Carbon 14 is a beta emitter and occurs naturally

[Nigel Evans]

LEV IVANOV. Competent or incompetent. Genuine or false. Cover up or no cover up. And this is just Lev Ivanov's part in this MYSTERY. Like I have said, he needs his own section in this Forum.

Quite agree, we need less of "Gravity fluctuation / Teleportation - it's highly technical but possible" (rolls eyes) and more on Lev Ivanov's interview which imo is the key event to be considered.

[Nigel Evans]

Aha!

The story so far...
Carbon 14 would be a good explanation for the detected radiation except for (as pointed out by Ryan), it is a weak emitter of beta below the threshold of the detectors.
But according to - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14 it can be detected if volumes are high enough. The G-M detectors probably operating at 3% efficiency.
If there was a lot of C14 there it could be an explanation for the tests.
So i hear you thinking, how does a peak in the Urals get much higher than normal levels of C14?
Because if a proportion of atmospheric C14 is ionised (somehow) and the peak has the reverse charge then it will collect.
Back to electro magnetism?

[Star man]

Aha!

The story so far...
Carbon 14 would be a good explanation for the detected radiation except for (as pointed out by Ryan), it is a weak emitter of beta below the threshold of the detectors.
But according to - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14 it can be detected if volumes are high enough. The G-M detectors probably operating at 3% efficiency.
If there was a lot of C14 there it could be an explanation for the tests.
So i hear you thinking, how does a peak in the Urals get much higher than normal levels of C14?
Because if a proportion of atmospheric C14 is ionised (somehow) and the peak has the reverse charge then it will collect.
Back to electro magnetism?

If it was carbon 14 then it may be higher there because there is more cosmic radiation being closer to the pole and cosmic rays convert nitrogen into carbon 14.

Still doesn’t sound like a likely contaminant though.

[Nigel Evans]

Aha!

The story so far...
Carbon 14 would be a good explanation for the detected radiation except for (as pointed out by Ryan), it is a weak emitter of beta below the threshold of the detectors.
But according to - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14 it can be detected if volumes are high enough. The G-M detectors probably operating at 3% efficiency.
If there was a lot of C14 there it could be an explanation for the tests.
So i hear you thinking, how does a peak in the Urals get much higher than normal levels of C14?
Because if a proportion of atmospheric C14 is ionised (somehow) and the peak has the reverse charge then it will collect.
Back to electro magnetism?

If it was carbon 14 then it may be higher there because there is more cosmic radiation being closer to the pole and cosmic rays convert nitrogen into carbon 14.

Still doesn’t sound like a likely contaminant though.

Well using the 3% efficiency figure you would need 30 times the number of decays of C14 compared to say strontium?

So some possible sources :-During the 50s and 60s the concentration of C14 doubled due to atomic tests most of them atmospheric. 1958 being the second biggest ever  - https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nucleartesttally
Lightning produces gamma rays that could possibly imitate cosmic rays? One of the sources for the no2/nitric acid could have been electrical discharge. Semyon's photos are (asserted by me) to be of strong electro magnetic energy.
Snow storms create ionisation via mechanical collision. Some of this could be C14.

[Star man]

Carbon 14 could be derived from Historical tests yes, but not from lightning.  You need neutrons rather than gamma rays.

Lightning could generate some NO2.

Regards
Star man

[Nigel Evans]

Carbon 14 could be derived from Historical tests yes, but not from lightning.  You need neutrons rather than gamma rays.

Lightning could generate some NO2.

Regards
Star man

But where do the neutrons come from?  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/11/lightning-can-trigger-nuclear-reactions-creating-rare-atomic-isotopes

[Star man]

Carbon 14 could be derived from Historical tests yes, but not from lightning.  You need neutrons rather than gamma rays.

Lightning could generate some NO2.

Regards
Star man

But where do the neutrons come from?  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/11/lightning-can-trigger-nuclear-reactions-creating-rare-atomic-isotopes

Never heard of that before.  Interesting.  Still it's unlikely candidate for Dpi contamination, given what Ryan has said.

[Nigel Evans]

Carbon 14 could be derived from Historical tests yes, but not from lightning.  You need neutrons rather than gamma rays.

Lightning could generate some NO2.

Regards
Star man

But where do the neutrons come from?  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/11/lightning-can-trigger-nuclear-reactions-creating-rare-atomic-isotopes

Never heard of that before.  Interesting.  Still it's unlikely candidate for Dpi contamination, given what Ryan has said.

Yes but I'm challenging this in post #92? Particularly wrt ionised isotopes.

[sarapuk]

Aha!

The story so far...
Carbon 14 would be a good explanation for the detected radiation except for (as pointed out by Ryan), it is a weak emitter of beta below the threshold of the detectors.
But according to - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-14 it can be detected if volumes are high enough. The G-M detectors probably operating at 3% efficiency.
If there was a lot of C14 there it could be an explanation for the tests.
So i hear you thinking, how does a peak in the Urals get much higher than normal levels of C14?
Because if a proportion of atmospheric C14 is ionised (somehow) and the peak has the reverse charge then it will collect.
Back to electro magnetism?

Yes back to Electro Magnetism and therefore maybe an Electrical phenomenon for the reason that the Geiger Counters went crazy. 

[sarapuk]

Carbon 14 could be derived from Historical tests yes, but not from lightning.  You need neutrons rather than gamma rays.

Lightning could generate some NO2.

Regards
Star man

But where do the neutrons come from?  https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/11/lightning-can-trigger-nuclear-reactions-creating-rare-atomic-isotopes

Never heard of that before.  Interesting.  Still it's unlikely candidate for Dpi contamination, given what Ryan has said.

Because its only scientists carrying out observations. And apparently the results of said observations didnt exactly set the scientific World alight so to speak, or even cause small ripples in the scientific community. Why ? Werent the observations finding that the Particles didnt exist for long ? And therefore how can that be of use to any investigation that we are concerned with !

[Nigel Evans]

Because its only scientists carrying out observations. And apparently the results of said observations didnt exactly set the scientific World alight so to speak, or even cause small ripples in the scientific community. Why ? Werent the observations finding that the Particles didnt exist for long ? And therefore how can that be of use to any investigation that we are concerned with !

C14 has a half life of several thousand years?

[Star man]

Because its only scientists carrying out observations. And apparently the results of said observations didnt exactly set the scientific World alight so to speak, or even cause small ripples in the scientific community. Why ? Werent the observations finding that the Particles didnt exist for long ? And therefore how can that be of use to any investigation that we are concerned with !

C14 has a half life of several thousand years?

Yes.  It's about 5700 years.

[sarapuk]

Because its only scientists carrying out observations. And apparently the results of said observations didnt exactly set the scientific World alight so to speak, or even cause small ripples in the scientific community. Why ? Werent the observations finding that the Particles didnt exist for long ? And therefore how can that be of use to any investigation that we are concerned with !

C14 has a half life of several thousand years?

Well the Particles I have seen mentioned were not around for more than a few seconds at most  !  ?  Some just Milliseconds.

[Ryan]

I’m revising a few of my thoughts…

I still maintain that C-14 can’t be the beta emitter. Not enough energy to be detected by their Geiger counters.

Regarding K-40, I did some new math, and I now believe that if the Sverdlovsk lab only had Geiger counters for gamma measurements, then if all all the beta on the clothing was due to K-40, the lab would be incapable of measuring the associated gamma emission, so the only dose above background that they could report with statistical significance would be beta. Gamma would not be detected because their gamma detection capabilities are nowhere near as sensitive as their beta detection capabilities.

I don’t believe naturally occurring K in soil could accumulate and contaminate the clothing with enough K-40 to account for the amount in the report.

But if, say, the 1079 theory is correct, the bodies of the Ravine 4 were discovered, moved, and, let’s say, intentionally covered with a potassium rich chemical like potash or potassium chloride to melt the ice so they could be more easily identified, and then they were staged in the ravine to be rediscovered months later by Ivanov’s group, then I believe that would be consistent with the radiological report.