Unfortunately I have passed this theme earlier, but I want to tell that have very correctly made beanie07 when it has started to systematise questions and to define sequence of actions. Only it is necessary to do it methodically then it is possible to receive a good picture of this incident. Also it is necessary to filter all assumptions and guesses through the filter of practice and conditions of a concrete place. And to consider similar conditions. Only then it will be possible to promote in understanding of that has
I have this proposition regarding the sequence of events:
1. As Zolotaryov and Thibeaux were best dressed (the only 2 with boots), they were probably outside of the tent just before the fateful event occurred
It is one of possible events. There is one more assumption: they were people on duty. Their problem was what to make all works outside of tent if they be required. From practice of similar travel at that time I can tell that they should settle down in tent with edge, therefore they have been dressed better other people. And if they have to get out operatively outside they and did not remove footwear. Probability this both situations is equal 50 %.
2. "Something" (unknown) then compelled the entire group to exit the tent hastily
It should be investigated in other theme. That it is a lot of these in section ….
3. The group decided to head for the forest away from this "something"
If this tell more precisely, the group has hastily left this place downhill and in a wind direction. All it well coincides. They did not have a possibility (and time!) on what acceptance that of decisions, therefore they did not take the most necessary that it was necessary for them for this purpose what to survive below. It is necessary to add that the difference in time between the first left tent and the last was very small. It follows from this that anybody from them did not take any necessary thing which could is further than length of a hand.
4. At the forest, attempts to create fire was done and the climbing of tree was also done (perhaps to check on that "something's" location around the tent)
On a tree there was an ascension only because there there was unique fire wood suitable for kindling. It is necessary to add what to see from a tree it was very difficult, therefore they hardly had it in a kind. The arrangement of the broken branches of a tree is that that it is the unique party on which they could get on a tree. This cedar has an inclination aside opposite from a direction on tent. It so has coincided in the nature. Therefore to think that they got on a tree so what to look at tent not is correctly. There practically it is visible nothing even in the afternoon. Especially if to understand that could not know an exact place where there is a tent. It is not possible completely at night.
5. As both Yuri's were least equipped for the cold outside, they succumbed to the cold and perished
Jura 1 and Jura 2 have come on this place dressed just as the group most part. From them then who that has taken off clothes and has transferred to a flooring. I have the well-founded assumption that it there could be only Alexander Kolevatov. It also has laid both of them behind a cedar as it is visible on a photo …
6. The remaining group (all 7 of them) then took the clothing from both Yuris and decided to move deeper into the forest and build a shelter (because their current location offered no protection from the cold) and it wasn't safe yet to return to the tent
1.There are no signs or the facts that the fire had who that another, except Jura 1 + 2 and one more person who their section and has laid Jura.
2.Any refuge there it was impossible to construct. For this purpose there are no conditions.
3.Any refuge in the presence of clothes in which all of them have been found them could not rescue. The powerful source of heat - a fire was necessary to them. Is better them it was necessary to have two - from the different parties, differently it should to turn constantly, and it was almost impossible, because it is difficult.
4.Come back to tent they could not, it is impossible, because they did not know, where it precisely is. It is still very important that above on a slope there was a wind it towards, therefore they could not see tent further than for 3 … 5 metrs (10 … 15 foots). To find tent with such accuracy it is impossible in their conditions. It is all occurred at night (in a night-time).
7. After the den was built, it was also when a "2nd something" (also unknown) occurred.
It is not necessary to think out superfluous events. If people have appeared in such clothes in such conditions the bad outcome is a question of duration of time. At to = -20C (-4F) and temperature of a surface of a body (on the average) to = +22С (71F) deficiency of heat makes approximately 350 … 400 Watt. To compensate such losses it is possible only a hard work, but it is impossible to make long time. The natural (metabolic) thermal emission in rest makes 50 … 70 Watt, it is required to fill the rest in the form of physical activity. Their clothes at большей make group parts 1 CLO on a thermal protection. And for this purpose that it would be possible not to move at such temperature of air it is required approximately 4 … 5 CLO.
8. This "2nd something" was responsible for all the injuries sustained by the 7 (fractured ribs, skulls, deformed neck etc and possibly even accounting for evidence of some fighting)
All traumas have been received by way of blow at falling. I already wrote earlier that at me article (in Russian) about these traumas and possible places where they have received them is written. While I cannot make transfer (for technical reasons). Therefore I asked whom that to try to translate by Google and to note those places which it is necessary to translate more professionally, and what places can be excluded. Then I would make other part of work, so quickly as soon as it will be possible.
For reception of these traumas in conditions in which there was Dyatlov group on an slop "2nd something" is not required any additional.
9. The group of 3 (Slobodin, Igor, Zina) managed to escape and they decided to head back to the tent (regardless of the initial dangers posed by the "1st something")
There are no facts and substantiations what to consider that «Group 3 (Slobodin, Igor, Zina)» came back to tent. Even if not to consider that it is technically impossible. On the contrary, the set of subjects at Zina and Rustem says that at a fire they were not. There are 50 % of probability that Igor could descend to a fire, but it too only the assumption. As there are no facts and acknowledgement to it. Otherwise they already would use these subjects or would transfer to another at whom they were not. Besides, their clothes do not correspond to that they were going to go there. The disorder of people on a slope as says that it not returning, but only a way to a fire. That trauma which is at Rustem would not allow it to pass more than 30 … 50 metres (30 … 150 foots) from that place where it has received it.
10. The group of 4 (Dubinina, Kolevatov, Thibeaux, Zoloraryov) didn't make it from their injuries, while the group of 3 succumbed to the cold on their way back to the tent.
The group 4 (Dubinina, Kolevatov, Thibeaux, Zolotaryov) in general operated separately from the others. Nothing specifies that they as that contacted the others. Till that time when Alexander Kolevatov descended to a fire and has brought a part of things to a flooring. At this time the others could not move any more as they were already strongly wounded.
In «group 3» too all very much reminds that they operated everyone separately. Who could not that of the others to leave without the aid of Rustem, for example. Or they could not leave Zina.
Most of the sequences put forward says the group split up after both Yuri's died, but it doesn't seem to explain why the group would split up, or also why there were injuries found on Igor and Slobodin.
It is quite possible to explain a trauma of Rustem Slobodin. As it is found directly there where it is very easy for receiving. And Igor had so insignificant wounds that they are characteristic for such travel. Especially if go on such slope in the dark.
The detail about Igor and Kolevatov being found with their jackets unfastened could be that they were in a slightly relaxed condition at the den until the "2nd something" occurred suddenly.
It is not so. Igor has lost possibility to go when there has come fatigue strength at intensive movement. If it moved quickly and hard (the big level of a thermal emission) he has not had time to clasp that it, for the present there were forces for this purpose. All is very similar to such course of events.
Alexander Kolevatov should transfer people with traumas in a fire direction, therefore too it had a hard work. Therefore not clasped jacket is not what that an especial sign in such situation.
Ps: Did I miss anything?
Unfortunately has passed very many. It is all there are details (a lot of small and average), but they are very important for understanding of sequence of events.
Later I will try to write about them in detail
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