tent with supplies which in turn precipitated injuries. The forensic reports imdicate that while some small items like soap and antibiotic pills were found in pockets, there does not seem to be an imdication of what was brought down from the tent, nor what became of it.

I favor natural causes. I thought they would have cut the tent for ponchos before abandoning it, but if they did,  then the stores they brought with them, including their skis could be scattered to Siberia by the winds.