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May 12, 2026, 02:47:38 PM
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GlennM


We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 12, 2026, 03:14:42 PM
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Ziljoe


@senior

Can you supply the link and date for this letter and supply the written translation in English ?

 
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May 12, 2026, 11:09:40 PM
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The original information about Kuzminov's letter to the newspaper can be found at this link:
https://taina.li/forum/index.php?msg=2071

The whole text is available there, it should not be an issue to translate it online.

Ivanov, Karelin, Sogrin, Kuzminov - all of them seem to be UFO obsessed, aren't they? I even don't mention Korotaev, who openly said "a rocket had flown the wrong location".
 
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May 13, 2026, 12:26:44 AM
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Thank you, I was having problems with the links last night. Adverts kept popping up.

I'm not sure that they are UFO obsessed but rather perhaps getting some kind of reward for sharing their story. The papers and TV programs that air the stories also did, forteian times, paranormal programs too. The spawning of these stories all came out with various books of UFOs for example , no different than the explosion in the west. ( I bought a few) . Oddly enough , whilst searching another story came up from 1993 in Russia, it was allegedly about soldiers shooting at a UFO and the aliens attacked back turning 20 or so soldiers into limestone. Even the CIA followed the story. ( The mind boggles)

I don't think they would approach such a non professional form of publishing if they were serious about their claims ?.

I would have thought everyone would be saying in their statements that some idiot was shooting a gun in the middle of the night and there was a bright light in the sky , also, they had cameras and many minutes to try and take a photo of what they saw. The story doesn't add up but that might be memory as is suggested.

Personally , with everything I can find, it looks like there were lights in the sky, but there always is and these were reported by too many people not to be one persons imagination but it's either tests or nature in the sky.

Here's the alleged CIA version below, it's got to be a joke...

C00386418

*** Document 199 of 54 FBIS

T.ME/BANKI.OIL

DOCN 000103001

CLAS UNCLAS 3A/PHU

SERIAL NUMBER: AU3003152893

PASS PASS:

ATTH BBC SD

COUN COUNTRY: RUSSIA INTERNATIONAL

SUBJ SUBJ:

PAPER REPORTS ALLEGED EVIDENCE ON MISHAP INVOLVING UFO

SOUR SOURCE: KIEV HOLOS UKRAYINY IN UKRAINIAN 27 MAR 93 P 5

TEXT TEXT:

//((REPRINT FROM THE NEWSPAPER TERNOPIL VECHIRNIY: REVENGE FIRST PARAGRAPH PUBLISHED IN BOLDFACE)) "COSMIC

((TEXT)) AFTER MIKHAIL GORBACHEV DISSOLVED, IN 1991, THE KGB TOP SECRET INTELLIGENCE ADMINISTRATION, A LOT OF MATERIAL FROM THAT DEPARTMENT FOUND THEIR WAY ABROAD, IN PARTICULAR TO THE CIA, AS REPORTED BY THE AUTHORITATIVE MAGAZINE CANADIAN WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, *U.S. INTELLIGENCE OBTAINED A 250-PAGE FILE ON THE ATTACK BY A UFO ON A MILITARY UNIT IN SIBERIA.

THE FILE CONTAINS NOT ONLY MANY DOCUMENTARY PHOTOGRAPHS AND DRAWINGS, BUT ALSO TESTIMONIES BY ACTUAL PARTICIPANTS IN THE EVENTS. ONE OF THE CIA REPRESENTATIVES REFERRED TO THIS CASE AS "A HORRIFIC *PICTURE OF REVENGE ON THE PART OF EXTRATERRESTRIAL CREATURES, A PICTURE THAT MAKES ONE'S BLOOD FREEZE."

ACCORDING TO THE KGB MATERIALS, A QUITE LOW-FLYING SPACESHIP IN THE SHAPE OF A SAUCER APPEARED ABOVE A MILITARY UNIT THAT WAS CONDUCTING ROUTINE TRAINING MANEUVERS. FOR UNKNOWN REASONS, SOMEBODY UNEXPECTEDLY LAUNCHED A SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILE AND HIT THE UFO. IT FELL TO EARTH NOT FAR AWAY, AND FIVE SHORT HUMANOIDS WITH "LARGE HEADS AND LARGE BLACK EYES" EMERGED FROM IT.

IT IS STATED IN THE TESTIMONIES BY THE TWO SOLDIERS WHO REMAINED ALIVE THAT, AFTER FREEING THEMSELVES FROM THE DEBRIS, THE ALIENS CAME CLOSE TOGETHER AND THEN "MERGED INTO A SINGLE OBJECT THAT ACQUIRED A SPHERICAL SHAPE." THAT OBJECT BEGAN TO BUZZ AND HISS SHARPLY, AND THEN BECAME BRILLIANT WHITE. IN A FEW SECONDS, THE SPHERES GREW MUCH BIGGER AND EXPLODED BY FLARING UP WITH AN EXTREMELY BRIGHT LIGHT. AT THAT VERY INSTANT, 23 SOLDIERS WHO HAD WATCHED THE PHENOMENON TURNED INTO... STONE POLES. ONLY TWO SOLDIERS WHO STOOD IN THE SHADE AND WERE LESS EXPOSED TO THE LUMINOUS EXPLOSION SURVIVED.

THE KGB REPORT GOES ON TO SAY THAT THE REMAINS OF THE UFO AND THE "PETRIFIED SOLDIERS" WERE TRANSFERRED TO A SECRET SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTION NEAR MOSCOW. SPECIALISTS ASSUME THAT A SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT IS STILL UNKNOWN TO EARTHLINGS INSTANTLY CHANGED THE STRUCTURE OF THE SOLDIERS' LIVING ORGANISMS, HAVING TRANSFORMED IT INTO A SUBSTANCE WHOSE MOLECULAR COMPOSITION IS NO DIFFERENT FROM THAT OF LIMESTONE.

A CIA REPRESENTATIVE STATED: "IF THE KGB FILE CORRESPONDS TO REALITY, THIS IS AN EXTREMELY MENACING CASE. THE ALIENS POSSESS SUCH WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT GO BEYOND ALL OUR ASSUMPTIONS.

THEY CAN STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES IF ATTACKED. (ENDALL) BT 23003.03 27 MAR

#0317

30/15292 MAR

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May 13, 2026, 02:40:23 AM
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SURI


Kuzminov describes the same thing as Ivanov. Each one speaks in their own style of speaking about the same thing. But they are not literal fireballs. Balls cannot rewrite diaries.
 
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May 13, 2026, 07:10:07 AM
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SURI


There's no point in chasing fireballs, Ivanov clearly ruled them out. He used them only to illustrate what happened. But many take it literally.

Ivanov
„Older people may recall what it was like: just recently launched an artificial Earth satellite, it announced trials of atomic and then hydrogen weapons (as it was called then), and many associated these mysterious phenomena, including unidentified flying objects with military tests, but investigative actions indicated that the case of Dyatlov group had nothing to do with military tests.“
 
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May 13, 2026, 08:51:33 AM
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There's no point in chasing fireballs, Ivanov clearly ruled them out.
Do these Ivanov's words mean that fireballs are to be ruled out?  nea1

"And again about the fireballs. They were and still are. It is only necessary not to hush up their appearance, but to deeply understand their nature. The vast majority of the witnesses that I met talk about the peaceful nature of their behavior, but, as you see, there are also tragic exceptions. Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people. I know all the details of this incident and I can say that only those who were in these balls know about these circumstances more than me."

It sounds like Ivanov calls to investigate fireball's nature and even try to catch and interrogate their pilots. Also he openly accuses fireballs (or their operators) of killing the hikers, see it?
 

May 13, 2026, 10:22:14 AM
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SURI


It sounds like Ivanov calls to investigate fireball's nature and even try to catch and interrogate their pilots. Also he openly accuses fireballs (or their operators) of killing the hikers, see it?

I understand that. I know who Ivanov is accusing, but it's not fireballs. Soldiers or rockets are not related to the case. Ivanov makes that very clear.
 
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May 13, 2026, 10:52:52 AM
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I know who Ivanov is accusing, but it's not fireballs. Soldiers or rockets are not related to the case. Ivanov makes that very clear.
The point is that we should focus on the autopsy reports, which are available in the case files. Especially, on the reports for Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo, who had severe and strange injuries. Their 3 reports are augmented by doctor Vozrozhdenniy's interrogation, where he suggests 3 options for traumatic force:
- strong gust of wind throwing people on rocks;
- automobile at high speed;
- blast air wave.
What is important, each of these forces is dozens times stronger than a human being can develop. Even a group of people combining their efforts cannot develop such a force. And if we look closer at these 3 forces, they all work almost the same way: a victim and a 'force' meet at high speed, the victim gets traumas contacting with vast 'strike area' of the 'force'. It has nothing in common with combat mechanics when people fight. The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.
 
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May 13, 2026, 11:15:33 AM
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On the other hand, a locomotive travelling at 1 MPH can inflict massive disfiguring damage to a stationary object. They need not be blasted. They could be crushed.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 13, 2026, 12:08:42 PM
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SURI


You have to consider other circumstances than just the autopsy reports. According to Ivanov, a crime occurred and he had irrefutable evidence to prove it. You're still missing a lot.
 
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May 13, 2026, 12:46:52 PM
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SURI


What is targeted killing but murder? And since no one else was there, murder and an accident. And it starts with 8 sets of footprints.
 
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May 13, 2026, 03:27:42 PM
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GlennM


We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 13, 2026, 09:50:33 PM
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SURI


All behavior is motivated.

Can't you read?

Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people.“
 

May 14, 2026, 01:20:01 AM
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Ivanov
„Someone needed to frighten or punish people, or show their strength, and they did this, killing three people.“
Take it easy, it is about nothing. Ivanov blames everybody for everything. In the case files' closing statement he blames Dyatlov that he made many mistakes which resulted in loss of the group. According to Ivanov, Gordo, Kurochkin, Siunov are also 'absolutely guilty' . Then Eshtokin and Kirilenko are blamed that they hampered the investigation, probably covering up somebody or something. And finally, to complete the picture, Ivanov accuses unnamed humans or humanoids that they perfomed targeted attack on the hikers.

You will not derive anything useful from that.
 

May 14, 2026, 03:00:08 AM
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SURI


You guessed two names and then you're missing five more. It's better to understand the case than to guess.
 

May 14, 2026, 06:21:16 AM
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SURI


Ivanov mentioned 2 main actors, 1 penultimate point and 4 newspaper issues. You have to understand that in his position he could not speak directly.
 

May 14, 2026, 06:36:05 AM
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GlennM


I fail to see how time mitigates Ivanov's personal risk.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2026, 01:23:23 PM by GlennM »
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 17, 2026, 08:50:56 AM
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The truth is not always pleasant, which is why there was a cover-up. When something was not allowed to be said, it simply could not be said. But Ivanov managed it and tactically named those he needed to name, including the penultimate point. You can easily fill in the unsaid names in three steps.
 

May 17, 2026, 04:44:30 PM
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Rockets and explosions are a dead end and a waste of time. Ivanov took a different path, for which he had one piece of evidence after another.

Yes, it appears that way. Yet so many investigators keep harping on about rockets and explosions. There is absolutely no evidence of any rockets or explosions being involved in this case.
DB
 

May 17, 2026, 04:49:28 PM
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sarapuk

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Do you think Ivanov didn't come to a solid conclusion? But he knew everything, he knew all the circumstances. The only problem was that he couldn't publish it.
I recommend watching this video and this thread. Maybe you will find the answers there.
https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=2032.msg29646#msg29646

Ivanov certainly talked after the USSR collapsed. And by the way, the video has been removed from YouTube.
DB
 

May 17, 2026, 04:59:34 PM
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Let's start with the fact that 8 sets of footprints were found.
Tempalov's statement – ​​sheet 312
„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations.

Interesting, isn't it? That is what Tempalov says. So, if correct, who was the one person missing, male or female? And how could this be? How on Earth can a ninth person disappear from the tent site?
DB
 

May 17, 2026, 05:25:01 PM
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No, it's not like that. You've drawn the wrong conclusion. Ivanov is really not easy to understand.

Ivanov is definitely one of, if not the most important person, regarding our attempts to understand what may have happened. There should be no doubt that an unknown force was at work. The question then should become whether that force was of an alien nature. I use the word alien to represent a force from outside of our Earthly existence. We should not rule out the possibility of such forces being within our Earthly existence.   
DB
 

May 17, 2026, 05:43:50 PM
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 The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.

Well, it appears to be the case that at least 2 members of the group were victims of a directed unknown force. Other victims may result from such force, but indirectly.   
DB
 

May 17, 2026, 07:20:16 PM
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Admin , can someone please address sarapuk and his  use of quoting and editing of previous posts. I know we all make the errors but the threads become gobbledygook for anyone following them in the future .


 The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.

Well, it appears to be the case that at least 2 members of the group were victims of a directed unknown force. Other victims may result from such force, but indirectly.


Sarapuk, please preview your posts as it looks like other members are saying what you are saying. , I don't know if your addressing suri in this post ?
 
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May 18, 2026, 12:03:30 AM
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Let's start with the fact that 8 sets of footprints were found.
Tempalov's statement – ​​sheet 312
„Below the tent 50-60 m from us on the slope, I found 8 sets of footprints of people that were carefully examined, but they were deformed due to winds and temperature fluctuations.

Interesting, isn't it? That is what Tempalov says. So, if correct, who was the one person missing, male or female? And how could this be? How on Earth can a ninth person disappear from the tent site?

It was a male. He became the first snowman.
 

May 18, 2026, 06:55:23 AM
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All this is digression. Skin and eye loss were natural decay accelerated by water immersion. The chest injuries suggest that they were thrown against something, or the opposite. That force did not produce similar injuries in all. It is reasonable to think that the damage was sustained where they were found. It is arguable that they  were moving to or from the mat, when they were affected. It is arguable that there were no additional companions around to move them to the branch mat, prop them up and otherwise nurse them through their agony.

For those who insist on a detonation, I suggest widening your Google Map search of the area and report on what you feel are the scars upon the land that reinforce your theory.
We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 18, 2026, 09:36:52 AM
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For those who insist on a detonation, I suggest widening your Google Map search of the area and report on what you feel are the scars upon the land that reinforce your theory.
Explosions can be of different nature and differnt strength. Not all explosions leave ruins, burnt trees, and bodies torn to parts. If air wave front pressure is not high, the environment might keep almost intact.


 

May 18, 2026, 12:15:57 PM
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sarapuk

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Admin , can someone please address sarapuk and his  use of quoting and editing of previous posts. I know we all make the errors but the threads become gobbledygook for anyone following them in the future .


 The force which killed Dubinina, Zolotarev, and Thibo was not human.

Well, it appears to be the case that at least 2 members of the group were victims of a directed unknown force. Other victims may result from such force, but indirectly.


Sarapuk, please preview your posts as it looks like other members are saying what you are saying. , I don't know if your addressing suri in this post ?

Sorry, Ziljoe, the English language was my worst subject at school. I will attempt rectification.

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May 18, 2026, 02:01:48 PM
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Sorry, Ziljoe, the English language was my worst subject at school. I will attempt rectification.

Your English is fine. That's wasn't what I was meaning. It's the editing of the reply post. For some reason your posting your post in the previous person's post so it looks like other people are saying what is actually your post. I too, am poor at English and failed miserably. It's just if you preview your post you can spot the error and put the correct coding in for the end of the quote . I hope that makes sense.