Cover-up

[amashilu]

One question keeps coming to mind: 
If this tragedy was caused by a natural event, such as an avalanche, slab slip, snow den collapse, katabatic wind, etc, why would the Russian authorities cover it up? There is no political or national shame in a tragic natural accident.
The question then immediately follows: What kind of event WOULD they cover up? What was so critically important here that they had to hide it, and continue to hide it, for the following 66 years?
This might make a good starting point for looking again at the facts. Start with the Russian government in 1959 realizing that this would be devastating if it got out, and look again at the evidence from there.

[Ziljoe]

I have pondered this before and I do think it's a good approach to the mystery.

I have looked at the missiles and the development of silos . Zina uses one of the code words for a silo in development. This could have been coincidental but perhaps enough reason to hush everything up incase western spies were listening in or observing the case files in the Soviet Union .

It also fits in with Ivanov pushing rocket and missile theories . If you read the information, the Soviet Union is in meetings with the west to try and disarm the nuclear race , whilst at the same time doing the very opposite and testing ICBM's and developing the silo's.

A bit of a read but I think it's interesting.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1687.0

Following that bit of research , I found that there had been a push by the Soviet Union to hold a student convention in Moscow in 1957, this was for students from all around the world . The CIA had started trying to influence students from around the world before this too. It consisted of false companies created by the CIA to fund these from the American tax payer. It's all extremely paranoid from both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6th_World_Festival_of_Youth_and_Students

A number of artists , writers  and thinkers from America and the west attended the Moscow student event but were thrown out of America and accused of being communist. Some went to live in the UK and another in the USSR. There is a strong link to the arts and music by these people and many were high profile and sosialist in ideology.


The 6th World Festival of Youth and Students was held from 28 July to 5 August 1957 in Moscow, capital city of the then Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The festival attracted 34,000 people from 130 countries. This became possible after the political changes initiated by Nikita Khrushchev. It was the first World Festival of Youth and Students held in the Soviet Union.

The Khrushchev reforms, known as Khrushchev Thaw, resulted in some changes in the Soviet Union. Foreigners could come for a visit, and people were allowed to meet foreigners, albeit only in groups under supervision. Soviet foreign language students acted as interpreters.

Jazz musician Aleksei Kozlov had a chance to play with foreign musicians. The popular ensemble Druzhba from Leningrad became the winner of the First Prize[2] in popular music, thanks to its lead singer, Edita Piekha,[citation needed] the star of the 1950s who could sing in many languages. Edita Piekha, Vladimir Troshin and international guests of the festival together performed the popular song Moscow Nights. Reverend Warren McKenna, Joanne Grant, Sally Belfrage, and folk singer Peggy Seeger attended the festival as part of the US delegation and later went on a propaganda trip to Communist China.[3][4][5]

The festival's sports program featured an athletics competition.[6]

After the festival there was a significant influx of Afro-Russians. The mixed race African descended children were called festival children because of their appearance and timing of their birth.

If you note the name Peggy Seeger above.

"Margaret "Peggy" Seeger (born June 17, 1935) is an American folk singer and songwriter. She has lived in Britain for more than 60 years and was married to the singer-songwriter Ewan MacColl until his death in 1989. She is a member of the Seeger family of musicians."

"Seeger's father was Charles Seeger (1886–1979), a folklorist and musicologist; her mother was Seeger's second wife, Ruth Porter Crawford (1901–1953), a modernist composer who was the first woman to receive a Guggenheim Fellowship.[1]

The family moved to Washington, D.C., in 1936 after Charles' appointment to the music division of the Resettlement Administration.

One of her brothers was Mike Seeger, and Pete Seeger was her half-brother. Poet Alan Seeger was her uncle. One of her first recordings was American Folk Songs for Children (1955).

First American period
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In the 1950s, left-leaning singers such as Paul Robeson and The Weavers began to find that life became difficult because of the influence of McCarthyism. Seeger visited Communist China and as a result had her US passport withdrawn.[2] In 1957, the US State Department had opposed Seeger's attending the 6th World Festival of Youth and Students in Moscow[3] (where the CIA had monitored the US delegation), and was vigorously critical about her having gone to China during that trip, against official "advice".[4] The authorities had warned her that her passport could be impounded that would bar her from further travel were she to return to the US.[4] She decided to tour Europe – and later found out that she was on a blacklist sent to European governments.[4]"

There is a lot of reading in this, but Peggy was protesting against missiles and McColl was writing communist songs. Mccoll has a huge connection to modern music and songs written , his first daughter was Kirsty Maccoll
Who died strangely in Mexico. If you Google all the names involved , there is a myriad of connections . Not that this has anything to do with the Dyatlov case directly but students, folk music , ideals were being shared and people were watching what everyone was doing. I wonder if any Dyatlovs went to the student meeting in 1957?.

[ahabmyth]

I think any sort of coverup would be linked to ongoing scientific or military that can be removed or dismantled and for this to take effect generally speaking would need road access which wasnt/isnt available. Helicopters I dont think would have the range.
The areas possibly could include radars or the beginning of missile silos (which I dont think were around at the time). With both of these possibilities the areas obviously need building and attending so would not be a secret. The accuracy of rockets or missiles that have been proposed, unless a launch point is relatively near ,in 1959 would not be great and recovery extremely hard ( a bit like looking for a plane crash ). Larger rockets launched say from Kirghistan or Novae Zemla would have had their first stage jettisoned and therefore no engine trails.
The general assumption on this theory is that the Russians were deeply concerned about embarrassment and would do anything to avoid. In this particular area not having access to the sea, flat land, roads or rail. I cannot feel that the proposal for a coverup could be considered, due to simple logistics.

[OLD JEDI 72]

I did a post two weeks ago with a theory. https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1858.0

[amashilu]

I did a post two weeks ago with a theory. https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1858.0

I read that post, OJ-72, and you do explain why a cover-up would be important if the deaths resulted from a fight between members of the group. In this current thread, I don’t want to start from any one theory such as that and explain why a cover-up would be necessary, but start from the necessity for a cover-up and work backwards to a theory.

[OLD JEDI 72]

I did a post two weeks ago with a theory. https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1858.0

I read that post, OJ-72, and you do explain why a cover-up would be important if the deaths resulted from a fight between members of the group. In this current thread, I don’t want to start from any one theory such as that and explain why a cover-up would be necessary, but start from the necessity for a cover-up and work backwards to a theory.

That's exactly what I did. You'll find that all theories have been postulated at one point, so there's really nothing new.

[Ziljoe]

In case Ive not been clear , the concept of the cover up was because of all the talk of rockets , the name of the silo being used , Ivanovs balls in the sky and radiation.

It is not because there were silo base's or rockets but because all of the talk about them. If the silo's already had their secret names of rivers and were on documents preplanning their development . It would perhaps be enough to file the case away and talk no more about it .

 To understand this , we must conceptualise what was going on in the world at that time , that is nuclear war and political movement.  Parts of America and the Europe were pro communism . It is 14 years after WWII, everyone will remember how awful it was. The Kremlin has two things to keep secret , the missile testing and links to silo's and rocket development.

Another reason and it is very simple, I don't know how much the parents got told but there is a long draft of paper work blaming the sports committee and those involved in protecting the students, there is a long list of failures . I don't know if the parents could make claims against the state .