Unknown diary

[OLD JEDI 72]

I've been stuck on this diary for a few days now, and thought a thread devoted to it would be appropriate. Whose was it? And what are some peoples opinions on all the holes that seemed to be there already?
https://dyatlovpass.com/unknown-diary

"Lyuda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Tibo changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged."

Where were these sewn holes? Why were they there (because it was too hot?), and could these holes have been the tears and cuts that were already there?

[ahabmyth]

Where were these sewn holes? Why were they there (because it was too hot?), and could these holes have been the tears and cuts that were already there?

Yep read this diary many times it was under Zina I think. Dont get me going about the cuts and tears  as many times I have written about the tent being rotten.




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Sometimes common sense isnt all that common.

[SURI]

I think this translation is more accurate regarding Lyuda.

"Люда быстро отработалась, села у костра."

"Lyuda quickly finished her work and sat down by the fire."

[Teddy]

I think this translation is more accurate regarding Lyuda.

"Люда быстро отработалась, села у костра."

"Lyuda quickly finished her work and sat down by the fire."

Fixed

[OLD JEDI 72]

I think this translation is more accurate regarding Lyuda.

"Люда быстро отработалась, села у костра."

"Lyuda quickly finished her work and sat down by the fire."

I must have missed something, I thought I was just pasting what was already there, but after checking, it changed to your translation on the main page. Using deductive reasoning and seeing Teddy saying "fixed," I assume it's been corrected at the source. Interesting how similar yet different it is. One implying that she was lazy, the other implying she was fast. I wonder why the guys would be outraged then? Doesn't it seem like the tone of author of this diary is 'matter of fact' without showing too much emotion? It's like someone is going out of their way to be a tattle-tale.

[OLD JEDI 72]

Where were these sewn holes? Why were they there (because it was too hot?), and could these holes have been the tears and cuts that were already there?

Yep read this diary many times it was under Zina I think. Dont get me going about the cuts and tears  as many times I have written about the tent being rotten.




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Sometimes common sense isnt all that common.

Thanks for the reply. I understand it can be frustrating repeating oneself, and I have seen some of your comments about the tent being rotten. I don't remember anything said about these many holes in the tent that required everyone basically to sew (except 2 attendents, probably T-Bo and Koletov and Lydia briefly). Where did these sewn holes go? Or were they re-ripped open again whenever what happened, happened?

[SURI]

I am convinced that Zina did not write this diary. In his real personal diary, he writes about Doroshenko and his birthday, but he doesn't mention anything about the tangerine. While here, a tangerine is given to Kolevatov for his birthday, even though it was not his birthday. Why would she write one way one time and another way the next? The author is someone else. This diary is about something completely different.

[Axelrod]

I think that they were not sewing up the holes in the tent, but the holes in the shoe covers.
As we know, Lyuda Dubinina bought 5 meters of cambric with the money allocated for the hike (200 rubles from the hike project).
It turns out that each one is half a meter high, like the height of the boots, and the width of the roll is equal to the girth (one and a half or two meters).

Dmitry Kireyev from Serov told me his vision that Zina Kolmogorova cut shoe covers from this fabric at a school near the train station in the city of Serov. This can be seen in the last photo on film #2. Since cambric is a fragile fabric, there could be problems with it.
Therefore, all the tourists were angry and Lyuda hid in the tent.
All the others sewed up their shoe covers while sitting by the fire.

It is hard to imagine several people spreading out inside or outside to sew a tent. One person is enough for this job.


To Z. Kolmogorova also belong: vigogne socks almost black color (tinted), white woolen socks, mended tarpaulin, mittens wool blue brown pattern, cotton, blue ski gauntlet gloves ("Краги" - russ.), dark brown woolen gloves, mended tent cover (old), home cloth slippers, new, on the sole outside herringbone pattern.

Ladies quilted jacket with artificial dark brown collar with a rubber band at the bottom and fastened hood made of blue satin. The show covers are made of decorative cloth (in the form of bags)

[OLD JEDI 72]

I think that they were not sewing up the holes in the tent, but the holes in the shoe covers.
As we know, Lyuda Dubinina bought 5 meters of cambric with the money allocated for the hike (200 rubles from the hike project).
It turns out that each one is half a meter high, like the height of the boots, and the width of the roll is equal to the girth (one and a half or two meters).

Dmitry Kireyev from Serov told me his vision that Zina Kolmogorova cut shoe covers from this fabric at a school near the train station in the city of Serov. This can be seen in the last photo on film #2. Since cambric is a fragile fabric, there could be problems with it.
Therefore, all the tourists were angry and Lyuda hid in the tent.
All the others sewed up their shoe covers while sitting by the fire.

It is hard to imagine several people spreading out inside or outside to sew a tent. One person is enough for this job.


To Z. Kolmogorova also belong: vigogne socks almost black color (tinted), white woolen socks, mended tarpaulin, mittens wool blue brown pattern, cotton, blue ski gauntlet gloves ("Краги" - russ.), dark brown woolen gloves, mended tent cover (old), home cloth slippers, new, on the sole outside herringbone pattern.

Ladies quilted jacket with artificial dark brown collar with a rubber band at the bottom and fastened hood made of blue satin. The show covers are made of decorative cloth (in the form of bags)

I remember her using group money to buy fabric she fancied, on a whim. I don't see how you can make the jump to shoe covers, though. Even if they did use the cambric for that. That seems like conflation. "And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged."

[OLD JEDI 72]

I am convinced that Zina did not write this diary. In his real personal diary, he writes about Doroshenko and his birthday, but he doesn't mention anything about the tangerine. While here, a tangerine is given to Kolevatov for his birthday, even though it was not his birthday. Why would she write one way one time and another way the next? The author is someone else. This diary is about something completely different.

I keep reading in different places that they were talking about Zolo as Sasha. His BD is either Feburary 2 or March 1 but who's to say what he told the group? Or maybe it was a "pre birthday" present. What do you think the diary is about?

[OLD JEDI 72]

I remember her using group money to buy fabric she fancied, on a whim. I don't see how you can make the jump to shoe covers, though.

Please do not try to convince me of the mythology associated with the Dyatlov Pass. You are not a witness, but rather a victim of the imagination.

Who is trying to convince you of anything? Certainly not I, sir. And as far as imaginations and victims go, what an ironic thing to say! I am not the one relying on "visions" from someone else and rewriting "tent" with "shoe covers."

[Axelrod]

I am not the one relying on "visions" from someone else and rewriting "tent" with "shoe covers."

https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-11-20

In addition, some things remain unidentified, such as:

boots covers (all torn - 9 pairs);

[sarapuk]

I've been stuck on this diary for a few days now, and thought a thread devoted to it would be appropriate. Whose was it? And what are some peoples opinions on all the holes that seemed to be there already?
https://dyatlovpass.com/unknown-diary

"Lyuda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Tibo changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged."

Where were these sewn holes? Why were they there (because it was too hot?), and could these holes have been the tears and cuts that were already there?

Once again we are at a loss because we do not have the tent to examine. It was disposed of for some reason. Or maybe it was hidden away in some secret archive.

[Teddy]

Posts about higher power punishment and Holy Scripture were reported to me and I agree they are disturbing and offensive. I do not want this in my forum.
You can start all this over again here: Religious Connections

[ahabmyth]

Posts about higher power punishment and Holy Scripture were reported to me and I agree they are disturbing and offensive. I do not want this in my forum.
You can start all this over again here: Religious Connections

I am in total agreement with you Teddy, I dont think these comments are necessary or wanted on these posts. I do however feel it strange that there is an area where you can post these comments, maybe best idea is to remove the area. There maybe a place for this but personally I dont want it here. We dont want preachers taking over any part of this serious narrative on the mystery. Cheers.

[ahabmyth]

I've been stuck on this diary for a few days now, and thought a thread devoted to it would be appropriate. Whose was it? And what are some peoples opinions on all the holes that seemed to be there already?
https://dyatlovpass.com/unknown-diary

 Yeda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Tibo changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged."

Where were these sewn holes? Why were they there (because it was too hot?), and could these holes have been the tears and cuts that were already there?

Once again we are at a loss because we do not have the tent to examine. It was disposed of for some reason. Or maybe it was hidden away in some secret archive.

Yes reminds me of "Raiders of the lost Ark" where the Holy Grail is in a box being taken for storage in a huge repository.

[sarapuk]

I've been stuck on this diary for a few days now, and thought a thread devoted to it would be appropriate. Whose was it? And what are some peoples opinions on all the holes that seemed to be there already?
https://dyatlovpass.com/unknown-diary

 Yeda quickly got tired and sat down by the fire. Nick Tibo changed his clothes. He began to write a diary. The law is that until all the work is done, do not approach the fire. And so they had a long argument, of who will sew the tent. Finally K. Tibo gave up and took a needle. Lyuda remained seated. And we sewed the hole (and there were so many that there was enough work for all except two attendants and Lyuda. Guys are terribly outraged."

Where were these sewn holes? Why were they there (because it was too hot?), and could these holes have been the tears and cuts that were already there?

Once again we are at a loss because we do not have the tent to examine. It was disposed of for some reason. Or maybe it was hidden away in some secret archive.

Yes reminds me of "Raiders of the lost Ark" where the Holy Grail is in a box being taken for storage in a huge repository.

[ Well, funny enough, you may be on to something there. The actual tent was kept for a reason, under lock and key, presumably, during the Soviet era. But after the collapse of the USSR, it went missing, supposedly destroyed because it was not in good condition. Or was it secreted somewhere else for safety and security reasons. ] 

[Hunter]

The tent was unfit for further use, so they didn't take it back. According to Ankundinov, as a forensic expert, he saw it in the basement of the building where the forensic facility was located. But after the water main burst, it became unusable even as a teaching aid, and they threw it away.

It's unlikely they would have bought the wrong fabric for shoe covers. More likely, they bought the cambric for sewing bags for groceries, especially bulk items. Nowadays, they might use plastic bottles for storing cereals.

[sarapuk]

The tent was unfit for further use, so they didn't take it back. According to Ankundinov, as a forensic expert, he saw it in the basement of the building where the forensic facility was located. But after the water main burst, it became unusable even as a teaching aid, and they threw it away.

It seems implausible that the wet tent would be thrown away. It was the Dyatlov tent, and it was kept for a reason.

[Ziljoe]

The tent was unfit for further use, so they didn't take it back. According to Ankundinov, as a forensic expert, he saw it in the basement of the building where the forensic facility was located. But after the water main burst, it became unusable even as a teaching aid, and they threw it away.

It seems implausible that the wet tent would be thrown away. It was the Dyatlov tent, and it was kept for a reason.

Sarapuk. I hope you are well. I wonder if you could be more careful when editing the replies. The way you are replying makes it look the person you are replying to is saying your actual quote . It doesn't read well for others and is confusing.

Anyway, why keep the tent , Who cares to keep a shredded tent forever .

Scenario 1)
If it was a cover up of some sort , UFO , rocket , KGB it would be written in the case files . The case would be concluded and there would be no need to keep the tent.

Scenario 2) if it was an avalanche, animal , infrasound etc. ( Which is basically what the case files say) . There would be no need to keep the tent.

Basically, no one cares about the tent, from the beginning of the search where it is ripped apart and dragged to the helicopter and eventually being left in a cupboard.

[Hunter]

Are you aware of the practice in the USSR regarding items that were considered evidence or material proof, or not?

[amashilu]

Are you aware of the practice in the USSR regarding items that were considered evidence or material proof, or not?

Hunter, please could you enlighten us, as to this practice you are referring to?

[Hunter]

I write in Russian and then Google translate.
In short, for each item seized from the scene of an incident or crime, the investigator is obliged to make a decision and record it by drawing up a corresponding document. Depending on the situation, the item may be returned to the owner or his heirs, transferred to the state, destroyed, or left in the laboratory as a visual or auxiliary material.
The tent could have been left in the laboratory as a demonstration (capable) material, since the tourist club did not want to take it due to the fact that its use for its intended purpose was impossible.
The investigator couldn't simply leave the item. But that's de jure. De facto, situations varied.

[sarapuk]

The tent was unfit for further use, so they didn't take it back. According to Ankundinov, as a forensic expert, he saw it in the basement of the building where the forensic facility was located. But after the water main burst, it became unusable even as a teaching aid, and they threw it away.

It seems implausible that the wet tent would be thrown away. It was the Dyatlov tent, and it was kept for a reason.

Sarapuk. I hope you are well. I wonder if you could be more careful when editing the replies. The way you are replying makes it look the person you are replying to is saying your actual quote . It doesn't read well for others and is confusing.

Anyway, why keep the tent , Who cares to keep a shredded tent forever .

Scenario 1)
If it was a cover up of some sort , UFO , rocket , KGB it would be written in the case files . The case would be concluded and there would be no need to keep the tent.

Scenario 2) if it was an avalanche, animal , infrasound etc. ( Which is basically what the case files say) . There would be no need to keep the tent.

Basically, no one cares about the tent, from the beginning of the search where it is ripped apart and dragged to the helicopter and eventually being left in a cupboard.

On the contrary. Re scenario 1. If it was some sort of cover up then the tent would be kept under lock and key if the cover up was concerning something extraordinary that may have involved UFO, Aliens.

[sarapuk]

I write in Russian and then Google translate.
In short, for each item seized from the scene of an incident or crime, the investigator is obliged to make a decision and record it by drawing up a corresponding document. Depending on the situation, the item may be returned to the owner or his heirs, transferred to the state, destroyed, or left in the laboratory as a visual or auxiliary material.
The tent could have been left in the laboratory as a demonstration (capable) material, since the tourist club did not want to take it due to the fact that its use for its intended purpose was impossible.
The investigator couldn't simply leave the item. But that's de jure. De facto, situations varied.

The USSR was very much a secretive society when it came to certain matters. Certain matters that is. The KREMLIN would certainly have had an interest in the Dyatlov Mystery if it was suspected that there was some sort of paranormal or Alien intervention.

[Ziljoe]

I write in Russian and then Google translate.
In short, for each item seized from the scene of an incident or crime, the investigator is obliged to make a decision and record it by drawing up a corresponding document. Depending on the situation, the item may be returned to the owner or his heirs, transferred to the state, destroyed, or left in the laboratory as a visual or auxiliary material.
The tent could have been left in the laboratory as a demonstration (capable) material, since the tourist club did not want to take it due to the fact that its use for its intended purpose was impossible.
The investigator couldn't simply leave the item. But that's de jure. De facto, situations varied.

The USSR was very much a secretive society when it came to certain matters. Certain matters that is. The KREMLIN would certainly have had an interest in the Dyatlov Mystery if it was suspected that there was some sort of paranormal or Alien intervention.

The USSR filed ordinary accidents under secrets . It's just how they did things . The Kremlin hardly bothered with the hikers and only got involved because the hikers family wrote for help as the UPI was not taking any urgent action. There was no high military presence or different secret tents for a KGB command base. They supplied some sappers and metal detectors and some dogs to try and locate the bodies . The metal detectors were found to be of little use and a plan was made to probe for bodies on the slope and around the cedar. Mansi ,students and some of the locals with knowledge were drafted in on rotation. It was pretty standard search and rescue by the looks of it.

There was major discussions going on about reducing nuclear threats and ibnm's during February between the UK government , France and the USSR . Everyone was hiding their capabilities at the exact same time as ivanov was taking about the obvious rocket tests witnessed in the sky. It looks like ivanov had added 2+2 and came up with 5 . I would suspect that they did not want to waste anymore time on the matter and just closed the case .

[Hunter]

If the tent was important to concealing the truth, it would not have been left behind by the forensic labs.

[sarapuk]

I write in Russian and then Google translate.
In short, for each item seized from the scene of an incident or crime, the investigator is obliged to make a decision and record it by drawing up a corresponding document. Depending on the situation, the item may be returned to the owner or his heirs, transferred to the state, destroyed, or left in the laboratory as a visual or auxiliary material.
The tent could have been left in the laboratory as a demonstration (capable) material, since the tourist club did not want to take it due to the fact that its use for its intended purpose was impossible.
The investigator couldn't simply leave the item. But that's de jure. De facto, situations varied.

The USSR was very much a secretive society when it came to certain matters. Certain matters that is. The KREMLIN would certainly have had an interest in the Dyatlov Mystery if it was suspected that there was some sort of paranormal or Alien intervention.

The USSR filed ordinary accidents under secrets . It's just how they did things . The Kremlin hardly bothered with the hikers and only got involved because the hikers family wrote for help as the UPI was not taking any urgent action. There was no high military presence or different secret tents for a KGB command base. They supplied some sappers and metal detectors and some dogs to try and locate the bodies . The metal detectors were found to be of little use and a plan was made to probe for bodies on the slope and around the cedar. Mansi ,students and some of the locals with knowledge were drafted in on rotation. It was pretty standard search and rescue by the looks of it.

There was major discussions going on about reducing nuclear threats and ibnm's during February between the UK government , France and the USSR . Everyone was hiding their capabilities at the exact same time as ivanov was taking about the obvious rocket tests witnessed in the sky. It looks like ivanov had added 2+2 and came up with 5 . I would suspect that they did not want to waste anymore time on the matter and just closed the case .

A pretty standard search and rescue using a Geiger Counter! Hardly standard, I would have thought. Maybe initially it was standard until things started to crop up.

[sarapuk]

If the tent was important to concealing the truth, it would not have been left behind by the forensic labs.

It wasn't left behind, though, was it! It was recovered from the site, obviously, and apparently investigated properly. And kept under lock and key until the end days of the USSR, when apparently it was destroyed because it was in bad condition. To be honest, I find that reason implausible.

[Hunter]

sarapuk, they wanted to return the tent to the UPI tourist club, but the tourist club did not want to take it, since it was unfit for further use. That's why the tent was stored in the basement—the tourist club didn't take it, and there was no procedural document that would have sent it to the stove or the landfill.