Hello everyone ,
I am an old member of the facebook group, but this is my first time writting here. I decided to finally write here and exacrly in this topoc,because this is where I have a personal experience. And when I first read about Dyatlov Pass and tried to compare it to my own experience my first thought was that extreme cold could cause panick in a way they really could have abandon their tent. But let me explain I support the theory only about hy they have left thw tent. Ravine 4 are really a mistery. But..... If we assume their body damages are POST mortem then they are not...
I will not write more about Dyatlov group. I will try to present my experience in similar situations and also only the experience of when me and my friends were in our early 20s.
My father is a mountaineer and I was on ski since the age of 3. The mountain near my home city is not very high (2025m) ,but is famous for its bad weather, and the said strong downhill winds. Let's say I have been there every weekend from December til May for more then 20 years.
These winds are strong,yes. And by strong I mean they are possible to turn you on the ground. In that said mountain there are even cases of turned trees ,but very rare. The point is I familiar with their sound,strength ,coldness etc...
Interesting story. I can understand how the cold can make your arms and hands useless. I have experienced a much more simple situation that was not life threatening. I was skiing and forgot toput my gloves on which were clipped together on my jacket. I got onto a chair lift and by the time I got to the top I couldn't use my hands to unclip my gloves.
Let me ask. When you did leave the tent what did you take with you? Did you put any outer clothes on? Did you carry your shoes? Did you slip your feet into your shoes without fastening them?
In the Dpi there is evidence that they left in areal hurry. Slobodin did manage to put one boot on, but not the other. Some of the group were better dressed - Semyon and Kolevatov. They could have helped the others to put on their warm clothing.
They were able to use matches to light a fire, and they were able to cut fir tree branches with a knife. They could climb trees and they could use a flashlight.
It doesn't seem like they were all suffering numb fingers and hands.
Regards
Star man
You are absolutely right. It would be impossible to hold and press a fire stick and produce fire with numb fingers. You can hold it,but it would be impossible to apply the pressure needed to fire it... That's the miatery about this case - nothing fits all. But,yeah,they were more people. And the not so frozen ones could have helped and dress the others.... This what never fits with the tent. In any situation natural they would have definetely took their clothes and shoes. Dead matches prove that therr were people with working limbs among them....
But let me answer your questions :
. When you did leave the tent what did you take with you?
We were asleep for about 2-3 hours, and when we woke in panick with humb limbs it was a little bit past 12 am. Very important and different fact from DPI,is that we KNEW that there is hut with people nearby, so knowing this we took nothing. My ID and money were in my inner pocket . Telephone was next to my head so I took it and managed to put it in my outher pocket. But I am sure that even without hut nearby in that state I wouldn't bother to think about other valuables . But I would have thought of getting at least a little bread in my other pocket or raw bars (food) . Very important to preserve your body temperature longer. So here it is another oddity. If they were leaving the tent due to freezing and wind why not try to take at least a little food that searchers said was spread all over. Or maybe they have taken food with them,that's why the bread crusts and other left overs messed in the tent??? Is that possible?
Did you put any outer clothes on?
We were sleeping with almost all clothes on,only jackets were off in a pile and shoes off too. We took our jackets, hats and face masks. Skishoes are from hard plastic and not able to walk in them. Our "indoor" shoes were just normal city boots , UGG type, so you could say similar to valenki . They seem so easy to put on, but when when your fingers can't hold the end so you could push your foot in them ,this was a task impossible. We left them. But again we knew there is hut. If therr wasn't I am almost sure that I would have try even with my teeth to put those shoes on or at least take them somehow with me,maybe the way Rustem was wearing his insoles,by putting them under my clothes ....but I really don't know if this was possible. Couls only imagine it in situation in wilderness....
Did you carry your shoes?
Hah, already answered. No, because we couldn't use hands to put them on our feet. But in inhabited area would at least take them somehow
Did you slip your feet into your shoes without fastening them?
They were UGG type ,valenki type,so no laces which made them.harder to put with no way of widening the foot entrance .
Whole situation was very far from DPI, but I just wanted to give as an example how easy you could be in panick no matter that you are familiar with the area and how much you know in theory and from previous experience. And how you could overestimate weather and personal strenght. Because almost everyone implies "Dyatlov group were experienced"... Yes, but not immortal, and still humans with psychological reaction like panick,stress, dizziness from cold and tiredness. So, yes, it is very likely the made a mistake. Maybe they wanted to prove themselves by sleeping on an open slope. I remember this desire for proving yourself and others how tough and brave you are when you are in your early 20s. Now and then young people share same traits and foolishness. We have to admit that.
But everything else after the escape of the tent doesn't fit at all.... Everything else screams "murder" to me. Why? By who? How? .... If natural cause, then why all the inconsistencies in the investigation - wrong dates, slopy authopsies with missing words (Dubinina after hyoid bone xxxxx ) , testimonies that differ from each other, missing radiograms from the day Patrushev said he had seen two bodies next to tent, his very soon death after few years, etc,etc.....
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