Here's a video of a Proton M launch "going wrong". The ProtonM began in 1965 so not directly relevant to the DPI but there are a couple of relevant points.- What seems to happen here is that the hydrazine supply is faulty, but note the unspent nitric acid (orange smoke).
- As it goes faster it is structurally weak wrt lateral forces from sideways atmospheric drag and the top section breaks away. note the similarity to the plane 2 photo.
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/781937554034589386/
Just for entertainment here's another vid of some Mig29s playing, ah. Getting a bit close to the ground there guys...
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/652036852282561846/
You will notice too that the nitric acid vaporises and disperses as it exhausts under pressure and the whole thing becomes a fire ball when it breaks up.
Regards
Star man
Disperse does not mean go away.
But it would more likely be a finely divided and diluted aerosol.
To get sprayed with fuel the rocket would need to crash nearby the tent spraying fuel everywhere and we see no burning of the tent.
Regards
Star man
Hi, Star man.
If you don't mind, I'll insert my 2 cents, or ,
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1. Thank you, Nigel Evans, for illustrating the Proton accident! Here are two things that may be important to discuss:...
A) orange color - accident of one (of six!) engine - complete or partial failure of the pump supply of the fuel itself (UDMH; 1,1-dimethylhydrazine or Heptyl - H2NN(CH3)2), which means the supply of only one oxidizer, which is nitrogen tetraoxide or N2O4.
B) this results in an asymmetrical rocket twist and an accident in the launch phase. This is about 2 ... 10 km (1.5 ... 6 mi) from the launch complex.
C) I want to pay attention to how the missile breaks down at the end of the flight: First, the head unit with the upper block at the junction with the first and second stages is separated, and then the stages # 1 & 2 themselves break down.
This is a consequence of the high level of Coriollis acceleration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force) and on the basis of the Nikolai Zhukovsky Rule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Zhukovsky_(scientist) ). (who for some reason is my distant relative... :) ).
I wrote about this destruction a long time ago, when I said that a rocket cannot bend at a large angle without damaging its structure. It was in contrast to the claims that ... "the rocket accidentally deviated from its course and flew to the Dyatlov Pass ...". That can't be because the missile's trajectories were calculated in other directions.
Therefore, one may not consider the missile accident as the cause of the events at the Dyatlov Pass because there are no signs of it. Besides, there is no evidence that there was a launch that could have led to a hit there. R-7 missiles that could have flown at the available real range were launched in a completely different direction (from Kazakhstan to Kamchatka), while there were no other missiles that had the right range at the time.
PS. I don't understand at all: what does talking about missiles have to do with "Is this a record of Yuri K limping”?
I'll raise the stakes....
(Just keep in mind "we, here in Russia, people are poor - according to your media information" - we do not have such money :). We have everything measured in kilograms! That's £2.5 :) ).
That's the kind of money I was talking about.
Hi WAB.
Ok coriolis and aerodynamic forces perhaps. 
It's not only possible, it's even more than a fact - it was fully...
PS. I don't understand at all: what does talking about missiles have to do with "Is this a record of Yuri K limping”?It's about reverse engineering the problem, starting at the end result and asking what could cause this?
It's okay. Unless there are empty conversations without taking into account the real facts... I mean, the complete absence of these "reverse engineering problems" and the works associated with them. Conversations – it were, and facts exist = 0.
The various injuries and apparent sickness are an extremely good fit for hydrazine - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrazine - "Hydrazine exposure can cause skin irritation/contact dermatitis and burning, irritation to the eyes/nose/throat, nausea/vomiting, shortness of breath, pulmonary edema, headache, dizziness, central nervous system depression, lethargy, temporary blindness, seizures and coma.".
That's good, but why talk about something that wasn't available at the time. Rockets with Heptyl fuel and nitrogen-containing oxidizing agents
started to be used only 1.5 years later. And the time machine wasn't invented until now. :)
In particular - Zinaida was found with her face covered in blood and the morgue photos show the sores that caused that. How else could she have got these other than from some chemical agent?
Ooh! Dear Nigel Evans, why are you changing concepts? She had a moderate amount of blood near her face. That's easy to get if you stumble on how many surfaces at night. The conditions there were more than anything.
By the way, there are no signs of chemical exposure in the photos and the doctor did not mark even the smallest signs in the protocol.
Toboganning head first using her face as brake? Igor had vomited and was bleeding from his ears and mouth?
It could have been very easy there. I can only explain it very clearly to you standing on that very slope in winter. I won't even have to tell you anything. You'll see everything very clearly for yourself.
YuriD's pulmonary edema is a fit although hypothermia is another of course.
Why are you saying things that aren't on the court physician's report? It's either inaccurate translations or just fantasies on a loose subject. Yuri Doroshenko's gray substance is only the result of the melted snow in his mouth when he was lying in the forest, when it was transported to Ivdel city, and when this snow melted. This is often the case with bodies that were found under the snow. Like those who were caught in an avalanche. I've seen it several times in other similar searches. There's no need for any pulmonary edema. Although with the frost that was during the events and the intense work it could be exact. But there's no such indication in the report. There's no need to speculate for a doctor, you can't see it in front of you.
And then we come on to YuriK's burns and in particular his charred toe. How is it possible to carbonise just one side of just one toe?
Have you ever lost the sensitivity of your fingers, like your hands, for a long time in a severe frost? Especially if it was a borderline condition near frostbite? I've seen it many times during my winter journeys and I've never seen it myself. My hands can't feel anything (my legs can't feel either). I saw a lady taking a bucket by the arc, which was heated up very strongly, but I didn't feel a strong burn while carrying this bucket 2...3 meters (that's about 10 feet), while traveling on the Kola Peninsula in the next group. Only then did she feel the burn. It was already a third-degree burn. There were blisters and a slight necrosis of the surface tissue. But she was in a normal state of mind, she didn't have a cloudy state of consciousness, which Georgy Krivonishchenko must have had. They worked very hard in the cold and were tired. Additionally, they could turn off the consciousness when they lit the fire and got the first signs of heat. It's very relaxing. In science it's called thermal relaxation.
Then there's the burnt firs at the treeline. Ivanov chose directed heat rays, i now prefer the rocket fuel theory. Curiously if both propellant components met in the air they would ignite into a fire orb....
Except Ivanov (and it was he who spoke 35 years after the events), no one knows about it and has not seen anything like it, although they have been on the spot for much longer than Ivanov himself.
It is not serious to talk about fuel and fireballs, if the very fact of the rocket is absent at all. On rumors and gossip can build any number of erroneous versions, only who would need it? The most important thing - why do you need it?
The "fireballs" themselves have already been clearly identified by the search participants as a result of launching missiles at a very long distance - several thousand kilometers or miles. There are no events that coincide in time with the accuracy of minutes, which should be explained more fabulous than it actually is.
Then there's strange marks on the bodies, photos of YuriK and Igor both showing curved lines that terminate in a perpendicular stripe. Caused by metal fragments of a repeating pattern?
I didn't get it. Tell me more about what you wanted to say with this?
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