picture of the lights

[farelaurent]

I worked on the photo of the lights taken by the group
I wanted to bring out details
There is a light that has an octagonal shape
By increasing the contrast of the lights that appear on the left, when looking at it and stepping back, it looks like a face.
My name is Farel Laurent, I live in France in a city called Longwy.

[Missi]

You applied digital filters and the like to a picture. Things like your octagonal shape are what happen then. When looking at the eighth and ninth of your pictures, I'm sure I can make out a CD. Does that mean, it's all about some storage medium from the future?

What do you suggest, that shape means?

[farelaurent]

If you look at the original photo that the group took in zoom, you will also see this octagonal shape.
The photo is stored on my computer. The original photo appears as the second photo.
I didn't modify anything, I just applied color and sharpened the photo, that's all. The octagonal shape appears on the original, so it's not due to my filters.
It's either a man-made device, an extraterrestrial device, or a hoax.
It is impossible to answer this question; I do not believe in the avalanche theory or the theory of a tree falling on the tent

[Missi]

Sure it's in there. I take it for lens flare.

(By the way, not to be rude, but because I found it cute and I myself like people pointing out things like that for me: The last word you mean is "tent". "aunt" is a parents sister. I believe in french it's le tente and la tante?)

[Ziljoe]

It's explained in here.

https://dyatlovpass.com/frame-34

The octagon shape is the middle of the lens. The lens is said to be Industar-22. I believe it's a fact that it's known that the lens is not fully extended. It this that causes the blurring . If you look at the pictures of the lens you can see the reflection of light on the glass and the 8 sided shape.

Frame 34 was the last picture taken in the camera and is the end of the film before you have to wind it back. As I understand it , this camera was found in the tent and is definitely not Zolo's camera as we know the photos that came before frame 34.

The link explains the most likely scenario.

[farelaurent]

Yes, I had thought of that, but what do you think these lights are?
There are also testimonies from people who saw a luminous orb at the group's campsite.
Sorry for my very bad English

[farelaurent]

Looking at the light on the left with a trail suggests an object moving downwards towards the ground

[Ziljoe]

It could be any source of light. A light bulb , a window  etc. the light segments could be the window pains and the brighter big blur a reflection, it could be anything.

I think the context of this camera being stowed or packed when it was found suggests it wasn't used for any last minute photo of something mysterious. I would need to check the case files as I think one camera was attached to a tripod when found.

The story of a luminous orb seen at the campsite is a bit of a myth I think.

Lights were seen in the sky with rings etc but what direction , when and at what distance varies. Some were viewed from far away, 100km  perhaps or more but that doesn't mean the orbs or lights weren't 200km away or less at 50km.

The description and one of the dates seems to match the launch of a space rocket or missile . There's a thread with videos of what was probably seen by these various observer's. It's to do with sunrise and the shadow of the earth, when the rocket gets to certain height or altitude, gases can be seen and depending on the rocket , various stages might be detached. They cause rings around the burning rocket stage for example .

Many lights were observed in the sky over the Urals before and after the dyatlov pass . It's the same all over the world. At any day of the week you would probably get people reporting lights in the sky. In ww2 I'm sure people saw the V2 and doodlebug and wondered what they were?.

If you Google or look on YouTube for space x launches you will see the drama that unfolded as the citizens didn't know what they were seeing, that was a couple of years ago.

The last photo is probably the last shot being taken so the film can be wound back. If I remember correctly, sometimes you would get a couple of extra shots on the film, some times bang on. Old cameras are a bit like a bolt action rifle, you have to wind ( load ) the film before you can take a photo( shot) . The camera may have been primed to take a shot and the searchers that were to develop the film just pressed the button and it took a random shot. We can see this in the link I supplied at the very bottom.

[farelaurent]

I am now convinced that the octagonal shape is due to the aperture of the diaphragm, but this still does not explain the lights.

There is necessarily an explanation for the observed phenomenon. This explanation may be of natural origin or, more exceptionally, related to a phenomenon that is not yet understood.

Science prioritizes natural hypotheses, not by rejecting the supernatural, but because they are testable, reproducible, and falsifiable. This does not mean that other forms of explanation are impossible, only that they cannot be validated without measurable evidence.

The human mind is indeed structured to seek rational causes, as this framework allows for the construction of coherent and predictive models of reality. However, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The hypothesis of life in another universe, endowed with an intelligence superior to ours, cannot be dismissed a priori. As long as no experimental data allows a definitive conclusion, this hypothesis remains speculative but logically acceptable, just like any other unproven explanation.

[Ziljoe]

It certainly doesn't mean I'm correct but there's probably more evidence or stronger argument for alien life in other incidents around the world.

The lights on or in the photograph represent light going through the lens at the time the shutter was open. The lens is not fully extended. That's about all we can conclude. Perhaps the shot was taken as the camera was being put back in it's case?

[farelaurent]

I am not saying that you are right, nor that I am right.
We are caught up in this affair, and we simply want the real truth, not speculation.
But to obtain that real truth, we would need many elements that we no longer have.
Therefore, this affair will remain in the shadows forever.

I think of those young men and women who set out in search of an exceptional adventure,
which tragically ended in death.
May they rest in peace.

[Missi]

I've just tried to verify, whose camera was the one on the tripod, for I completely forgot about the tripod. Tripods are used to steady the camera and therefor usually when taking night photos.

The case files state, that a camera was found on a tripod. It has a number, no owner. But it says, that 34 photos were taken, if I understand correctly. Please verify: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-3-6?rbid=17743 (Sheet 5)

The only film with 34 photos belonged to Krivonischenko's camera. This is the film with that ominous 34th picture.

I don't know that model of camera, but I know old cameras. The ones I used in my childhood didn't easily take photos when placed back in their cases. A camera mounted to a tripod and laid somewhere in a tent, may very well, however. Especially when things get shifted, due to reasons.
Did anyone ever think about the possibility that that picture shows either the interior of the tent with some light source like a flashlight? I don't think there's a real mystery to that picture other than us wanting to know more details. But that's my gut feeling, not a proof.

[farelaurent]

Thank you so much, dear friends, for this information. I'm going to go and look into it.

[farelaurent]

The night is calm.
They are lying inside the tent, asleep.

Suddenly, a massive noise tears through the silence.
They wake up in shock.
The fabric of the tent trembles.

One of them cuts a hole in the tent and looks through the opening.
He takes a photograph.
Outside, something shines. A powerful, unreal light.

They shout to wake the others.
Fear takes hold of them.
They do not try to understand.

They all flee together, running,
leaving their belongings behind,
abandoning the tent,
vanishing into the frozen night,
without even taking the time to put on their shoes.

The mountain watches.
Silence returns.

[Ziljoe]

I've just tried to verify, whose camera was the one on the tripod, for I completely forgot about the tripod. Tripods are used to steady the camera and therefor usually when taking night photos.

The case files state, that a camera was found on a tripod. It has a number, no owner. But it says, that 34 photos were taken, if I understand correctly. Please verify: https://dyatlovpass.com/case-files-3-6?rbid=17743 (Sheet 5)

The only film with 34 photos belonged to Krivonischenko's camera. This is the film with that ominous 34th picture.

I don't know that model of camera, but I know old cameras. The ones I used in my childhood didn't easily take photos when placed back in their cases. A camera mounted to a tripod and laid somewhere in a tent, may very well, however. Especially when things get shifted, due to reasons.
Did anyone ever think about the possibility that that picture shows either the interior of the tent with some light source like a flashlight? I don't think there's a real mystery to that picture other than us wanting to know more details. But that's my gut feeling, not a proof.

Thanks Missi. It was possibly mounted on the tripod for the two previous frames . When I say it might have been taken when being pushed back in it's case , I mean in its case or being packed anywhere ( I think the leather cases fold off the front ), just a fumbling accident with gloves or whatever. It would all depend if the film had been wound on for the next shot.

I suspect the tripod would be a miniature small one . It would be slightly impractical to mount the tripod for just one shot . I would think one would rewind the the film first , load new film , then attach the tripod for the subject matter, so this makes me think it was already attached.

I've mentioned this before and I'm sure one of the Yuri's was known to build miniature rockets or fireworks. I had considered that they had brought rockets or materials to build one and the plan was to take a night photo with the aid of the tripod and perhaps produce it in honour of the party. My thinking tied in a few things, the photo, lyundas bad mood that would be over in a couple of days , burns from the rocket going wrong and the cutting of the tent to get rid of the failed rocket . Perhaps chemicals released that affected breathing and the eyes. Obviously that theory has as many holes as the tent .....

[Missi]

Yes, I do think as well, that the tripod was mounted for the previous pictures. Taking into account, that it seems to be very windy and snowy, that would make sense. Other than that, I could imagine that they wanted to take nightly pictures and didn't realize the film was already done (or almost done). And depending on the model of the camera, that did happen. At least it did to me...

I'm not sure about the rocketbuilding. I doubt that some kind of selfbuilt rocket would lead to burns like documented. I doubt, that they would cut the tent for disposing of it. That doesn't convince me. But again, that's a feeling, no proof.
Plus: Wouldn't chemicals or rests of rockets have been found?

[Ziljoe]

Yes, I do think as well, that the tripod was mounted for the previous pictures. Taking into account, that it seems to be very windy and snowy, that would make sense. Other than that, I could imagine that they wanted to take nightly pictures and didn't realize the film was already done (or almost done). And depending on the model of the camera, that did happen. At least it did to me...

I'm not sure about the rocketbuilding. I doubt that some kind of selfbuilt rocket would lead to burns like documented. I doubt, that they would cut the tent for disposing of it. That doesn't convince me. But again, that's a feeling, no proof.
Plus: Wouldn't chemicals or rests of rockets have been found?

I think the tripod would be used for low light too. The last 2 alleged photos of the tent trench  may have used the tripod. My thinking again would be the low light at 5pm but I would also expect to see a bit more motion blur from moving arms and skis. Well we know one of the cameras was mounted to a tripod.

Yeah, the the rocket firework thing only fits a part of the puzzle but I was thinking along the lines of instead of the emergency of getting themselves out of the tent , it might be to get something out and firework chemicals could have ignited . There has been talk of perhaps old film igniting . Obviously it doesn't answer broken ribs or not taking more clothing etc.

[Missi]

As I mentioned above, we can be pretty sure that this exact camera was mounted to the tripod, because the case files tell us, that the camera mounted to the tripod had 34 pictures taken and this is the only one with as many pictures on the film.

But whatever would have been used as chemicals for a rocket must have been brought on site somehow. Usually you place things like chemicals into boxes or glasses or whatnot. So those must have disappeared or they would have been found. And I would believe, they could have detected chemicals back then. So why no mention of anything like that?
Yes, I know, there are omissions in the files and many mistakes were made. It doesn't feel right...

[Ziljoe]

As I mentioned above, we can be pretty sure that this exact camera was mounted to the tripod, because the case files tell us, that the camera mounted to the tripod had 34 pictures taken and this is the only one with as many pictures on the film.

But whatever would have been used as chemicals for a rocket must have been brought on site somehow. Usually you place things like chemicals into boxes or glasses or whatnot. So those must have disappeared or they would have been found. And I would believe, they could have detected chemicals back then. So why no mention of anything like that?
Yes, I know, there are omissions in the files and many mistakes were made. It doesn't feel right...

No problem. I'm just juggling previous thoughts in case someone else thinks of something. Oddly enough, I ended up finding out that camera lenses were radioactive as they used thorium in manufacturing. These seem to be used in the west though and not the soviet union and we're stopped in the 70's. It's not even the same type of radiation but interesting none the the less.

I'm all for process of elimination.

[farelaurent]

Regarding the flares and the tripod, in everything I have read, no one mentions flares. And in all the photos I have seen, I do not see the hikers with a camera tripod. Show me the article where they talk about pyrotechnic flares.
Do you think they had the time to bring flares to celebrate? Moreover, the expedition was level 3, the highest level. And regarding the tripod, I don’t think they would have burdened themselves with extra weight when their backpacks were already very heavy. I do not believe that at all.

[Missi]

The fireworks were just an idea. There's nothing that really points to that direction.

As for the tripod: It is mentioned in the lists of what was found. If the hikers didn't bring the tripod it is a sign for manipulation by a third party. But I can believe that someone really into photography brought a tripod for better photos of nighttime. I know my father carried one across Amsterdam just to be able to take clear photos of the lights in the dark. I'll admit that was about 50 years later and there might have been lighter and more "foldable" models by then.

And although the expedition was a level 3 one, they were young people. They did things one would not expect on a journey like that. I've always wondered about the story at the train station. To me, that seemed reckless. But they did it, nevertheless. They even took a mandolin. So I guess, whatever they thought might be fun or worth investigating in, they took. Fireworks wouldn't be that far off. But again, as of now, I never saw anything pointing to that direction.

[Ziljoe]

Regarding the flares and the tripod, in everything I have read, no one mentions flares. And in all the photos I have seen, I do not see the hikers with a camera tripod. Show me the article where they talk about pyrotechnic flares.
Do you think they had the time to bring flares to celebrate? Moreover, the expedition was level 3, the highest level. And regarding the tripod, I don’t think they would have burdened themselves with extra weight when their backpacks were already very heavy. I do not believe that at all.

Dear farelaurent,

It is good to be flexible with thoughts about the dyatlov pass. It is surrounded and littered with made up claims.

The hikers had a tripod and was most likely a small telescopic one so relax. The level 3 just means more than 2 . To take flares is also reasonable. You wished for the reason for the light on the photo , I have given you three. Accidentally being taken by the hikers , accidentally or purposely taken by the searchers to finish the film so they can start developing the film or  a photo of a flare / home made rocket.

Which or what you choose is up to you , you may have wanted me to say that it was the shuttle ship , #+821BS, from the intergalactic honorary quadrant collective carrier ship. The shuttle ships were known to have problems with the exhaust manifold when dealing with plasma fuel.

This was known within the government of the planet called ,"Some fantastic true idea", responsible for their contribution of shuttle manufacturing as they had previously been outsourcing the jobs to the planet Jogxico . Due to poor understanding of the economic models and cost cutting the defect was never rectified .

When they arrived at earth the shuttle was doing its usual exploration of a planet when the exhaust manifold started to play up causing it to lose altitude in the earths atmosphere. The lights observed by the witnesses and photos  taken by the hikers are the plasma coming out of the shuttle. The shuttle bounced twice off the slope of 1079 but the SOP were followed which instructed the use of gaffar tape to be used in such an emergency . The crew , having  wound the tape twice around the leak successfully regained altitude and managed to return to the mother ship.

Unfortunately, no evidence was left.

[farelaurent]

Yes, indeed, you are right about the tripod; I have just seen it in the list of recovered items. However, regarding the fireworks, I think we should drop this theory: they do not appear in the list of the recovered items

[farelaurent]

Attached is the document containing the list of valuable items removed from the tent of the missing Dyatlov group and presented by members of our search unit. The attached protocol lists the following items:

“Sharp” camera with a tripod and a broken light filter. Camera No. 488797. 34 photographs taken.

“Sharp” camera No. 486963. 27 photographs taken. Deep scratches on the body. The strap is torn.

“Sharp” camera No. 55149239. 27 photographs taken.

Hand compass.

Train and bus tickets.

Field bag.

Electric flashlight.

Two boxes containing wires, etc.

Diary belonging to Slobodin.

Sheet 6

Money and a letter from the Trade Department of the City Executive Committee.

Money in the amount of nine hundred seventy-five rubles.

Diary of Kolmogorova. Last entry dated January 30.

Routing Commission protocol.

Letter in the name of Dyatlov.

Route logbook No. 5, in three copies.

Sealed container containing 10 rolls of film, one roll of photographic film, and money in the amount of seven hundred rubles.

Assignment of Tomerip in the name of Dyatlov.

Maps, tracing paper, and photocopies (9 items).

Expedition plan.

(May be read as “11” – editor’s note.) Cover letter from the Institute’s Trade Union.

Passport in the name of Dyatlov.

Ivdel Jr. Attorney, Legal Advisor Judge Tempalov
Signature: /Tempalov/

Head of the Search Team E. Maslennikov
Signature: /Maslennikov/



Witnesses:

Signature: /Yarovoy/
Signature: /Slobtsov/
Signature: /Kurikov/

[farelaurent]

By increasing the contrast of the lights that appear on the left, when looking at it and stepping back, it looks like a face.

[GlennM]

Pareidolia

[farelaurent]

or the killer's head

[GlennM]

Long time, no sea!

[farelaurent]

 

[Missi]

Long time, no sea!