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May 18, 2026, 02:41:10 PM
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Ziljoe


@senior. I don't think that chart is comparable . There's lots of details missing in the autopsies from a blast wave. The rib fractures are consistent with a compression not a blast?.
 

May 18, 2026, 03:24:45 PM
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Ziljoe


Minute‑by‑Minute Reconstruction of the Ravine Four (Plausible Sequence Based on Avalanche Medicine & Autopsy Evidence)

Below is a medically realistic timeline of what likely happened to the ravine four after a snow‑den or cornice collapse. 
It’s not speculation about “mystery forces” — it’s simply what the injuries and physiology point to.

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0–1 minutes: The collapse
- A section of the snow roof or cornice gives way. 
- Heavy blocks of snow/ice fall into the den or ravine. 
- One block or edge strikes Thibeaux‑Brignolle’s head → single massive skull fracture. 
- Others land on the upper bodies of Dubinina, Zolotaryov, and Kolevatov → initial inward‑bending rib fractures. 
- They are not fully buried; air pockets remain.

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1–5 minutes: Pinned but alive
- They are conscious, shocked, and trying to orient themselves. 
- Breathing is already restricted because the chest wall is compressed. 
- The heart is still pumping strongly → bleeding begins immediately around the fractures. 
- No external abrasions because the load is snow, not a hard impact surface.

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5–15 minutes: Hypoxia and hypothermia accelerate
- Snow settles and compacts, increasing chest pressure. 
- Breathing becomes shallow and laboured. 
- Oxygen levels fall → hypoxia. 
- They were already cold; now immobilised in snow, heat loss accelerates. 
- Core temperature drops into the low 30s°C. 
- Clotting begins to fail → cold‑induced coagulopathy starts.

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15–30 minutes: The “lethal triad” sets in
- Breathing is severely restricted; chest expansion is minimal. 
- Consciousness fades in and out. 
- Physiology deteriorates into the trauma “lethal triad”: 
  - hypothermia 
  - acidosis (from low oxygen) 
  - coagulopathy (clotting failure) 
- Internal bleeding becomes massive because the body can no longer clot. 
- This is when the autopsy‑level haemorrhage is being created.

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30–60 minutes: Irreversible decline
- Breathing becomes agonal or stops entirely. 
- They are unconscious or unresponsive. 
- The heart continues beating weakly for part of this window → 
  enough to keep pumping blood into damaged tissues, explaining the extensive haemorrhage. 
- Death occurs from a combination of: 
  - asphyxia (chest cannot expand) 
  - hypothermia 
  - internal bleeding

This is not instant suffocation — it is a slow, multi‑factor decline.

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1–3 hours after death: Post‑mortem settling
- Bodies remain pinned in the same compressed positions. 
- Snow continues to settle and compact around them. 
- Over the following weeks, more snow falls, compresses, and gradually lowers them into the stream channel.

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February → May: Freeze–thaw and meltwater
- Meltwater eventually begins to flow around and under the bodies. 
- Soft tissue (eyes, mouth, etc.) is lost post‑mortem due to water action and small scavengers. 
- By the time searchers arrive in May, the ravine has opened up and the bodies appear to be “in the stream bed” — 
  but this is the result of months of settling and melt, not their original position on 1 February.

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Why this timeline fits the evidence
- Inward rib fractures → slow compression, not blast or fall. 
- Massive internal bleeding → they were alive long enough to bleed. 
- No external trauma → snow load, not impact or shrapnel. 
- Skull fracture → single blunt impact from a falling block, not a pressure wave. 
- Final position in the stream bed → natural settling + meltwater, not an impact onto bare rock. 
- Cold‑induced coagulopathy → explains why the injuries look “severe” without requiring extreme force.
 

May 18, 2026, 06:18:54 PM
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GlennM


We don't have to say everything that comes into our head.
 

May 18, 2026, 11:10:38 PM
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Senior Maldonado


There's lots of details missing in the autopsies from a blast wave.
Of course. What are you expecting from the autopsy reports that were produced by Lev Ivanov at Sverdlovsk Prosecutor's office? The reports for Dubinina, Zolotarev, Thibo, and Kolevatov were printed on the same typewriter, on which Ivanov printed Closing statement for the criminal case. AI doesn't tell you about that, does it? To rely on AI advices is even worse than to rely on the tale, which case files tell you. The autopsy reports do not have a single attribute that suggests they had ever been at the Sverdlovsk medical lab. The reports are confirmed only with Vozrozhdenniy's signature on their last pages, the rest of the pages is just plain text not authorised in any way.

The rib fractures are consistent with a compression not a blast.
The ribs and the skull fractures are consistent with the traumatic mechanism suggested by Vozrozhdenniy - strong gust of wind throwing people on the rocks.

Strong gust of wind = blast air wave
Rocks = rocks at the bottom of the creek polished by water

All three affected hikes lie on their traumas exactly.