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May 06, 2026, 07:27:10 AM
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amashilu

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I am sure someone on some forum (maybe even this one) has brought this up, but I don't recall reading anything about it.

High pressure blast waves can blow out the eyes, as well as break the ribs. If, for example, there was a high pressure blast wave and Lyuda and Zolo were positioned right in front of the blast and thus were hardest hit of the group members, this could explain both their rib injuries and their missing eyes.

AI notes damage to eyes:  "Globe Trauma (Eye Damage): Rupture of the eyeball or severe damage due to sudden compression."
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May 07, 2026, 02:04:13 AM
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Looking at the traumas of the Ravine-4 hikers, we cannot avoid concept of high-pressure blast wave, brought to the spotlight by Boris Vozrozhdenniy. What is important, regarding fractures of the ribs observed for Luda and Semeyon, as well as skull crack observed for Thibo, Vozrozhdenniy offers mechanism of indirect impact from the blast. It was not the wave itself that crushed the bones. The wave threw the hikers on the stones in the creek, and the bones were crushed by the stones. The wave acted as a moving door of a giant press, while the stones acted as another, immobile door.

It's also important that the blast was not of a classic type, which is explosion of a bomb or a shell. For the classic blast we have abrupt and strong airfront, which can tear arms and legs, eardrums, etc. Russians offer the following illustration of a classic blast:



The blast, we can imagine for DPI, was of another type - volumetric explosion. A huge volume of gas burnt high in the air. This type of blast is illustrated by different picture:



Wave's strike from that 2nd type of a blast is not that strong, but I believe it's strong enough to damage eyes, so they do not keep long in place.

Additionally, I want to point that all speculations that when the hikers approached the ravine after leaving the tent, the ravine was full of snow, and they started to dig a cave, are groundless. The position of the flooring they made in the ravine indicates that there was little snow there, which allowed them to use the ravine as a natural shelter -- a trench, like many others where Semeyon used to hide himself during the War.
 
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May 07, 2026, 04:40:50 AM
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Additionally, I want to point that all speculations that when the hikers approached the ravine after leaving the tent, the ravine was full of snow, and they started to dig a cave, are groundless. The position of the flooring they made in the ravine indicates that there was little snow there, which allowed them to use the ravine as a natural shelter -- a trench, like many others where Semeyon used to hide himself during the War.

Yes, it has long been a point of confusion how they managed to "dig" the den without tools, so this makes sense.

Also, I appreciate your looking to Semyon's war experience to explain some of the evidence; I have wondered many times why this is so ignored.
 

May 08, 2026, 02:24:28 PM
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I am sure someone on some forum (maybe even this one) has brought this up, but I don't recall reading anything about it.

High pressure blast waves can blow out the eyes, as well as break the ribs. If, for example, there was a high pressure blast wave and Lyuda and Zolo were positioned right in front of the blast and thus were hardest hit of the group members, this could explain both their rib injuries and their missing eyes.

AI notes damage to eyes:  "Globe Trauma (Eye Damage): Rupture of the eyeball or severe damage due to sudden compression."

Are you familiar with what happens to people caught in a severe blast, as the sort you are suggesting? They lose their head and sometimes their arms and legs. The injuries are not conducive to such a blast. 

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May 09, 2026, 10:46:49 AM
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Kolevatov, Zolotov and Dubinina had blunt force trauma type injuries. There was nothing in the area that pointed to a proximity blast. There were no boulders or cobbles mentioned. No blasted branches, no metal schrapnel. Nothing to suggest a proximity detonation. The remark about the eyes being sucked out of the head or popped within the head should occur in all R4 victims. A blast of that magnitude would flatten and denude trees. That didn't get reported. Being in a depression in the ground affords some protection. Nothing reported says the R4 nor IRZ were thrown.

The streambed was relarively shallow. The snow crust covering the R4 was thin. The snow cover at the mat much thicker. Nobody reported the snow above the mat appeared to be dug into. Ski pants and a sweater were laying about.but not used.

The R4 group may well have found or made a branch mat, but they were surely elsewhere when trouble happened. From,what we know, the cedar had fallen branches capable of making skull injuries. If Zolo and Lyuda were under the Yuris, or vice versa, chest injuries might happen from a fall from height. They might have crawled back to the mat but neve got to itr . Lyuda seems headed that way, the others just stretched out. Perhaps they could not get to the mat owing to a snow pile.

Seems odd to me that they move from a fire to a streambed. Sheltering from,wind or having,something to lean on seems reasonable, just not THAT reasonable. Another whole line of speculation would be threm getting hurt on the way from tent to cedar, but didnt get farther than the ravine two falling,forward, one backward, one not affected.
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May 11, 2026, 02:10:46 AM
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Kolevatov, Zolotov and Dubinina had blunt force trauma type injuries.
Probably, Thibo, Zolotarev, and Dubinina are meant here, as those three had their bones crushed.

There was nothing in the area that pointed to a proximity blast.
Probabaly, Lev Ivanov would not have agreed. On seeing young trees touched by fire at the edge of the forest, he started looking for an epicenter of explosion. He failed to find one, which allowed his later fantasy of a targeted radioactive ray.

no metal schrapnel
It is hard to expect metal schrapnel, when a cloud of gas detonates, isn't it?

A blast of that magnitude would flatten and denude trees.
If I remember correctly, the Cedar tree was denuded a little bit. Some branches were broken at considerable height, where the hikers had no need to climb. Also, Teddy found a fallen tree and proved that it fell in 1959. And I have gut feeling that was not the only fallen tree in the area.

Nothing reported says the R4 nor IRZ were thrown.
Except Boris Vozrozhdenniy statement during his interrogation:
"Such an injury could have occurred if Thibo was thrown by a strong gust of wind, causing him to fall and hit his head on rocks, ice, etc. ... the nature of the injuries in Dubinina and Zolotarev is multiple rib fractures ... were caused by a significant force, similar to the force used on Thibo."
 

May 11, 2026, 03:40:04 AM
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Ivanov would probably disagree with your conclusion.

Ivanov
„However, there were no traces of the explosion wave, Maslennikov and I carefully examined this.“

He followed different lead.
 

May 11, 2026, 04:59:14 AM
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SM This could be a case of smoke and mirrors. I notice that the response to my post was selective. The reply was based on second hand and heresay speculation. I find that  what couldn't be explained were ignored.
SU makes a valid point
Too it is curious that teams of locals, military and university students comb an area repeatedly and nobody says, a blast happened here. Nobody says a blast caused an avalanche, a tree fall, a cave in. No blast related mass disturbances.
The R4 group looked like they were napping, not ragdolls.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 11, 2026, 06:20:49 AM
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Rockets and explosions are a dead end and a waste of time. Ivanov took a different path, for which he had one piece of evidence after another.
 

May 11, 2026, 06:28:32 AM
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Strikes me as odd that that the bad guys are going to let the good guys autopsy the victims in order to raise suspicions that the bad guys did their dirty deeds. Then again, nobody expects the bad guys to be bright bulbs. The victims were, though. Accident, yes. Incident, not so much.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 11, 2026, 06:33:14 AM
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Ivanov would probably disagree with your conclusion.
Exactly. The problem of Ivanov was that he had not come to a solid conclusion on what had happened. He was informed by Urakov that the cause of DPI was an accident during some hi-tech test sponsored by the goverment. But Urakov did not share any details. Thus Ivanov was dangling between plasmoids and blasters with no clear preference.

SM This could be a case of smoke and mirrors. I notice that the response to my post was selective. The reply was based on second hand and heresay speculation. I find that  what couldn't be explained were ignored.
It's a pity I have missed your main point... Could you please advise what is you prime statement (conclusion, observation) on the topic, and I will comment on that (if you allow me to do that, of course).

Rockets and explosions are a dead end and a waste of time. Ivanov took a different path, for which he had one piece of evidence after another.
As Vozrozhdenniy talked about shock wave, and Ivanov found traces of a beta emitter on hikers' clothes, I am ready to 'waste' a little of my time investigating these options. However, if you have another, convincing explanation of DPI, I will be more than happy to listen.
 

May 11, 2026, 08:38:50 AM
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Do you think Ivanov didn't come to a solid conclusion? But he knew everything, he knew all the circumstances. The only problem was that he couldn't publish it.

„I am the only one left who knows the true circumstances of this tragedy. The circumstances are in my notes.“


In short
8 pairs of footprints – 3 didn’t make it into the forest – 2 on a tree – 4 in a ravine

From this and many other pieces of evidence, Ivanov concluded murder and accident.


For him and Vozrozhdenniy, the case was routine, nothing extraordinary.

„For him, this is an ordinary matter, as it was for me.“


The „radiation“ was targeted, like everything else in DPI. But there was no explosion.

I think Askinadzi would also confirm this to you. He was there as a searcher.

I recommend watching this video and this thread. Maybe you will find the answers there.

https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=2032.msg29646#msg29646
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May 11, 2026, 10:02:52 AM
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I recommend watching this video and this thread. Maybe you will find the answers there.
This is Borisov's show on the 1st channel, I have seen it. Sad performance... One will not find required answers there. They invited Sogrin, Brusnitsin, Askinadzi, Karelin was online remotely. But instead of letting these witnesses to speak and listen to them, the showman pushed forward the only idea -- Zolotarev was a stranger in the group, he killed everybody and disappeared. And there was not even a hint why Zolotarev had decided to kill 8 young boys and girls.

I tend to believe to Ivanov, who wrote in 1990s:
"It was a routine case. It wasn't even about a murder, but an accident."
"I don't understand your version of a murder by some soldiers. I don't get it. What soldiers, who killed whom? First of all, there were no soldiers at that time, and secondly, they don't have any external injuries indicating an attack or anything like that. What kind of murder by soldiers are you talking about?"
 

May 11, 2026, 10:37:59 AM
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Yes, the soldiers didn't kill anyone, nor were they there at the time. Nevertheless, a motivated killing took place there.

Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people. I know all the details of this incident“
 

May 11, 2026, 11:11:27 AM
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Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people. I know all the details of this incident“
This Ivanov's statement is self-contradictory. 'Someone' always has a name, a surname, a rank, a motive, etc. If Ivanov could not point to the particular 'someone', it means he did not know the details. Or maybe, by 'details' he means high-level understanding of the cause.
 

May 11, 2026, 11:24:55 AM
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Yes, it is the problem with a third hand understanding of a second hand interpretation of an event for which there were no first person witnesses. We dance, he danced, curiosity calls the tune.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 11, 2026, 12:15:24 PM
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I don't have a problem with names. I can read.
 

May 11, 2026, 03:08:55 PM
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In the May thaw layer where the trousers, fir tips, pine needles and den flooring were found, there were no other debris at all — no broken branches, no twigs, no bark, no clothing scraps, no signs of outsiders, and nothing consistent with a blast or struggle. If any violent event had happened in that area, the same snow horizon would contain additional disturbance, but it doesn’t. The only material in that layer belongs to the hikers themselves.

On Ivanov — a lot of what gets quoted today isn’t from 1959. His official statements at the time were clear: no crime, no external injuries, environmental cause. The later dramatic lines come from 1989–1993 media interviews, and those were heavily shaped by glasnost‑era journalism, selective quoting, and in some cases outright artistic licence. Even the famous ‘I know all the details’ line is inconsistent with his other statements from the same period.

And there’s a logical problem: if he truly ‘knew everything’ and believed there was a cover‑up, then he had already crossed the line by implying it publicly — so why not just say what it was? He never did. And no one else ever came forward either: not soldiers, not rocket personnel, not investigators, not Mansi, not anyone who would have been involved in a clean‑up or a weapons test. There’s simply nothing there.

On the eye injuries — the other two in the ravine also had shrunken or missing eyes, and all four showed clear signs of decomposition around the eye sockets and scalp. These are normal post‑mortem changes in bodies exposed to water, thawing, insects and scavengers. There’s nothing selective or surgical about it; it’s the same process affecting all of them to different degrees.
 

May 11, 2026, 11:24:29 PM
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DPI is about understanding. If you don't understand DPI, you can't see behind the curtain and understand Ivanov.

Let's start with the fact that 8 sets of footprints were found.

Tempalov's statement – ​​sheet 312

„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations. I did not find a ninth track, it was simply not there. I photographed the tracks.“

The ninth one who left no footprints was the one you wouldn't think of because he had no injuries. So why were his footprints missing? This is the key point from which everything else depends.

Above all, don't say that Tempalov was wrong. He wasn't wrong. The position and location of the ninth man's body clearly confirm his words.
 

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If you don't understand DPI, you can't see behind the curtain and understand Ivanov.
It is very hard to understand Ivanov, when he announces one thing, but in a few moments says just the opposite. When he talks about punishing the hikers and shooting at them from a ray gun, it means murder. But right after that he says that DPI was an ordinary case and not about murder, but about an accident. The same is with fireballs. From Ivanov's article we can see that he can accept that the fireballs were plasmoids, while a few paragraphs later he speculates that the fireballs could have been piloted, and people or aliens could have been inside.

Anyway, I am keen to know your theory. My understanding is that you have identified an infiltrator within the group, who murdered all the others. This means 1 against 8, and Zolotarev is the only candidate for the murderer's role. All others were friends and had known each other for a long time. Do you accuse Zolotarev or is there another suspect?
 

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You don't understand Ivanov because he doesn't speak in direct language. This is understandable from his position. Once you understand his style of speech, only then can you perceive him correctly.

It's best if everyone understands it for themselves. Because if you start explaining it to someone and they don't see it, they'll immediately deny Ivanov's words.

He revealed more suspects. You have to read between the lines, he doesn't say it directly. If you have a keen eye, you'll figure it out. But it's hard.

https://dyatlovpass.com/ivanov-2?rbid=18461

and

https://dyatlovpass.com/lev-ivanov
 

Today at 04:22:29 AM
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@SURI

It's pretty useless to read Ivanov's revelations again and again. What I can see from his article " Mystery of the Fireballs", Ivanov gives his apologies to the relatives of Dubinina, Thibo, and Zolotarev. That removes these three from the list of suspects. Then Ivanov says that men at the Cedar tree took care about their dead friends and moved their bodies to the ravine. That removes two Yuris from the list too. Kolevatov obviously can be removed as well, since most probably his body was moved by Yuris as well. It's hard to imagine that after killing everybody Kolevatov decided to embrace corpse of Zolotarev and freeze to death. So, we are left with IRZ.

Is that your theory? IRZ killed everybody, got tired, and did not manage to return to the tent, correct?
 

Today at 05:12:19 AM
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No, it's not like that. You've drawn the wrong conclusion. Ivanov is really not easy to understand.
 

Today at 05:35:21 AM
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SURI, You are always welcome to propose your view of DPI.  I suggest you open a separate topic for that in the "Murdered" section, and we will come to your topic to have a friendly discussion. Otherwise, it might take very long to understand what you are hinting at. Of course, it's fully up to you whether to start the discussion or not.

My reading of Ivanov's articles is:
- DPI was an accident;
- fireballs had direct relation to DPI;
- regional CPSU leaders pushed him to close the case before getting to the root cause;
- he knows in general what happened in reality, and it was not natural calamity.

Besides what Ivanov says, it is also very important what he does not say. And he has never said "a rocket".