Was the stove used on the night.

[ahabmyth]

Well we do know the stove "was" used as Zina in her diary said it was on the Auspiya River and yes the temperature had been dropping, and cold for the 3rd night. I have repeated in my theory (and others) that the stove was used (obvious if it was going to be the the coldest night) camping on the mountain. Ok now the facts or maybe not.


The searchers said that the stove 1. Was in its box  2. It was "stowed" in one corner .

 Ok lets take ideas

Idea 1. was it in its box, now was there any kindling inside, because this is the "courtesy" that the hikers had, always leave kindling inside the stove for the next hiker to light it, if there was then fair enough the stove wasn't used.

Idea 2. Found stowed in the corner, this intimates to me that it had been used . And that it was taken down or "fell down" and was emptied (burning someone as when it  fell down) and so was "stowed" in the corner (too hot for the box). So which scenario would we believe.

So either carbon monoxide or the stove fell down was the reason for slashing the tent to get out fast.

NB I am still trying to find facts above "Igors stove, I know the approximate size ,I would like to know how it was "made", how the pipes were joined together (we don't see anyone carrying a 2mtr long pipes do we). Now from what I can suggest. It was assembled/disassembled using lengths of pipes with a "ring" of asbestos to "seal" the pipes and a tin plate at the end going through the tent. Described above by myself , this is not a good enough description ie what hold the ends of the pipes together. In my time I have seen various ways of doing this with running a bolt straight through the whole pipes which is one type.So does anyone have an idea, better still a fact.

[Hunter]

ahabmyth
The main question here is - where is the supply of firewood? There should be relatively much of it. There were pipes in the stove and, possibly, small firewood (the so-called kindling) for kindling.

[ahabmyth]

ahabmyth
The main question here is - where is the supply of firewood? There should be relatively much of it. There were pipes in the stove and, possibly, small firewood (the so-called kindling) for kindling.

Yes this is correct. As I stated in the theory that the stove was used, the practicality of using it was partly in vain as the supply of wood they carried was  not enough to sustain them. There would have been kindling in the stove as it was common courtesy to fill it for the next hiker to use.  Whatever happened the theory of an upturned stove or not ,they still needed to get to the treeline for re-supply of the wood. #1 log was found unused by the rescuers , why this was not used we do not know (maybe it was too damp to use). We must not forget that it really didnt take very much wood to keep the stove going and it appears it could get very hot being near it. Take the tent being 3ft high and the stove say 10" deep and the wires to hold it up say 10" it would make the clearance to the base of about 18" not a lot of room ,which is why I think it was knocked, leaked or overturned by the weather.

On the other hand if the tent was near the Cedars there was plenty of wood to even make a fire outside, so what happened ???.

[Hunter]

ahabmyth
the tent was not near the cedar. But at a considerable distance. As for firewood - in a couple of reports I came across that groups that used stoves and planned to stay overnight in a treeless area carried firewood with them from the last stop.

According to reports from those years, the stove could require loading firewood somewhere once every 30-60 minutes. So, knowing the dimensions of the stove, you can calculate the approximate amount of firewood. Minimum and maximum, so to speak.

[ahabmyth]

ahabmyth
the tent was not near the cedar. But at a considerable distance. As for firewood - in a couple of reports I came across that groups that used stoves and planned to stay overnight in a treeless area carried firewood with them from the last stop.

According to reports from those years, the stove could require loading firewood somewhere once every 30-60 minutes. So, knowing the dimensions of the stove, you can calculate the approximate amount of firewood. Minimum and maximum, so to speak.

Yes this is nice to know but the opinions are supposed to be taken into account of two different theories. 1. They camped on the mountain 2. They camped at the cedar. You do realise that Teddy the owner of this site has written a book about the incident. So in a roundabout manner you are in kind ,supposed to incorporate this in your thesis.
Yes well this group used the stove only a day before the tragedy. No doubt kindling was in the stove ,there was also a log. I wouldn't be surprised if extra wood was taken as they had used a labaz ,and the area on their way had plenty of wood until they reached the mountain.
The cedar area was supposed to be their next camp but I surmise because of the inclement weather and the fact that they had the height already for the push to Otorten, Igors wishes to push themselves ended with the situation that ensued. Not everybody was happy about this.
 

[Axelrod]

Yes this is nice to know but the opinions are supposed to be taken into account of two different theories. 1. They camped on the mountain 2. They camped at the cedar. You do realise that Teddy the owner of this site has written a book about the incident. So in a roundabout manner you are in kind ,supposed to incorporate this in your thesis.

I agree with Hunter and consider only one option - a tent on the slope.
I should not consider any other options.

[ahabmyth]

Yes this is nice to know but the opinions are supposed to be taken into account of two different theories. 1. They camped on the mountain 2. They camped at the cedar. You do realise that Teddy the owner of this site has written a book about the incident. So in a roundabout manner you are in kind ,supposed to incorporate this in your thesis.

I agree with Hunter and consider only one option - a tent on the slope.
I should not consider any other options.

Precise and to the point Axelrod good for you.

[Hunter]

Axelrod, how are you?

ahabmyth, I have Teddy's book, but I don't have time to sit down and read it. The second photo is just a rest, when there was no possible conflict.

[ahabmyth]

Axelrod, how are you?

ahabmyth, I have Teddy's book, but I don't have time to sit down and read it. The second photo is just a rest, when there was no possible conflict.

Yeah quite possibly but one could have the impression by the body language that whilst Igor is filling in his diary or doing a crossword puzzle that others are a bit fed up and some more than others.