Solved yet again - tent cut from inside.

[Ziljoe]

Good post, Ziljoe. And I will reiterate that if they did stop near the rock to assess the situation, they chose to not return to the tent. This would have been a good time to say "I'm freezing, can we go back now?" But they didn't. The life-threatening situation at the tent was still extant.

The alleged pause at the ridge may be to assess where to approach the treeline or the best route down the slope or to decide to return . I'm sure this year's winter expedition said that visibility is quite good in the dark given the right conditions and it's actually easier to see without a flashlight.

We can only guess at what the weather conditions were but due to the raised footprints , it suggests that there was some fresh snow coming in from somewhere that hadn't turned to the hard snow that can be walked on without leaving foot prints. ...or... there was some sort of significant temperature change to the snow.

Although the raised prints are found below the tent , the fact that they are raised footprints means that the snow depth was deeper on the night of the incident and in the following days , that snow was blown or eroded away . This may also give us a reason as to why the torch was found on the tent without snow, it was just blown away.

I don't fully understand the conditions that are required for the raised footprints but it does give us some solid information amongst a lot of poor information.

[SURI]

Good post, Ziljoe. And I will reiterate that if they did stop near the rock to assess the situation, they chose to not return to the tent. This would have been a good time to say "I'm freezing, can we go back now?" But they didn't. The life-threatening situation at the tent was still extant.

The life-threatening situation now persisted on the slope, which is why 3 of them also remained dead there.

[ilahiyol]

My problem is I don't see outsiders or demons allowing much of the above actions to take place but I do see some logic in the choices made by the hikers which implies that they had some control over their decisions .

If the Coercive Force had wanted, it could have killed them in the tent. Because this force isn't just any force. It's fast, powerful, intelligent, and capable of scheming! So, it could certainly have killed the young people in the tent. But it didn't want to. Why? And the young people were sane and had full willpower. But of course, they were also afraid and stressed. Because I think they all saw the Coercive Force. But how much did they see? Was it all of them, or just part of them? But they certainly saw something. That's why they were terrified and afraid. But their willpower and intelligence were intact. And they had hope for escape.

[SURI]

If the Coercive Force had wanted, it could have killed them in the tent.

Yes, that is true, but it would not be practical for these forces, as the dead bodies in the tent would get in their way and cause them extra work.

[sarapuk]

I think the footprints are a red herring.  I do not live on a mountain but in the winter tracks across my backyard can disappear in a day if it is windy enough.  And there were several weeks before the tent was found.

Well the snow on the slope certainly wasnt that deep. But it was extremely cold because of the exposed position of the tent site. So even a thin layer of snow could have footprints preserved for many weeks. or even months until a thaw. 

[sarapuk]

The reason is unknown, but since the retreat was in one direction as a group, and not in different directions, there was no particular panic.

No, they fled in different directions first. Then, when the initial fear passed, they reunited. So, whatever frightened them, they weren't terrified. But it also caused them to tear the tent apart and flee!!! I think when the compelling force disappeared, their fear partially subsided, and they reunited. There could only be two options for what frightened them: 1. Jinns 2. Humans. No other option seems possible besides these two.

Well, I suppose the word terrorised needs to be investigated then in relation to this Dyatlov mystery. It certainly looks like they were terrified of staying at the tent and fled in a hurry to escape the tent, not properly dressed for the given weather conditions.

They probably resisted very hard to stay in the tent!!! But the compelling force must have tried very hard to get them out. Because the young people knew that leaving the tent meant death sooner or later. I think the young people must have resisted very hard, but the compelling force managed to get them out. If they had resisted, they would have all probably died for the tent.

Well the use of the word compelling sounds correct. And force was probably involved. So then we can introduce the word, unknown. Unknown compelling force.

[sarapuk]

ilahiyol, read the criminal case carefully. There were two sets of footprints: one set consisted of 6-7 pairs of footprints, the other of two pairs, and then the two sets merged.

I can assure you that many of us have read and re-read the case files years ago. And the footprints could have been anyone's. We don't know if they were the Dyatlov group's footprints.

At first they were two groups. But then they united again. I think the reason they were two groups was because they were afraid that the unknown force would kill them around the tent! But when the unknown force disappeared, their fear passed. And they started going down to the wooded area in hope of escape. The first place they came to must have been the cedar tree. There they discussed the situation. They lit a fire. And they climbed the tree and tried to observe the unknown force. This must have lasted for about an hour. Then they thought the unknown force was gone and they made a plan. Three of them would return to the tent. Four of them would dig a den and try to warm themselves there. And the other two Yuris, since they were naked, decided to stay by the fire. Because the fire gave them some warmth. Then the unknown force must have come and killed them all, one by one!!!!

Well it seems like you may be on the right track, so to speak. Whatever happened did not kill the group at the tent site.

[sarapuk]

ilahiyol, read the criminal case carefully. There were two sets of footprints: one set consisted of 6-7 pairs of footprints, the other of two pairs, and then the two sets merged.

There must be two sets of footprints right next to the tent, because they later merge. This means they fled in separate directions when they first left the tent, but then decided to come together when the unknown compelling force disappeared.

There is lack of photographic proof unfortunately. We dont have much in the way of photos of tracks.

[sarapuk]

sarapuk, do you think anyone else would decide to run several hundred meters in socks to make "Dyatlov's footprints"?

ilahiyol, I read the criminal case in Russian, not in translation. It clearly states that the tracks ran parallel, i.e., not diverging.

No I dont think any one else made those footprints other than members of the group. But there was never a proper investigation of footprints at the time of finding the tent site. And obviously there would be plenty of footprints in the weeks after the finding by searchers. 

[sarapuk]

sarapuk, do you think anyone else would decide to run several hundred meters in socks to make "Dyatlov's footprints"?

ilahiyol, I read the criminal case in Russian, not in translation. It clearly states that the tracks ran parallel, i.e., not diverging.

It's impossible for nine people to leave the tent in a single file. This is absolutely impossible, especially in a panic! They left the tent in at least two groups. And when the panic subsided, they regrouped. It's a mistake to look at everything as evidence. Many things can be resolved through logic. And when we don't see anything and there's no evidence, we reach conclusions through logic.

A better word to use would be unlikely. Its unlikely that the group left the tent in a single file.

[sarapuk]

sarapuk, do you think anyone else would decide to run several hundred meters in socks to make "Dyatlov's footprints"?

ilahiyol, I read the criminal case in Russian, not in translation. It clearly states that the tracks ran parallel, i.e., not diverging.

It's impossible for nine people to leave the tent in a single file. This is absolutely impossible, especially in a panic! They left the tent in at least two groups. And when the panic subsided, they regrouped. It's a mistake to look at everything as evidence. Many things can be resolved through logic. And when we don't see anything and there's no evidence, we reach conclusions through logic.

There is no information about how they left the tent , single file or otherwise . The first foot print traces do not show for twenty meters by some reports.

The observation of these foot prints is that the group or two group's , walk side by side AND not one behind the other down the slope. The reasoning that the hikers were not running or panicking is that there was no sign of tumbling or over space strides in those prints that could be seen.

Well its true we have no information about how they left the tent. But footprints can be notoriously difficult to discern in snow. Especially at such a location in those extreme weather conditions and many weeks old.

[sarapuk]

Thank you. What I meant to say is that if the group left the tent in panic, it is not possible for them to exit in a single direction. In other words, they did not exit the tent in a single file. You say there were only 3 short cuts. It is not possible for them to exit through these 3 short cuts. So, there were more cuts. And there should have been longer cuts. Because 9 people got out through these cuts. So, the tent was not examined sufficiently. And one thing is certain, a force or forces attacked the tent. But they did not kill the young people in the tent. Why??? They asked them to go to the forest(?) Why??? Why are you killing them in the forest and not in the tent? I think they did it in a planned way!!! So, whatever attacked the young people must have been very smart and intelligent. It was not an ordinary bigfoot or anything.

An unknown compelling force. Therefore it could be of a nature that we are not able to comprehend. We are just left with very scanty evidence of an event that happened about 66 years ago.

[sarapuk]

My problem is I don't see outsiders or demons allowing much of the above actions to take place but I do see some logic in the choices made by the hikers which implies that they had some control over their decisions .

If the Coercive Force had wanted, it could have killed them in the tent. Because this force isn't just any force. It's fast, powerful, intelligent, and capable of scheming! So, it could certainly have killed the young people in the tent. But it didn't want to. Why? And the young people were sane and had full willpower. But of course, they were also afraid and stressed. Because I think they all saw the Coercive Force. But how much did they see? Was it all of them, or just part of them? But they certainly saw something. That's why they were terrified and afraid. But their willpower and intelligence were intact. And they had hope for escape.

Its a good point to make that whatever force was responsible for the group fleeing their tent did not kill them at the tent.

[Ziljoe]

My problem is I don't see outsiders or demons allowing much of the above actions to take place but I do see some logic in the choices made by the hikers which implies that they had some control over their decisions .

It might be not a problem but rather looking at the right direction. In the investigation's closing statement Lev Ivanov clearly wrote that investigation had revealed nobody at the spot on February 1st and 2nd besides the hikers. Numerous members of the serach party confirm that they have not found traces of other humans or animals there.

So the model of DPI looks the following: something happened, which made the hikers to cut the tent (their only home there!) and leave in a hurry, as staying not only in the tent but also nearby might mean immediate death. They retreated 1.5km downhill and set temporary camp at the Cedar tree, at the distance they felt was safe. Their intention was to return back to the tent as soon as possible. However, time played not in their favor, so Zina made desperate attempt to reach the tent before the threat has gone. But she managed just half way up. Rustam and Igor, who attempted to rescue her, did not manage either. By the way, this means that the initial event was not an avalanche. If 9 hikers were not able to reach the tent buried in avalance and fetch necessary things, how could Zina alone do that?

I don't think they moved 1.5 km to where they felt safe or to be a certain distance away from the tent , I think it was the most suitable location that they chose due to the resources of the ravine , cedar and to be out of any wind . If the tent and equipment cannot be used then the only choice is to go to the treeline . There would be no advantage in going further into the forest and certainly not in the direction from the tent because the Mansi , labaz and civilization were in the other direction. It was highly unlikely that they could go further in the forest due to the drifted snow and this is also reported.

The location they chose was the  most sheltered and closest to the tent .

If the three were returning to the tent , it is most likely that they died from the cold doing so. It is evident that things didn't go well at the ravine and trying to get resources from the tent would be the last chance and hope. To sit freezing is a one way ticket to death to move gives you some chance. Many people freezing and suffering from hypothermia crawl for help.

If it were an avalanche, it does not need to big , it just has to be a threat in the night. If it was a wolverine , elk or rocket the same applies . That is, try and stay warm , choose a location close to your main equipment and go back to the tent when the beast has gone or conditions improve .

[SURI]

Well the use of the word compelling sounds correct. And force was probably involved. So then we can introduce the word, unknown. Unknown compelling force.

A force unknown to many, but very well known to frozen tourists.

[Senior Maldonado]

It is evident that things didn't go well at the ravine

Yes, and the question is 'why?'. The bonfire at the Cedar tree should provide warmth, but two Yuras managed to freeze to death near its flame. The ravine should provide safe shelter, however 4 hikers found their death there. Zina, when staring back to the tent, obviously expected to walk all way up and then return to the Cedar tree with so badly needed clothes and equipment, but she was able to cover just half way up. Rustem and Igor managed even shorter distance. Why did not experienced and strong hikers resist frost and wind much longer?

[Ziljoe]

It is evident that things didn't go well at the ravine

Yes, and the question is 'why?'. The bonfire at the Cedar tree should provide warmth, but two Yuras managed to freeze to death near its flame. The ravine should provide safe shelter, however 4 hikers found their death there. Zina, when staring back to the tent, obviously expected to walk all way up and then return to the Cedar tree with so badly needed clothes and equipment, but she was able to cover just half way up. Rustem and Igor managed even shorter distance. Why did not experienced and strong hikers resist frost and wind much longer?

The fire at the cedar was not adequate to warm the hikers against the cold and we don't know if it was a last attempt for survival or to warm the two Yuri's alone or the whole group . To make a den flooring and a fire with flooring 70 meters apart suggests the two locations had different priorities or their initial plan changed . It would make more sense if the den flooring was found next to a fire.

My thoughts have changed endlessly about possible scenarios but I work a model from the basis of a wind slab, snow collapse , animal , wind or some other natural force of nature that made them leave the tent . So this has some connection to my thought process and is not meant to dismiss other people's ideas and I try to take baby steps where I can with as little leaps of faith as I can.

From the moment the hikers leave the tent , the clock of hypothermia starts ticking , this will have a host of variables, how warm they were initially in the tent , the energy they used to get over the pass ,erect the tent platform and if they were already damp from those activities for example . We don't know the wind chill, humidity, temperature, visibility or time of day but we know the biggest danger is the cold and it was cold .

Ultimately the hikers died of hypothermia which is when the body core temperature drops to a point where it can't heat itself. They also suffered varying levels of frostbite which is the start of freezing to the body but not the cause of death.

So as for the 'why ?' To your question , they were exposed to the elements, as time passes the body starts to shut down , including the brain , hands and joints start to stiffen up , feeling and touch are lost .

Some potential scenarios are that they fell in to the ravine and some hikers got partially wet , this would greatly amplify the seriousness of the situation and may explain an effort to try and dry some clothing that was found with burns in and around the fire and on the hikers. People with cold and frostbite will stick their limbs into a fire as there can be no feeling plus the potential of severe hypothermia affects the ability to think.

There may have been some collapse of snow on the ravine four and I have suggested a snow cave collapse given the amount of snow that was above them but I know it's not a perfect solution. The ravine 4 location , body positions and injuries are one of the most difficult things to explain with any of the theories although the autopsy reports seem to suggest crush injuries .

I would think Zina , Igor etc would be starting to fail  and if they lasted the longest it may just be the luck of DNA or being female and carrying a bit more fat cells with strong will power to save the others  . It was probably a crawl back up the slope if this is what they were doing , there would be no choice .

There are numerous examples of people and other Soviet hikers failing in similar conditions from hypothermia, some make it against the odds , others don't .

[Senior Maldonado]

From the moment the hikers leave the tent , the clock of hypothermia starts ticking , this will have a host of variables, how warm they were initially in the tent , the energy they used to get over the pass ,erect the tent platform and if they were already damp from those activities for example . We don't know the wind chill, humidity, temperature, visibility or time of day but we know the biggest danger is the cold and it was cold .

Ultimately the hikers died of hypothermia which is when the body core temperature drops to a point where it can't heat itself. They also suffered varying levels of frostbite which is the start of freezing to the body but not the cause of death.

I would not be that certain that both Yuras died from hypothermia. When the hikers had to leave the tent, they found themselves in approximately same conditions -- outside tempratures, wind, etc. They had to walk the same distance and arrived together to the Cedar tree. How could it be that Yuras got frozen to death, while others continued to be more or less OK? Zina and two guys felt fit to go back to the tent, while Ravine 4 group had enough energy to remove clothes from Yuras, lay them in a row, and relocate to the ravine to make a den? Is it possihble that hypothermia dismisses two strong guys within 2,5 hrs? We can do rough estimation how long Yuras were alive. Moving from the tent to the Cedar tree takes no longer than 30 min (1,5 km downhill). Another 30 min is required to break Cedar's dry branches and to light bonfire. The bonfire lasted for about 1,5 hrs, which gives us in total 2,5 hrs since tent's departure. It is very unlikely that the bonfire would not be kept if Yuras were alive -- attempts to rescue them would have continued.

This all makes me think that Yuras had another problem besides hypothermia. And that problem started already on the slope, at the tent's site. On coming to the Cedar tree Dyatlov's group had to fight for Yuras lifes first of all. Keeping themselves warm was secondary task.

[Ziljoe]

An interesting thought to keep the Yuri's alive and a priority . But it is a very small fire ?.

There would be a significant difference in the temperature inside the tent.

We don't know the order of deaths or movement of the hikers but I think we can assume that the Yuri's were not the last to die as they seem to have been moved . As I said before , perhaps the Yuri's fell in to water at the ravine , the ravine is before the cedar  and if empty of snow on the day or night of the incident it would be a challenge to cross if anyone was poorly or injured. The cutting and removing of the clothes may be due to them getting wet but I'm still unsure of why cut parts of clothes off. The autopsy found nothing unusual with the two Yuri's.

If the fire had been started for the Yuri's, then why not keep it going instead of making a den?

I am interested.

[Senior Maldonado]

The autopsy found nothing unusual with the two Yuri's.

Yes, but we should not forget that we are talking about visual inspection only. We know that Mr.Vozrozhdenny ordered to perform chemical and hystological analysis of the samples taken from first 5 hikers' bodies. And at that point strange things started to happen. The results have been never announced. Shortly after the results were to be ready, Mr.Kikoin came to the slope with very advanced device and measured radiation levels there. It had taken about a day, then he quickly left together with Lev Ivanov. They say, after being called back from the Dyatlov Pass on March 15th, Lev Ivanov stopped to discuss the incident with members of the search party, reporters, etc. We can suspect that analysis results and terrain measurements revealed something, which rank and file people better not to know.

If the fire had been started for the Yuri's, then why not keep it going instead of making a den?

Maybe low temperatures actually were not that low? And Ravine 4 team just preferred to protect themselves from the wind, not from the temperatures? The Cedar tree is located at quite open space, exposed to all winds...

[amashilu]

This all makes me think that Yuras had another problem besides hypothermia. And that problem started already on the slope, at the tent's site. On coming to the Cedar tree Dyatlov's group had to fight for Yuras lifes first of all. Keeping themselves warm was secondary task.

Yes, exactly. I put forth the suggestion awhile back that Krivonischenko's leg had been injured at the tent, and asked if anyone thought he could walk through the snow to the cedar with that large burn ("with charred tissue and and bursting skin") on his leg? Ziljoe responded that this was probably possible. So we have this terribly injured person arriving at the cedar and lying down in so much pain, he bit off his finger. I would like to explore more the idea that he was injured at the tent by the same force that caused others to cut open the tent and get out.

[Senior Maldonado]

I put forth the suggestion awhile back that Krivonischenko's leg had been injured at the tent, and asked if anyone thought he could walk through the snow to the cedar with that large burn ("with charred tissue and and bursting skin") on his leg? Ziljoe responded that this was probably possible. So we have this terribly injured person arriving at the cedar and lying down in so much pain, he bit off his finger. I would like to explore more the idea that he was injured at the tent by the same force that caused others to cut open the tent and get out.

My guess is that both Krivonischenko and Doroshenko were affected severely at the very beginning of the incident. But it was not inside the tent. Do you remember that two chains of footprints originated not from the tent but from another spot, which was 20-30 meters to the North? And we know that particularly the northern part of the tent collapsed. When your tent collapses, your 1st priority is to leave it asap. But you next priority is to understand what happened and estimate risks. My next guess is that the group sent two Yuras to check what happend -- what object had bumpped the slope and collapsed their 'house'. And two chains of footprints belong to Yuras, who approached the 'object', got severely affected, and signaled to the rest of the team to leave immediately. I do not believe that Krivonischenko burned his leg in the bonfire.

[amashilu]

I do not believe that Krivonischenko burned his leg in the bonfire.

I agree with you. He did not burn his leg in the fire. (But I wouldn't call it a "bonfire." It was pretty small and weak.)

[Senior Maldonado]

But I wouldn't call it a "bonfire." It was pretty small and weak.

I am not an englishman. Sorry for using incorrect words. :) I never wanted to say that the cedar's fire was big.

[amashilu]

But I wouldn't call it a "bonfire." It was pretty small and weak.

I am not an englishman. Sorry for using incorrect words. :) I never wanted to say that the cedar's fire was big.

No problem! In English, bonfire means a big roaring fire.

Can you tell more about your theory that the Yuris were attacked on the slope outside the tent? Who or what attacked them?

[Senior Maldonado]

Can you tell more about your theory that the Yuris were attacked on the slope outside the tent? Who or what attacked them?

Yes, of course. I have been trying to understand what happened there for a long time and I have come to a 'rocket' theory.

I build my theory on what Lev Ivanov reported in his famous article in newspaper in 1990. He says that the society was told that the hikers died because of hypothermia, but it was not true. The true cause was known to very few top ranking people in the Soviet Union. Due to his role in the investgation Ivanov himself bacame part of that very restricted group of people. However, in the article, which is called "Fireballs mystery", Ivanov does not explain the cause of the incident. This makes me think he had signed NDA documents and was not in a position to reveal the truth.

Nevermind, I do believe that the puzzle can be solved without Mr.Ivanov's assistance. And we should leverage on two undisputable facts:
1) Mr.Vozrozhdenny referred to explosive air wave, when he was interrogated by Ivanov about possible reasons for Ravine 4 death.
2) Ivanov initiated radiation test for body and clothes samples of the Ravine 4, and the test revealed beta contamination.

There is an excellent radiation source analysis done by Ryan in another thread. However, Ryan ends up with potash theory, which in my view is completely wrong. His another idea about military exploding 'dirty' bomb sounds more realistic. However, I do not think that something was intentionally exploded there. Nobody had intention to kill the hikers. By bad luck they found themselves in the wrong place in the wrong time. And sure, two Yuris were not attacked. They were sent as scouts to check nature of object, which unexpectedly bumpped into the slope very close to the tent's location. Approaching the 'object' they got exposed to both very low and very high temperatures, which started timer for the remaining hours of their lifes.

[Ziljoe]

The autopsy found nothing unusual with the two Yuri's.

Yes, but we should not forget that we are talking about visual inspection only. We know that Mr.Vozrozhdenny ordered to perform chemical and hystological analysis of the samples taken from first 5 hikers' bodies. And at that point strange things started to happen. The results have been never announced. Shortly after the results were to be ready, Mr.Kikoin came to the slope with very advanced device and measured radiation levels there. It had taken about a day, then he quickly left together with Lev Ivanov. They say, after being called back from the Dyatlov Pass on March 15th, Lev Ivanov stopped to discuss the incident with members of the search party, reporters, etc. We can suspect that analysis results and terrain measurements revealed something, which rank and file people better not to know.

If the fire had been started for the Yuri's, then why not keep it going instead of making a den?

Maybe low temperatures actually were not that low? And Ravine 4 team just preferred to protect themselves from the wind, not from the temperatures? The Cedar tree is located at quite open space, exposed to all winds...

A couple of questions. What was the very advanced device ? And where does it say this?

[Senior Maldonado]

A couple of questions. What was the very advanced device ? And where does it say this?

It was mentioned by Lev Ivanov in his interview to Mr.Bogomolov in 1990. Here is the link:
https://dyatlovpass.com/stanislav-bogomolov-2

From the interview:
"I only managed to conduct a radiation examination. Even had to carry on location a device in a large wooden box.
- Geiger counter?
- Yes, it looks like it. It was clicking a lot... I am sure there was radiation. But nobody told me how much, and I didn't found out."

Here Ivanov talks about his 2nd trip to Dyatlov Pass on March 14th-15th, 1959. He was there together with Mr.Kikion, who headed 2nd shift of searchers. But Mr.Kikoin flew back to Ivdel in two days, leaving his team without a leader. The only thing he managed to do on the slope were radiation level measurements. His son later remembered that his father used for those measurements special custom device, which was very sensitive. Probably that device was good for beta detection, while standard industrial devices are good for gamma detection.

If you are interested in this topic I can provide more detailed information.

[Ziljoe]

A couple of questions. What was the very advanced device ? And where does it say this?

It was mentioned by Lev Ivanov in his interview to Mr.Bogomolov in 1990. Here is the link:
https://dyatlovpass.com/stanislav-bogomolov-2

From the interview:
"I only managed to conduct a radiation examination. Even had to carry on location a device in a large wooden box.
- Geiger counter?
- Yes, it looks like it. It was clicking a lot... I am sure there was radiation. But nobody told me how much, and I didn't found out."

Here Ivanov talks about his 2nd trip to Dyatlov Pass on March 14th-15th, 1959. He was there together with Mr.Kikion, who headed 2nd shift of searchers. But Mr.Kikoin flew back to Ivdel in two days, leaving his team without a leader. The only thing he managed to do on the slope were radiation level measurements. His son later remembered that his father used for those measurements special custom device, which was very sensitive. Probably that device was good for beta detection, while standard industrial devices are good for gamma detection.

If you are interested in this topic I can provide more detailed information.

We are all interested in the topic and probably a bit desperate for a new angle so please share.

You will probably get a few questions and pointers or you might point something out that's not been picked up before.

I've read the article before but I don't give Ivanovo much credit although this is to maybe more to do with others using him after the dyatlov pass mystery became more wide spread.

I'm cautious of paraphrasing and multiple interpretations by others over the years as it has led to some misunderstanding in my opinion. I don't mean you but I try to research the original source where I can find it.

The statement you quote is the interviewer quoting what Stanislav Evgenievich Bogomolov, author of the article "Mystery of the fireballs", said ivanov said ?.

(Interviewer.    )Lev Ivanov in your article says that he brought Geiger counter to the pass. In personal communication with you, did Lev Ivanov tell you who told him, indicated or otherwise hinted to bring a Geiger counter to the pass and measure the level of radiation? Quote from your article:
"I did not work out the version about the light balls. I only managed to conduct a radiation examination. Even had to carry on location a device in a large wooden box.
- Geiger counter?( I assume this is Stanislav Evgenievich Bogomolov asking Ivanov )
- Yes, it looks like it. It was clicking a lot... I am sure there was radiation. But nobody told me how much, and I didn't found out."

Answer(Stanislav Evgenievich Bogomolov replies to the interviewer)
"No, he did not say anything about why he decided to check their clothes for radiation. He changed the topic. Much later, almost this year, I learned from a lawyer, that another lawyer told him that Ivanov ordered this examination because he noticed how the hikers' clothes which lay on his floor in his office were glowing."

(Interviewer )Did Ivanov say anything that you didn't included in your article?

Answer( Stanislav Evgenievich Bogomolov replies to interviewer )
"No, I included everything he told me."


As we read through the interview , Stanislav Evgenievich Bogomolov starts to change the questions and what seems to me, be gaslighting and changing the topic. My point is , it's someone saying someone else's said this and this is from someone who is writing an article titled "mystery of the fire balls" , hardly a respectable or academic paper and he can't seem to remember what would be important facts to the case.

 I think there's only 2 mentions of a Geiger counter at 1079, one is the above which is hardly concrete and another for the life of me I can't remember but I think it was mentioned to be a dosimeter , this might be in the actual case files.

Please share what you have as I miss and forget .

[SURI]

Ziljoe:
„My point is , it's someone saying someone else's said this and this is from someone who is writing an article titled "mystery of the fire balls" , hardly a respectable or academic paper and he can't seem to remember what would be important facts to the case.“

When someone says that someone told someone something, it really doesn't sound credible.