Cattle and Animal and Human Mutilations

[sarapuk]

I have decided to start this new topic because it needs to be brought out more into the public domain, the similarities with the phenomena and the Dyatlov Case. And to get the ball rolling, an excellent video. I have actually spoken with one of the people in the video, and the stories he told me were amazing and scary.

[Ziljoe]

Excellent.

I will be contributing, however I might come across as a bit cynical but it's not aimed at you sarapuk. More to do with how such information is collated etc.

I will share my view points and my experiences of UFO 's and lack of. I will also share a story from a good friend that just blows my mind as I trust this person. I've messaged them to ask for their story again but it was many years ago and doesn't follow the usual trend of UFO stories.

I'm still grounded to a natural event for the DPI but I feel this thread will be good to explore.

[Ziljoe]

Loving the Alien

https://youtu.be/ns2hmyP0mGY?si=DOeB0PrPvPFzY92W

[sarapuk]

Excellent.

I will be contributing, however I might come across as a bit cynical but it's not aimed at you sarapuk. More to do with how such information is collated etc.

I will share my view points and my experiences of UFO 's and lack of. I will also share a story from a good friend that just blows my mind as I trust this person. I've messaged them to ask for their story again but it was many years ago and doesn't follow the usual trend of UFO stories.

I'm still grounded to a natural event for the DPI but I feel this thread will be good to explore.

Thanks Ziljoe. I know it's a difficult subject, but we have to at least look at it. We live in interesting times. Donald Trump is causing a stir again; now he is talking about releasing all of the Pentagon files related to such subjects. Be interesting to see what is actually released. I bet a lot will be held back.

[sarapuk]

Loving the Alien

https://youtu.be/ns2hmyP0mGY?si=DOeB0PrPvPFzY92W

Some say he was an Alien 😊👽. He was extraordinary, that's for sure.

[Senior Maldonado]

Well, on watching the Youtube video, I am not convinced at all that Aliens visit Earth to practice animal and human mutilations.

If they are so technology advanced, why do they need to steel animal and human organs through killings? Why cannot they grow biological material in their labs? Why do all governments cover up this perversity? How can aliens' 'secret missions' remain secret, if almost all World's countries are involved?

What we have in the video is just few men discussing few photos of questionable origin.

[GlennM]

Why do their spaceships need parking lights? At the distances involved, none of the LGM are going to be smelling too fresh! Another thought. True story. Once upon a time an adventurous woman decided she would live the Native life on one of the many Tahitian islands. She was welcomed and made a go of it for some months, but eventually returned to civilization because her health was failing. A rare disease? No, What then? Believe it or not it was vitamin deficiency.No, this did not happen last week!  The Tahitian Islander's metabolism has adapted over time to be more tolerant and efficient in that regard than hers. Nobody wants beri-beri, scurvy, or other illnesses brought on by a deficiency of vitamins and minerals. LGM metabolize too.They might suffer astro- berry and srarvy.  At the speed,of light it just takes 400 earth years to get from Proxima Centauri to outpost Earth. They had best be packing the jumbo economy size one a day vitamins!

Additionally, cattle do not like to be mutilated any more than we do. If you get put a cow in a bad mood, watch out! Their eyes get real big and they get very purposeful in where they want to go, as in right over your space suit. Hopefully not in Red!  Now, if all that is accounted for and the ray guns are chrged up, mutilating something means that LGM and those to be mutilated have their heads and tails in the same relative places. It would be a shame if LGM were not clear on the whole cephalization concept. We would have a tough time making heads or tails out of what they did.

[Ziljoe]

Caviar?

[sarapuk]

Well, on watching the Youtube video, I am not convinced at all that Aliens visit Earth to practice animal and human mutilations.

If they are so technology advanced, why do they need to steel animal and human organs through killings? Why cannot they grow biological material in their labs? Why do all governments cover up this perversity? How can aliens' 'secret missions' remain secret, if almost all World's countries are involved?

What we have in the video is just few men discussing few photos of questionable origin.

Obviously, this video is but one example that could be used. The point is that mutilations are happening, and they are mysterious. And there are similarities between animal and human mutilations.

[sarapuk]

Why do their spaceships need parking lights? At the distances involved, none of the LGM are going to be smelling too fresh! Another thought. True story. Once upon a time an adventurous woman decided she would live the Native life on one of the many Tahitian islands. She was welcomed and made a go of it for some months, but eventually returned to civilization because her health was failing. A rare disease? No, What then? Believe it or not it was vitamin deficiency.No, this did not happen last week!  The Tahitian Islander's metabolism has adapted over time to be more tolerant and efficient in that regard than hers. Nobody wants beri-beri, scurvy, or other illnesses brought on by a deficiency of vitamins and minerals. LGM metabolize too.They might suffer astro- berry and srarvy.  At the speed,of light it just takes 400 earth years to get from Proxima Centauri to outpost Earth. They had best be packing the jumbo economy size one a day vitamins!

Additionally, cattle do not like to be mutilated any more than we do. If you get put a cow in a bad mood, watch out! Their eyes get real big and they get very purposeful in where they want to go, as in right over your space suit. Hopefully not in Red!  Now, if all that is accounted for and the ray guns are chrged up, mutilating something means that LGM and those to be mutilated have their heads and tails in the same relative places. It would be a shame if LGM were not clear on the whole cephalization concept. We would have a tough time making heads or tails out of what they did.

You clearly ignore the facts and would prefer to waste time on other things.

[GlennM]

I know there is something called selective perception, or in simple terms, seeing what you want to see. No matter how broad minded we believe we are, everybody's world view is filtered by experience and belief. We also have a remarkably developed ability to invent answers. This is because we believe we are rational beings and every effect has a cause. In situations like the DPI and LGM mutilations, the effect is the presence of the deceased, so there must be a cause. This is where the filter comes in. In the end, an explanation can be valid in terms of means, motivation and opportunity because it is logical. It can also be unreliable and onjectively wrong. The Loch Ness monster was named because witnesses had the means to see it, they were motivated to see it and they siezed the opportunity to document it. Yet, there is no Loch Ness monster. 
So what? How does anyone avoid getting it wrong? There are some strategies that seem to work better than others. Occam's Razor is one. It is often reduced to the acronym KISS, or Keep It Simple S________ ( chose your own word). LGM is not a KISS solution, considering the cost of gas for those curvy, spinny things they travel in.

[sarapuk]

I know there is something called selective perception, or in simple terms, seeing what you want to see. No matter how broad minded we believe we are, everybody's world view is filtered by experience and belief. We also have a remarkably developed ability to invent answers. This is because we believe we are rational beings and every effect has a cause. In situations like the DPI and LGM mutilations, the effect is the presence of the deceased, so there must be a cause. This is where the filter comes in. In the end, an explanation can be valid in terms of means, motivation and opportunity because it is logical. It can also be unreliable and onjectively wrong. The Loch Ness monster was named because witnesses had the means to see it, they were motivated to see it and they siezed the opportunity to document it. Yet, there is no Loch Ness monster. 
So what? How does anyone avoid getting it wrong? There are some strategies that seem to work better than others. Occam's Razor is one. It is often reduced to the acronym KISS, or Keep It Simple S________ ( chose your own word). LGM is not a KISS solution, considering the cost of gas for those curvy, spinny things they travel in.

Phew. Thats a lot of words to explain what exactly? I'm only going by facts. Anyone can see that there are similarities between some animal mutilations and some human mutilations. And that's what we have with 2 of the Dyatlov bodies. I will try to dig up some more on this topic relevant to our Dyatlov mystery.

[GlennM]

Mutilation requires a mutilator. There are none.
A similarity is not a fact, it is an opinion. We all have them.

If LGM were to do mutilation, then they should go for teeth. Easy to carry.  Uncontaminated DNA in teeth.
If bad actors did mutilation, eyes and tongues make for poor food and worse souvenirs
Curious how dead animals wind up not having broken ribs like Lyda and zolo. The critters just fall over (cow tipping?

A dead goat  in the water next to Lyuda will show similar deterioration, yes?

I could be wrong...

[sarapuk]

Mutilation requires a mutilator. There are none.
A similarity is not a fact, it is an opinion. We all have them.

If LGM were to do mutilation, then they should go for teeth. Easy to carry.  Uncontaminated DNA in teeth.
If bad actors did mutilation, eyes and tongues make for poor food and worse souvenirs
Curious how dead animals wind up not having broken ribs like Lyda and zolo. The critters just fall over (cow tipping?

A dead goat  in the water next to Lyuda will show similar deterioration, yes?

I could be wrong...

You are still missing the point. As I said, I will be elaborating on this topic at some point.

[GlennM]

As I understand it, the point is that mutilation has and can happen. Mutilation is not restricted to acts upon the living. Dead remains can be disfigured. There is natural decay, there is burst carcasses, there is the animal savaging of remains and there are human crimes of passion. Let us not forget trauma inflicted by unknown compelling forces.

I accept it all, prefer natural decay and reject other explanations for the DP9. Why? All behavior is motivated. I have no evidence of motivated mutilation.

[sarapuk]

As I understand it, the point is that mutilation has and can happen. Mutilation is not restricted to acts upon the living. Dead remains can be disfigured. There is natural decay, there is burst carcasses, there is the animal savaging of remains and there are human crimes of passion. Let us not forget trauma inflicted by unknown compelling forces.

I accept it all, prefer natural decay and reject other explanations for the DP9. Why? All behavior is motivated. I have no evidence of motivated mutilation.

We have no evidence to prove what actually happened. Whether that is mutilations by Aliens, or something else. We have facts, and we do have evidence, but we have yet to put it all together to get the result that we all seek.

[GlennM]

There is also probability.

[sarapuk]

There is also probability.

You mean speculation!?

[GlennM]

one and the same. measured as greater or lesser

[ilahiyol]

I want to state that I have never believed in aliens and absolutely never will! There is not a single piece of evidence, not even a hint, in any religion, any school of thought, any civilization, or any culture that suggests the existence of aliens!!! I think we shouldn't believe it either. If an unknown force attacked the youth, that force is one that lives among us on Earth!!! It is definitely not a force from space! This force knows us very well, understands us very well, observes and hears us very well. It must know us better than we know ourselves. Because this attack was carried out consciously, planned, and in stages!!! This shows that the attacker is very intelligent, clever, patient, and fast. If there is no human element involved, which appears to be the case, then only demons or an unknown force could have done this to the youth. There is no other option besides these two.

[GlennM]

LGM travel 4.5 light years to outpost Earth.  They choose not to make contact but choose be seen. They have a taste for beef. They do not like hiker. Their spaceship has parking lights.You can't make this stuff up! Hilarious!

[sarapuk]

I want to state that I have never believed in aliens and absolutely never will! There is not a single piece of evidence, not even a hint, in any religion, any school of thought, any civilization, or any culture that suggests the existence of aliens!!! I think we shouldn't believe it either. If an unknown force attacked the youth, that force is one that lives among us on Earth!!! It is definitely not a force from space! This force knows us very well, understands us very well, observes and hears us very well. It must know us better than we know ourselves. Because this attack was carried out consciously, planned, and in stages!!! This shows that the attacker is very intelligent, clever, patient, and fast. If there is no human element involved, which appears to be the case, then only demons or an unknown force could have done this to the youth. There is no other option besides these two.

There is more and more evidence coming to light that shows that we are not alone in the Universe. Lots of evidence over the last 70 years or so as well.

[sarapuk]

LGM travel 4.5 light years to outpost Earth.  They choose not to make contact but choose be seen. They have a taste for beef. They do not like hiker. Their spaceship has parking lights.You can't make this stuff up! Hilarious!

Who said that aliens travel at the speed of light? How do you know they haven't made contact? What makes you think they eat beef? What makes you think they don't like hikers? Are you suggesting that their space vehicle is like a motor vehicle here on Earth? Think again.     

[Ziljoe]

Sarapuk.

Over here, here's your thread. Start putting your evidence in here instead of random comments and opinions. I look forward to reading them.

[GlennM]

Sarapuk,

Please provide evidence. Asking for s friend.