100 questions to Askinadzi

[GlennM]

In 1949, the Soviet Union developed a preliminary design for a missile submarine under the designation Project P-2 [pl], intended to strike land targets.[6] The design was developed by CKB-18 (later the Rubin Design Bureau). The submarine was projected to have a surface displacement of nearly 5,400 tons and to carry 12 R-1 missiles (Soviet versions of the V-2) and Lastochka cruise missiles.[7] However, the program encountered numerous issues that the designers could not overcome,[3] including, among others, problems with stabilizing the missile prior to launch.[8] In the early phase of developing sea-to-land missile systems, the Soviet Union regarded this kind of weapon solely as a tactical asset without strategic significance.[3]

[Teddy]

Kuzminov was a commander of the Ivdellag soldiers, who came for the 2nd search shift. He says he had a pistol, and fired it at the order of the camp's head (Ortuykov?). At first sight, it looks like a fake story, but there is another witness, who confirms that the soldiers saw a fireball approaching them and fled out of the tent. It is very strange that UPI students do not mention that incident. Maybe, Askinadzi has heard something? He had been in touch with Kuzminov for about 10 days at the Pass.

https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#55

https://dyatlovpass.com/askinadzi-100-questions#56

https://dyatlovpass.com/kuzminov-1999

[Senior Maldonado]

The answers are expected ones. If Askinadzi had known anything about fireballs and frightened soldiers, he would have told that already.

Askinadzi tends to map Kuzminov's story about fireball to March 31, when Sogrin, Potapov, and Avenburg saw a fireball's flight. I doubt very much that Kuzminov talks about that event. From his letter it is clear that he was not at the Pass with the 1st shift of Ivdellag soldiers. He refers to another soldier, Borey, when he talks about March events, which means he did not witness those events -- arrived to the Pass later.

The point is that helicopter's pilot Potyazhenko and his wife, who worked as a radio operator in Ivdel airport at that time, both separate two episodes with fireballs. They say that the episode described by Kuzminov occured later than Sogrin's episode, probably on 23rd or 24th of April. Three people talking about a fireball appearance later than March is enough to take it seriously.

[GlennM]

What I get out of this is on the one hand a group of army type people come out and see lights in the sky and then go back to sleep.Some guy with a gun gets to take a shot at it. Nothing comes from the effort. On the other hand nine hikers see the light, knife their tent to ribbons, stroll a mile in the snow and one by one die.

If there was a bit of cultural commonality in the 50's.Both Soviet East and the American West had a " thing" for aerial phenomena. Other than the big nuke, this may also tie into the literary genre of science fiction. Science Fiction tends to fall into two camps, Social Science Fiction and Travelogues. The former being political, the latter, escapism. In Social Science Fiction the devices and the LGM are symbolic elements, usually a veiled criticism of politics, governments and power drunk leadership.  Lights in the sky? Invasion? Big Brother? Alien contact? Mind control? It is symptomatic of societies developing far faater than any before. Uncertainty breeds fear, fear finds an outlet in fiction, people read the fiction and filter reality through it.

We are smarter than that in today's world. Not all of us though. It still sells tickets.

[Teddy]

No one fired anything. There was no panic. This is recounted in 1999, 40 years after the events.
In Taina.li where I took this from they don't even discuss it. Askinadzi was surprised that I am asking about it - isn't it obvious, he said, the guy is making stuff up.
On the two questions, did Askinadzi see fireballs, the answer is - no, did Kuzminov talk about firing his gun, the answer is - no, because Nikolay didn't have a gun.

[Senior Maldonado]

Teddy, thank you much for adding these two questions to the list and getting quick replies from Askinadzi!

Yes, majority of forum members would scream "Hura-a-a! No rockets!". But I believe this is not the end of the story. Askinadzi says his part as a witness, who cannot know everything. We will see what will be at the end, and I hope it will not take many years to wait.

[GlennM]

What I am seeing is more and more distractions developing from the main mystery. Only the diaries give first hand information as to the " why" of it all. They prove insufficient. Only the finders and the medical examiners can attest to the " where and how" of it all. They are imprecise as to location and material evidence. Medical examiners, while objective in examination are speculative in interpretation. Nurse Solter's testimony is suspect. Every thing else is opinion, filtered by individual perception.

The heart of the mystery for me, at least, is why those people did things that I would not do in the same circumstance. That makes me think I do not have all the facts. I am not alone. In the absence of facts, we seek and often accept second, third and fourth hand opinions.  They may be logical, but logic is not truth. They may be valid, but validity is not reliability. This is both a trap and a comfort. The trap is believing what you choose to believe. The comfort is exactly the same.

I admire Teddy and her group for going to the place and gathering facts. I know the area is not pristine. I know that each member of her expedition has an idea of what happened. They spent their money to prove themselves right.

The DPI is about self discovery more than historical revelations. But, the latter drives the former.

[Teddy]

I admire Teddy and her group for going to the place and gathering facts. I know the area is not pristine. I know that each member of her expedition has an idea of what happened. They spent their money to prove themselves right.

EXPEDITION 2006

If you read our objectives, I am staying by the Cedar, but everyone else will go further towards Otorten in search of rocket debris and craters. We are not just looking for something to substantiate a theory. We literally join forces to find the truth, or what's left of it. No one is discarding things that disprove their theory. We are happy to find ANYTHING.