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Author Topic: The Anatomy of a Collapse: Resolving the Dyatlov Pass Ravine injuries  (Read 6888 times)

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September 22, 2026, 12:51:57 PM
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Another point about Lyudmila’s injuries that doesn’t get much attention is the bilateral fracture of the hyoid bone horns. It’s a small detail in the autopsy, but it’s actually one of the most informative injuries in the whole case. The hyoid is buried deep in the throat, protected by the jaw, the tongue base, and thick muscle. It doesn’t break easily, and when it does, it usually tells us something very specific about the forces involved.

Now, because she was in running water for eight weeks, we can’t rely on bruising or soft‑tissue colour to determine peri‑mortem hemorrhage. Water washes out small hemorrhages completely. So the absence of visible bruising doesn’t mean the injury wasn’t peri‑mortem — it just means the soft tissue was too degraded to show it. In cases like this, the bone is the reliable witness.

The important part is the fracture pattern. Breaking both hyoid horns is rare. Manual strangulation usually breaks one side, and it leaves other structural damage in the neck that wasn’t recorded. What does break both horns is forced hyperextension — the kind that happens when the torso is fixed and the head is driven backward under load.

This ties into her chest injuries. Lyudmila had  bilateral rib fractures and massive internal bleeding. That kind of chest compression effectively locks the upper torso in place. Once the chest is pinned, the neck becomes the hinge point. If the head is forced backward while the torso can’t move, the suprahyoid and infrahyoid muscles tighten like cables. Under sudden tension, the hyoid horns snap. This exact mechanism is documented in crush‑asphyxia cases, avalanche entrapments, diving accidents, and even in severe hyperextension whiplash ,not the mild kind, but the extreme type where the torso is fixed and the head snaps back.

hyoid fractures can occur in whip lash, but only in the same posture that would occur in a collapse: torso fixed, head forced backward, neck taking the load. It’s the same biomechanics. Interestingly the tongue becomes lose and can protrude.

At discovery her head was flexed forward, resting on her hands, but bodies often shift position after the initial trauma ,during the struggle for air, as muscle tone fades, as snow melts, or simply through decomposition. The injury posture and the final posture don’t have to match.

The chain is;

Chest compression → torso fixed → head driven backward → neck hyperextension → hyoid horns fracture → tongue loses anchoring → exposed soft tissue removed by water.

It’s another mechanical sequence that fits her injuries . It’s also one of the strongest anatomical indicators of further forces sustained by the torso.
 
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September 23, 2026, 04:20:43 PM
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Ziljoe, I think this observation regarding the hyoid deserves a new thread.mitnwill get buried here and lost.
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October 18, 2026, 10:54:27 PM
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The recommendations of suitable locations to build a snow cave . From the manuals for tourists.

 

October 18, 2026, 11:33:12 PM
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I believe these are the exact instructions that Dyatlov and the group followed. This is following later instruction manual from mid 70s .

"A serious emergency situation: a group gets lost in bad weather, loses their skis, and descends to the edge of the forest. The forest, with its ability to start a fire, offers salvation to the struggling tourist group. The leader or experienced hikers must quell panic and motivate the group to take action (after all, hunters and taiga dwellers spend the night in the forest without tents in winter). Therefore, they should head deeper into the forest to find a lull from the wind. The strongest go ahead to dig a trench in the snow. An exhausted comrade should not be left to rest (they won't survive); everyone must stick together. Having chosen a site for an emergency camp with plenty of dead wood, the group decides where to start a fire. If an axe and saw are unavailable, a spot with plenty of thin deadwood or large trees with dry lower branches that can be broken off by hand is chosen. Two or three people gather firewood for the night, while the rest dig a hole to the ground. Snow from the pit is carried up in backpacks and windbreakers, the bottom of the pit is lined with spruce branches, the top is partially covered with branches, and then a fire is lit. The group warms up and settles down for the night.

If the snow cover is shallow or the ground is open, the chosen spot under large trees is cleared of snow to the ground, a shelter or windbreak is built, firewood is stored for the night, and a fire is lit. Everyone warms up and dries their clothes. Dinner is prepared. If there is no bucket, water for tea is boiled in mugs or tin cans. In the morning, when the weather improves, the group follows their tracks upward, above the tree line, determines their location, and reaches the abandoned skis. If bad weather persists, depending on specific conditions and available information, they make their way to the hunter's road or ski track, which they use to reach the hut, etc".
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October 19, 2026, 04:14:02 AM
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Ziljoe, in your opinion, how did the ravine collapse occur—before or after the looting of the clothing? And how do you explain the absence of injuries on Kolevatov, given that he was found embracing Zolotaryov?
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October 19, 2026, 04:40:20 AM
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I'm a bit indecisive about the chronology of the clothing or swapping. As I progress with this I have found that those who are to dig a snow hole are to be the better dressed and it would seem that the roles are rotated. For example , the Yuris may have started digging with others , then retreated to the fire, and dried clothing whilst others took a jumper or footwear.

Obviously that doesn't answer every question but it is formulating towards recommendations.

The absence of injuries being the same as Zolo are due to the weight distribution and what lies below the bodies. It might suggest he was at the edge of the mass.

In ideal controlled situations, or at least with more equipment the instructions are thus.

"After stopping, the leader shows where to put the backpacks and assigns each participant's responsibilities for digging the cave. Everyone puts on warm clothes, zips up their jackets, and tightens their hoods to prevent snow from getting under their clothes while they work. They take all the tools they need for the upcoming work out of their backpacks: hacksaws, shovels, and a two-handed saw. If they lack tools, they can use pots and axes."

"To build a cave more quickly, it's important to plan and organize the upcoming work based on the specific conditions and available tools. After all, each person in the group needs to remove approximately one cubic meter of snow.

Cave digging should be done across a broad front to allow as many people as possible to participate simultaneously. Therefore, in a group of, say, eight people, three or four should dig, two or three people (depending on the cave's layout) should shovel out the excavated snow, and the rest should prepare snow bricks to form the cave's front wall. Snow bricks or blocks should be 25-40 cm wide, of any uniform height, and of any length.

The most productive work is achieved when one or two people make horizontal and vertical cuts with hacksaws, followed by two people chipping away chunks of snow with shovels. In soft snow, a good tool for digging a cave is a two-handed saw that bends into an arc and acts as a scraper.

The cave cavity should be arched, allowing one to stand upright in the center. There should be no corners in the cave's roof. This will protect the cave from collapse under any adverse conditions: thin ceiling, low-density snow, etc.
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I say again, this is advice to build a snow hole under different conditions but it aligns with what we see at the ravine and cedar , all these actions are what the group would have been taught , or at least the more experienced of the group.
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