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August 18, 2025, 05:09:50 PM
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ahabmyth


If you have torrents allowed, I can send you a link to a scanned criminal case.

                                                            I think this group is criminal enough for the time being.
 

August 18, 2025, 05:32:56 PM
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ahabmyth



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[ Sorry , this is not what I mean. That photo is what is being presented from the case files. The case files from 1959 , the original documents, any altercation must be mentioned if presented as original otherwise the whole case could be made up or fake. ] 
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Ah yes now I understand what you are getting at.

Maybe an idea that "case file" images could be stamped somehow to show authentication. But even saying that, would images not of the general computer era have the data embedded in them ???. Then theres always copyright to overcome, so no I cant see that happening.
Must admit I cant remember what data can be gleaned from downloaded images. So would need to be a physical or watermarked image.Afraid its gonna be as is , unless members can come up with a better idea.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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August 18, 2025, 08:03:26 PM
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Quote from Ziljoe

[ Sorry , this is not what I mean. That photo is what is being presented from the case files. The case files from 1959 , the original documents, any altercation must be mentioned if presented as original otherwise the whole case could be made up or fake. ] 
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Ah yes now I understand what you are getting at.

Maybe an idea that "case file" images could be stamped somehow to show authentication. But even saying that, would images not of the general computer era have the data embedded in them ???. Then theres always copyright to overcome, so no I cant see that happening.
Must admit I cant remember what data can be gleaned from downloaded images. So would need to be a physical or watermarked image.Afraid its gonna be as is , unless members can come up with a better idea.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                      Sometimes common sense isnt all that common.

Something like that but much damage could have been done long ago. I think they were using typewriters and film cameras . It would be interesting to know when the English written copies were made.
 

August 18, 2025, 08:25:13 PM
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Ziljoe


I believe that someone stabbing the canvas from the outside and slicing toward themselves will produce a pattern showing a cut from the inside. I also believe that a cut edge will fray if beaten by the wind.
This assumption was made by myself 13 years ago but I was ridiculed by 432 members or maybe just 2. Anyhow yes we dont see the holes made on the other side of the tent apart from this image and then only when its colourised. I wonder when the sample of the tent was taken as it sure appears it took a beating and then to be erected again.
The probability that pieces of the tent were used for bags to bring the bodies back to Boot rock seems quite plausible as the "rescuers" were mainly students.
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I could be misunderstanding the forensic tent report but there's obviously lots of cuts and tears and to be honest I have no idea what anyone was doing with it but allegedly it was dragged 600meters.

I think the argument about the tent being cut from the inside is because the tool being used to cut the tent did NOT cut the tent canvas . On the inside of the tent interior,It intialy scraped the dye off the weave , then started to cut the weave and then finally penetrated the fully weave . I think it's the start of the cut that the forensic team focus on and gives the clarity  that some of the cuts were done by a blade or tool on the inner surface. 2 of the cuts suggest this .

However, that's not to say a searcher could be standing in a ripped part of the tent made earlier and put his hand inside the tent through an existing hole ( and there were many) , stab it from the inside and then pull it towards themselves.

 

August 18, 2025, 10:16:27 PM
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ahabmyth


I believe that someone stabbing the canvas from the outside and slicing toward themselves will produce a pattern showing a cut from the inside. I also believe that a cut edge will fray if beaten by the wind.
This assumption was made by myself 13 years ago but I was ridiculed by 432 members or maybe just 2. Anyhow yes we dont see the holes made on the other side of the tent apart from this image and then only when its colourised. I wonder when the sample of the tent was taken as it sure appears it took a beating and then to be erected again.
The probability that pieces of the tent were used for bags to bring the bodies back to Boot rock seems quite plausible as the "rescuers" were mainly students.
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I could be misunderstanding the forensic tent report but there's obviously lots of cuts and tears and to be honest I have no idea what anyone was doing with it but allegedly it was dragged 600meters.

I think the argument about the tent being cut from the inside is because the tool being used to cut the tent did NOT cut the tent canvas . On the inside of the tent interior,It intialy scraped the dye off the weave , then started to cut the weave and then finally penetrated the fully weave . I think it's the start of the cut that the forensic team focus on and gives the clarity  that some of the cuts were done by a blade or tool on the inner surface. 2 of the cuts suggest this .

However, that's not to say a searcher could be standing in a ripped part of the tent made earlier and put his hand inside the tent through an existing hole ( and there were many) , stab it from the inside and then pull it towards themselves.


Dont forget an Ice-pick was part of their equipment, ( I think it was left outside) would be interesting to see the blade of this.
 

August 18, 2025, 10:55:15 PM
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Ziljoe


Dont forget an Ice-pick was part of their equipment, ( I think it was left outside) would be interesting to see the blade of this.

They can be found on Google. There is a picture of Zolo on the bus with it. They are not sharp like a blade , even the point and adze (rear) are dull , enough to rip if needed and I believe that a hole was made with the axe by the first searcher when trying to break through the snow.

Its also potentially in the picture of the photo of the collapsed tent at the bottom left of the entrance.

I am having trouble posting the image over but I think it's me not the site.
 

August 18, 2025, 11:09:54 PM
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Ziljoe


https://dyatlovpass.com/semyon-zolotaryov



If you look to the bottom left of the tent and next to the ski pole , the head of what might be the ice axe appears. It looks like the edge of the tent also but the shades don't seem to fit . Not that it matters in the big scheme of things. The recorded  placement of various equipment seems to vary in the statements , especially regarding the tent . There is anecdotal  evidence that equipment was moved before the final inspection.

 

August 19, 2025, 02:27:13 AM
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ahabmyth


Dont forget an Ice-pick was part of their equipment, ( I think it was left outside) would be interesting to see the blade of this.

They can be found on Google. There is a picture of Zolo on the bus with it. They are not sharp like a blade , even the point and adze (rear) are dull , enough to rip if needed and I believe that a hole was made with the axe by the first searcher when trying to break through the snow.

Its also potentially in the picture of the photo of the collapsed tent at the bottom left of the entrance.

I am having trouble posting the image over but I think it's me not the site.
Yep thats the one that Zolo is holding. A dull point with a flat heel. Supposedly had 2 of these and the saw in its cover.
              Dont think Zolo is looking too happy about having a foot resting on his head. ( who is the mandolin player again). A Yuri I think.
 

August 19, 2025, 02:52:21 AM
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ahabmyth


Nope the tent was cut from the inside.
This is the only realistic option if we talk about a natural cause.
Rampaging Mansi.
Secret armies.
Yeti.
UFOs.
And to boot the woman help/investigator said it was.
The tent was cut when a fire they had lit due to the cold ,had the exhaust pipe unscrewed, giving off toxic fumes. The two people who had access to the knives used them on the tent to escape the fumes.
This is why it was cut from the inside.
The reason they left the tent instead of waiting and then going back in the tent is a different theory.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2025, 09:02:50 PM by ahabmyth »
 

August 19, 2025, 04:14:43 AM
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Ziljoe


I believe that someone stabbing the canvas from the outside and slicing toward themselves will produce a pattern showing a cut from the inside. I also believe that a cut edge will fray if beaten by the wind.
This assumption was made by myself 13 years ago but I was ridiculed by 432 members or maybe just 2. Anyhow yes we dont see the holes made on the other side of the tent apart from this image and then only when its colourised. I wonder when the sample of the tent was taken as it sure appears it took a beating and then to be erected again.
The probability that pieces of the tent were used for bags to bring the bodies back to Boot rock seems quite plausible as the "rescuers" were mainly students.
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I could be misunderstanding the forensic tent report but there's obviously lots of cuts and tears and to be honest I have no idea what anyone was doing with it but allegedly it was dragged 600meters.

I think the argument about the tent being cut from the inside is because the tool being used to cut the tent did NOT cut the tent canvas . On the inside of the tent interior,It intialy scraped the dye off the weave , then started to cut the weave and then finally penetrated the fully weave . I think it's the start of the cut that the forensic team focus on and gives the clarity  that some of the cuts were done by a blade or tool on the inner surface. 2 of the cuts suggest this .

However, that's not to say a searcher could be standing in a ripped part of the tent made earlier and put his hand inside the tent through an existing hole ( and there were many) , stab it from the inside and then pull it towards themselves.


The only problem with this theory (and others) is that you cannot stand up in this tent. As I have said in an earlier post you would have to be on your knees to have the power to cut the tent in one blow, a descent tarp would need a sawing motion. You would be having trouble with a modern razor blade type knife. I think the tent is a lost cause, we dont know enough about it.

Sorry , I have been unclear and it's not a theory as such. There are a number of ways to explain what I mean. A searcher that found the tent collapsed ( the tent is flat on the ground) could reach inside one of the cuts or tears or make a tear or cut , whilst doing so , they would step into the tent by stepping in the hole they made,  the tent is not erect but still flat to the ground, the searcher could bend down and lift the canvas up to his waste , with one hand used it to pull the canvas tight against  the erect pole or another searcher, he reaches in with his free hand that is holding a knife and press the knife upward into the stretched canvas , thus leaving the evidence and marks from the inside. ( Think of a sunroof in a car, you can't stand up in a car but you can stand on the seat directly below the sunroof and you are then standing in the car).

A half decent blade could cut a canvas tent and power is not a requirement, however, tension would aid in the execution of cutting the canvas ( think drum skin) , if the canvas is tight then it all becomes easier to penetrate and make a slice.

From the drawing in the casefiles , it looks like the two cuts from the inside are made from the entrance side of the tent towards the rear. If the rear 3/4 of the tent was collapsed under snow , then the 1/4 part left standing would possibly have tension in it for one of the hikers to cut from the inside .....or one of the searchers stood/ kneeled in a ripped part of the tent , pulled the canvas tight ( unless it was perhaps slightly frozen) , reached forward with one hand inside the tent and pulled the knife towards himself from the underside. No sawing motion needed.

The important part about the tent is the report about cuts being from the inside , it gives us an indication and a hint to why and how they left the tent . By following a base line for an explanation we can create a picture or sequence of events .

We haveTent pitched on slope in winter and snow , tent cut from inside , hikers walking down a slope with footprints left behind . Poorly dressed hikers indicating they had to leave equipment. A fire made with the quickest available dry wood source , ceder branches laid out at the ceder fire for insulation and a den built .

We have in basic timeline , leave tent , build fire and den .
 

August 19, 2025, 05:58:06 AM
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ahabmyth


Ziljoe I think we have always had that timeline, you may have to extrapolate on this..
One thing I can understand about your verse is that the searchers have ripped the tent on purpose. I am not agreeing with you on the whole but suffice to say that the searchers did, I have read, shovel snow onto the tent to stop it blowing away. So the main pic we see of the tent is the result of the searchers after 3 weeks, suddenly decide to weigh down the tent because of the wind.
Well the tent was relatively intact, maybe a bit worse for wear, but still no doubt quite well anchored down. So this fact seems a bit dubious never mind its inventory being checked with everything in its place, not from what I have seen it wasn't.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Just thinking about the bottom pic with the clothes etc spread out. --- Has anyone seen anything of the removed clothes etc and the skis  underneath showing the base of the tent.-----It would seem a bit obvious if a cover-up was suspected. For the conspiracy members amongst us, a pic showing the skis NOT there.







 
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August 19, 2025, 06:53:18 AM
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Ziljoe


ahabmyth, absolutely we have always had that timeline. I'm not sure what you want as this is the conclusion in the case files.

I believe these photos are a 1 or 2 days after the tents discovery. On the first evening of discovery , the tent was entered by those that found it, some items were taken and an initial search for bodies took place. How they entered the tent to take the items on the first day is unclear . What follows seems to be the tent again being entered the second day at different times by different people and the re arranging of the items inside. If the tent floor was attached to the sides and the tent was one complete piece of canvas I could understand why the tent was peeled open cut/ripped from above to look at how the interior of the tent was layed out  it may just have been a practical way to access the scene.

The tent was covered with hard snow so obviously it had to be dug off the tent . There is no disagreement although I'm not sure what you find dubious. The north side of the tent was reported to have two snapped ropes which is why that end wasn't standing.

After the evening of discovery ( I think there was poor weather coming in) , it would be appropriate to cover the collapsed  tent with snow to weigh it down ?.

Whether the searchers ripped the tent or not , I was trying to give another possibility as to how there are cuts done to the interior roof of the tent.
 

August 19, 2025, 09:24:42 AM
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According to the testimony of the searchers who found and dug up the tent, they did not cut it. The examination indicated that on the inner side of the tarpaulin there are traces of a knife blade in the area of the cuts.
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.
 

August 19, 2025, 07:45:12 PM
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ahabmyth, absolutely we have always had that timeline. I'm not sure what you want as this is the conclusion in the case files.

I believe these photos are a 1 or 2 days after the tents discovery. On the first evening of discovery , the tent was entered by those that found it, some items were taken and an initial search for bodies took place. How they entered the tent to take the items on the first day is unclear . What follows seems to be the tent again being entered the second day at different times by different people and the re arranging of the items inside. If the tent floor was attached to the sides and the tent was one complete piece of canvas I could understand why the tent was peeled open cut/ripped from above to look at how the interior of the tent was layed out  it may just have been a practical way to access the scene.

The tent was covered with hard snow so obviously it had to be dug off the tent . There is no disagreement although I'm not sure what you find dubious. The north side of the tent was reported to have two snapped ropes which is why that end wasn't standing.

After the evening of discovery ( I think there was poor weather coming in) , it would be appropriate to cover the collapsed  tent with snow to weigh it down ?.

Whether the searchers ripped the tent or not , I was trying to give another possibility as to how there are cuts done to the interior roof of the tent.
Thats not a knife. This is a knife.


Ha! It was him! A good a theory as any.
 

August 20, 2025, 10:57:53 AM
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Hunter


ahabmyth, it all depends on the legislation of the country where you download. If not, I can send it via Telegram messenger. There are scans in jpg, pdf, attempts to translate the case materials into doc, fb2, but there are typos and inaccuracies.

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Yep thats the one that Zolo is holding. A dull point with a flat heel. Supposedly had 2 of these and the saw in its cover.
Dont think Zolo is looking too happy about having a foot resting on his head. ( who is the mandolin player again). A Yuri I think.
There was only one ice axe. As for Zolotarev's discontent, the Russians (and some other nations) have a saying "in close quarters, but not offended." That is, even if it is close, but without claims to each other. There are things that are wild for the inhabitants of the USA, but normal for Ukrainians, for example. And vice versa.

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Thats not a knife. This is a knife.
I also love "Dundee Crocodile". Krivonischenko's knife (apparently, they cut the tent with it) had a blade length of 15-17 cm. I made a 3D model of the knife based on available photos of Krivonischenko and the accepted unwritten rules for making homemade knives in the USSR.
https://i.ibb.co/MDYTBZHx/photo-2025-03-11-14-04-32.jpg

The only thing is that the tip version could have been different - like on the upper knife
https://i.ibb.co/m5Yr8RGD/11.jpg
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.
 

August 23, 2025, 12:51:03 AM
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Some people collect Christmas tree toys, and some people collect knives or something else.

In one video recording, where Oleg Arkhipov talks about the Dyatlov Pass, there are knives hanging on the wall behind him.

I don't see anything interesting in the pictures of the green, red and other knives. They are rather faded, because they are old.
This summer, I bought a RINGEL knife for cutting bread and meat for 200 hryvnia, a modern elegant knife, for only 200 hryvnia (the price of 8  bread), in the next (adjacent) house. Quite a wonderful knife. When I chose it, I did not have much choice or hesitation.

Such a knife is needed. if the tent is made of sheet iron. Apparently, for someone, decorative knives are an object of passion (like vases). and the imagination arises that this is the kind of knife that is needed...

If the tent is made of fabric, then scissors are enough to cut it. A knife is not necessary. I prooved and checked it.
A sharp knife cuts instantly and does not leave such traces of the beginning of the cut.
 

September 03, 2025, 11:05:17 AM
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Hunter


Аксельрод, нож может быть острым, но само острие притуплено из-за особенностей эксплуатации. Например, из-за вскрытия консервных банок.

Axelrod, the knife may be sharp, but the tip itself is dulled due to the particularities of use. For example, due to opening cans.
Нет лучше охоты, чем охота на человека. Кто познал охоту на вооружённых людей, и полюбил её, больше не захочет познать ни чего другого.