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Lyndasez:
‪No route book‬
‪’Interrogation of the witness Korolev VI‬
After approval, Dyatlov filled 3 copies. protocol, of which 1 copy. he gave the commission, 2 nd copy. - handed over to the city committee for physical culture and sports comrade Ufimtsev, from which he received a route book, and the third copy of the protocol and a copy of the route book Diatlov had to transfer to the sports club UPI and on the basis of these documents he had the right to receive equipment and money. As it turned out later, Dyatlov did not transfer these documents to UPI, and the Chairman of the UPI Gordo Sports Club, without these documents, allowed to receive equipment and money.
Without a protocol and a copy of the route book, Gordo could not control the movement of the group.’

WAB:

--- Quote from: Lyndasez on October 16, 2017, 11:08:02 AM ---‪No route book‬
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Without a protocol and a copy of the route book, Gordo could not control the movement of the group.’

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Dear Lyndasez let's all place in to places ….

If we speak about route maps, they of any relation to those papers which Dyatlov has not given to university UPI *, has no. Because it is different subjects.

At copies of documents there is not enough information that it would be possible to influence somehow management to team at route. It is the usual help information. Where they have gone (without details), how many the person, dates started and the terminations, what is universaty which organizer this travel. Transfer of this document should confirm the fact of the official beginning of action.

About travel Dyatlov`s route knew in club of travellers UPI all the same. Because it was planned earlier. Therefore he could get equipment and money earlier all the same.

Details of a Dyatlov`s route knew in supervisory commission of travellers by city (Sverdlovsk) - Maslennikov, Korolev, Karelin - for example. It`s learn details of travel and it was simple to find maps.

Maps (if it is possible so to name it), and to be exact schemes of a Dyatlov`s route, were to him at route together.

Manage movement and acts of team could nobody, except Dyatlov. Because it is very far from any points of residing of people and transport ways. There where walk Dyatlov1s team to the nearest settlement (where lived Mansi) there were more than 80 km (~ 50 mi). To that place where it is possible to move on a motor vehicle more than 150 km (~ 95 mi)

Function Gordo (as official representative UPI), was what to note the beginning and the end of this travel. The termination date should is confirmed by the telegram from settlement Vizhaj. However the telegram could be late for technical reasons. Therefore at once there has not been begun anxiety about it group. Especially if to consider that the group from Vizhaj to Sverdlovsk could not reach earlier than for 2 days.

As a result it turns out that all claims to Dyatlov that it has not transferred a paper. It are simply formal.
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*)Ural institute polytechnical – in Russian – УПИ or UPI – in Roman alphabet

Jean Daniel Reuss:


--- Quote from: WAB on April 02, 2018, 02:17:27 PM ---
--- Quote from: Lyndasez on October 16, 2017, 11:08:02 AM ---?No route book?
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Without a protocol and a copy of the route book, Gordo could not control the movement of the group.’

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At copies of documents there is not enough information that it would be possible to influence somehow management to team at route. It is the usual help information. Where they have gone (without details), how many the person, dates started and the terminations, what is universaty which organizer this travel. Transfer of this document should confirm the fact of the official beginning of action.
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Details of a Dyatlov`s route knew in supervisory commission of travellers by city (Sverdlovsk) - Maslennikov, Korolyov, Karelin - for example. It`s learn details of travel and it was simple to find maps.

Maps (if it is possible so to name it), and to be exact schemes of a Dyatlov`s route, were to him at route together.

Manage movement and acts of team could nobody, except Dyatlov. Because it is very far from any points of residing of people and transport ways. There where walk Dyatlov1s team to the nearest settlement (where lived Mansi) there were more than 80 km (~ 50 mi). To that place where it is possible to move on a motor vehicle more than 150 km (~ 95 mi)
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In my hypothesis N°2, I suppose that there was an attack (cf. Eduard Tumanov, Per Inge Oestermoen...) and that the attackers departed from Settlement 41. Also I notice that :

   1 - Maslennikov, Korolyov and Karelin had all three read and approved the Dyatlov`s route.

   2 - In Dubinina's diary it is written, for the date of January 26:
In general, we had to go to 2nd North, but it was getting dark and we decided to stop at the 41st. At 4.30 we were met very hospitably....
In this context, the exact meaning of "in general we had to go" is not very clear. However, this is a detail that is not insignificant.

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•  It can therefore be assumed that Maslennikov, Korolyov and Karelin had planned that hikers would pass close to Settlement 41 without stopping and continue on to 2nd North.


In the abandoned houses of 2nd North, the hikers met no one else (except for Uncle Slava who returned to Settlement 41 with Yuri Yudin on January 28, 1953).

 •  In Settlement 41 the hikers stayed 23 hours and 30 minutes and met a large number of "local workers" or loggers".


 
There were the 12 guys seen in that picture and a lot of others.
  «...there are no women at all, except two. The guys are all young, as Igor noticed...»
 «...No order whatsoever, but people are everywhere....»
«...Loggers are working poorly, work and life conditions are bad. Are they paying poorly? Strike....»
   «...The workers are very different....»
«...But there are widely erudite and even If you meet them in the city, you would never have thought that this person all his time in the taiga....»
«...Until 1953, they threw in jail everybody that they could catch, innocent, then they figured it out and cleaned up, everybody was given rushed amnesty...»

 •  In other words, in 1959, some ex-zeks who had nowhere else to go, were living in Vizhay and in the numerous special settlements in the surroundings.
So there were certainly a number of men in the Settlement 41 who had  numerous good reasons to hate the communism, the oppressive Russians and the criminal Soviets.

 •  On the other hand the Dyatlov group were certainly loyal Soviet citizens. They were not suspected of anything. They were ideologically well-represented by Dubinina.
So Aleks Kandr and Sabine Lechtenfeld wrote :
"...Dubinina was also a very forthright and outspoken girl who held strong opinions. Her enthusiasm could be summed in a phrase she used from time to time : "for the Motherland  For Stalin ! It was said to her that she would not hesitate to tell someone staight to their face if she thought they were wrong in any way.

This is in complete agreement with the opinion of Arhipov Oleg Nikolaevich (Author of a monograph on forensic experts in the Dyatlov case): "Well, it is known that Lyudmila Aleksandra Dubinina was sharp on the tongue and principled. She would not keep her mouth shut.".

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