The fire

[amashilu]

Did the Mansi make fires?

The Mansi hunted this area. I have read a few times that they had regular resting spots, and that the cedar may have been one of these resting spots. When they stopped for an overnight rest, did they make a fire?

The 9 hikers could have made a roaring bonfire, but did not. The fire that was made at the cedar was small and weak and only lasted about 90 minutes before dying out.

[Hunter]

1. Hunting in those places is a very general concept. They could hunt 20 kilometers from the site of the tragedy. For them, this is not a distance.
2. The place for rest and a fire is very inconvenient.
3. The tourists could not make a large fire - they did not have the necessary tools. The saw and suitable axes were left in the tent.

[Ziljoe]

I think if it was the Mansi that made the fire the searchers would have found bigger logs, wood shavings from Saws or axes .

Plus the chum thing that we have the photo of is possibly a wood store and a sign post . I did read ages ago that the Mansi stored wood like this to dry . The chum location seems to be just north of where Zina was found .

Tha advantage of the snow when searching is that it leaves a trail to activities at that moment in time. It is the thaw in May that's shows this level of twigs and debris being dragged to the ravine along with items of clothing. No other traces are recorded, no tin cans, no bones of animals , no other attempts to cut trees , just the 14 or so branches that were used for the den flooring and the broken branches off the Cedar.

It is reported by another that there was considerable melted snow ( gone hard I think) around the fire and that the Yuri's were lying on fir branches . It would be logical to assume this was for insulation from the snow.

As hunter says , they did not have serious tools to  process the wood and climbing a tree to get the weathered branches makes some sense for the hikers but not for Mansi or any outsider's, they would have tools and build a big fire. From building this fire , there would be signs in the snow that this happened. There is nothing there but the broken cedar branches which are burnt through, some branches lying on the lower branches of the cedar that didn't reach the ground and some used as flooring at the cedar.

It is this that confuses me as to why they didn't drag those branches to the den for more insulation and make the fire next to the den.

Given the state of the two Yuri's, their burns , the socks lying around and removal of the lower clothing I can't but help think they got wet which is a small possibility as the ravine comes before the cedar .

For me the activity at the cedar looks like a desperate attempt to warm up and/or dry clothing .

[Hunter]

There are many things that surprise me about the tragedy. I can logically explain the division of the group into the one that went to the tent and those who stayed below. The division of those who stayed below into two groups. But I can’t find a logical explanation for how it happened that the Yuras froze to death by the fire and died before the four in the ravine? And where were the four in the ravine while the Yuras were freezing?

[amashilu]

It's not clear that the Yuris actually died where they were found, lying side by side. There is speculation that they died elsewhere and were brought to their final resting place and positioned.

I have questions about Yuri K's terrible leg burns and whether the fire at the cedar was large enough or strong enough to cause these burns.

"There is a burn across the entire surface of the left anticnemion with a size of 31 x 10 cm with parchment density. In the lower third of the left shin is of a brown-black color with charred tissue and and bursting skin, then in the middle third and upper third the burn surface is bright red and light brown ..."

[Hunter]

When limbs become numb due to cold, people may try to warm them up by bringing them close to a fire to warm them up. And get burned in the process.

[amashilu]

That is true. I am inclined to think that is not what happened here. Looking for thoughts, observations, ideas ....

[SURI]

While the 4 were by the fire, the Yuris were in the tree and therefore also froze earlier.

[amashilu]

This is part of your theory, Suri? Four were around the fire and the 2 Yuris were in the tree? Can you explain more about this.

[sarapuk]

Did the Mansi make fires?

The Mansi hunted this area. I have read a few times that they had regular resting spots, and that the cedar may have been one of these resting spots. When they stopped for an overnight rest, did they make a fire?

The 9 hikers could have made a roaring bonfire, but did not. The fire that was made at the cedar was small and weak and only lasted about 90 minutes before dying out.

Good question. I don't recall such a question being asked before on this Forum. I suppose we have to assume that any hunters would likely make fires, and the Mansi are known to have hunted in the area.

[ilahiyol]

It's not clear that the Yuris actually died where they were found, lying side by side. There is speculation that they died elsewhere and were brought to their final resting place and positioned.

I have questions about Yuri K's terrible leg burns and whether the fire at the cedar was large enough or strong enough to cause these burns.

"There is a burn across the entire surface of the left anticnemion with a size of 31 x 10 cm with parchment density. In the lower third of the left shin is of a brown-black color with charred tissue and and bursting skin, then in the middle third and upper third the burn surface is bright red and light brown ..."

Two Yuris probably froze to death. They were naked when they left the tent, lying in their beds. Therefore, in -15°C (-14°F), they could have died within 3-4 hours! Perhaps it was even longer. Sometimes they can last up to 10 hours. Two Yuris may have died of natural causes, freezing to death. But the others were definitely killed by the attack.

[Hunter]

Judging by the tent inspection reports and the searchers' testimony, the guys were not sleeping when they had to leave the tent.

[ilahiyol]

Judging by the tent inspection reports and the searchers' testimony, the guys were not sleeping when they had to leave the tent.

I don't believe your friends took off the clothes of the two Yuris. I don't see that possible. The two Yuris were definitely partially naked in the tent. That is, they were less clothed than the others. That's why they couldn't have lasted very long in the -25°C tent and in the -15°C forest. It doesn't matter if they were sleeping or not, but they were partially naked. There's another possibility!!! The Mansi... The Mansi might have found the two Yuris dead and taken their clothes while searching them. But that's unlikely. Because if they had found the two Yuris, they could have found the tent as well. They could have stolen the belongings there. The Mansi are definitely not murderers, but they could have been thieves.

[Hunter]

ilahiyol, in situations where survival is at stake, universal human values ​​fade into the background.
And have you read the autopsy reports of the two Yuras?

[ilahiyol]

ilahiyol, in situations where survival is at stake, universal human values ​​fade into the background.
And have you read the autopsy reports of the two Yuras?

Yes, in a survival situation, human values ​​can be nullified. It's possible. But both Yuris' clothes were wet and partially frozen at -15 degrees. In this situation, it's impossible to take their clothes! Even if they did, wet, stiff clothes would be useless. On the contrary, they'll only make you more susceptible to hypothermia in the freezing cold! It's possible they took them off themselves. In that case, their friends might have taken the clothes. Or maybe the Mansi might have taken them.

[Hunter]

They took off their clothes when they weren't frozen solid. That's one. And secondly, they cut some of them off Yura. That's two.

[sarapuk]

It's not clear that the Yuris actually died where they were found, lying side by side. There is speculation that they died elsewhere and were brought to their final resting place and positioned.

I have questions about Yuri K's terrible leg burns and whether the fire at the cedar was large enough or strong enough to cause these burns.

"There is a burn across the entire surface of the left anticnemion with a size of 31 x 10 cm with parchment density. In the lower third of the left shin is of a brown-black color with charred tissue and and bursting skin, then in the middle third and upper third the burn surface is bright red and light brown ..."

Two Yuris probably froze to death. They were naked when they left the tent, lying in their beds. Therefore, in -15°C (-14°F), they could have died within 3-4 hours! Perhaps it was even longer. Sometimes they can last up to 10 hours. Two Yuris may have died of natural causes, freezing to death. But the others were definitely killed by the attack.

Well, as far as we know none of the Dyatlov Group were found naked. And of course we dont know if it was an attack that killed any of the group.

[ilahiyol]

It's not clear that the Yuris actually died where they were found, lying side by side. There is speculation that they died elsewhere and were brought to their final resting place and positioned.

I have questions about Yuri K's terrible leg burns and whether the fire at the cedar was large enough or strong enough to cause these burns.

"There is a burn across the entire surface of the left anticnemion with a size of 31 x 10 cm with parchment density. In the lower third of the left shin is of a brown-black color with charred tissue and and bursting skin, then in the middle third and upper third the burn surface is bright red and light brown ..."

Two Yuris probably froze to death. They were naked when they left the tent, lying in their beds. Therefore, in -15°C (-14°F), they could have died within 3-4 hours! Perhaps it was even longer. Sometimes they can last up to 10 hours. Two Yuris may have died of natural causes, freezing to death. But the others were definitely killed by the attack.

Well, as far as we know none of the Dyatlov Group were found naked. And of course we dont know if it was an attack that killed any of the group.

The two Yuris were found under a tree wearing only their underwear. So, they were half-naked. We can't know for sure whether they had their outer garments on when they left the tent. They were probably the least clothed when they left. Perhaps they were wearing only their underwear or a single layer of outer clothing. Therefore, they were the ones who suffered the most from the cold. They stayed in the tent by the fire because they had no other option. The fire provided some warmth. They later died of hypothermia.

[Hunter]

What do you mean by naked? A complete lack of clothing?

[ilahiyol]

What do you mean by naked? A complete lack of clothing?

No, I mean half-naked. The two Yuris were the least dressed. That's why they were the hardest hit by the cold. These two were the purest and cleanest members of the group. They had taken off their outer clothing in the tent because they thought nothing would happen and wanted to rest. And when the attack happened, they were caught off guard. They left the tent half-naked. If it was snowing at the time, or if the snow from the branches fell on them as they climbed the tree, they got wet. This caused them to quickly develop hypothermia. And when the fire burned, they died of cold. Their friends pulled them aside and took some of their clothes.

[SURI]

Both Yuris knew full well what was happening and definitely did not go into the forest half-naked. Krivonischenko was the one who, because of that force, cut the tent with his knife, took a picture of it, and left a note about it on his body. He was the only one who could have done that. Although Slobodin had writing utensils with him, he didn't get the chance to use them.

[Hunter]

If danger (no matter whether real or imaginary) required immediate action, then everyone would run away in whatever clothes they had on.
Krivonischenko did not write any notes.

[SURI]

If danger (no matter whether real or imaginary) required immediate action, then everyone would run away in whatever clothes they had on.
Krivonischenko did not write any notes.

Examine Krivonischenko's left thigh.

[Hunter]

SURI, осмотрел по фото. Ничего нет. Никаких надписей.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
Suri, I looked at the photo. There's nothing there. No inscriptions.

[SURI]

SURI, осмотрел по фото. Ничего нет. Никаких надписей.

ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
Suri, I looked at the photo. There's nothing there. No inscriptions.

You may not see it, just like the star on Zina's forehead above her right eye. If you wanted to write something and had no other option (you were in a tree), the text on the thigh would be in this direction and inclination. Of course, it wouldn't be with a pencil, but with what you have with you - wire.

[sarapuk]

What do you mean by naked? A complete lack of clothing?

No, I mean half-naked. The two Yuris were the least dressed. That's why they were the hardest hit by the cold. These two were the purest and cleanest members of the group. They had taken off their outer clothing in the tent because they thought nothing would happen and wanted to rest. And when the attack happened, they were caught off guard. They left the tent half-naked. If it was snowing at the time, or if the snow from the branches fell on them as they climbed the tree, they got wet. This caused them to quickly develop hypothermia. And when the fire burned, they died of cold. Their friends pulled them aside and took some of their clothes.

Well, I suppose we will never know the exact state of dressing. Only what clothing they were found in. Seems extraordinary if they left the tent and went downhill such a long distance in just underclothing.

[sarapuk]

If danger (no matter whether real or imaginary) required immediate action, then everyone would run away in whatever clothes they had on.
Krivonischenko did not write any notes.

Yes, for sure, in a serious emergency, you flee however you are dressed. In this case, they got out of the tent and then continued downhill, not bothering to go back into the tent to retrieve any clothing or equipment.