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July 03, 2020, 12:14:05 PM
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I have now read  quite a bit on DPI, and Yuri Yakimov's tale of bright lights, and approaching "swinging sets of moving lights" in a mine pit, and an exactly similar account given by Forest Ranger Rudkovskiy.  All note  frightening, approaching "swinging sets of lights" that approach only at a human glance. An analogy is made to the DPI & ball lightning, perhaps....A further example is given of an experienced taiga hunter who undressed and moved about the taiga for days before dying.  All these examples seem to include bright lights in the wilderness darkness.

However in the west, we also have in North America (where I am a forester) huge tundra and vast Northern forests, with immense Northern mountain ranges, its all very similar in our Canada.  Yet all these corroborating sights come from only one country, Russia.  How could this be, I think.  We in the West are trained to be rational only.  Superstition is out.  it does not make sense that no country other than Russia could have such events, surely? The topography and climate in Canada are the same.

Is it possible that something deep within Russia's society and culture and history, could be behind all these similar stories?  Why no bright swinging lights in our huge northern forests?

Well I have read a fair bit about similar phenomenon  in Northern America and Alaska and Canada as well. So its not just Russia where such things happen.

Thank you for the quick reply to my post.  I was wondering if you have a link for any stories you may have heard regarding    similar tales to the Russian ones, that originate in North America...? Thanks...

Well you could try Googling it. You will come with all sorts of stuff relating to North America and Canada.
DB

July 07, 2020, 10:37:19 AM
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"Well you could try Googling it. You will come with all sorts of stuff relating to North America and Canada."

I have done my Google search, and indeed did come upon a number of cases of "strange lights" in North America, with one HUGE  difference; American reports are all in the sky only.  Nothing at all on land; and no eyewitness accounts, all are in the type of UFO style.  So my complaint stands; that all stories regarding "lights in the forest" are from Russia only; which is in itself problematical.

It's on those who believe in the worldwide nature of these things, to bring up their own examples of why this should be so.
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July 08, 2020, 03:53:18 AM
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"Well you could try Googling it. You will come with all sorts of stuff relating to North America and Canada."

I have done my Google search, and indeed did come upon a number of cases of "strange lights" in North America, with one HUGE  difference; American reports are all in the sky only.  Nothing at all on land; and no eyewitness accounts, all are in the type of UFO style.  So my complaint stands; that all stories regarding "lights in the forest" are from Russia only; which is in itself problematical.

It's on those who believe in the worldwide nature of these things, to bring up their own examples of why this should be so.
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July 08, 2020, 10:54:28 AM
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"You have to have the special knowledge that only special people have"

Aha Ha...!  This "special" knowledge now includes ghosts and goblins, eh...?  Then any hope to find what happened here is truly lost..

Here's a great hour long video documentary... That is very sensible and well-done...



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July 09, 2020, 02:23:05 AM
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Nigel Evans


Ghosts and goblins? Whatever next? A falling theory perhaps?

July 26, 2020, 11:20:07 AM
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 Well, here's a couple of thoughts...The thing that panicked them was as likely inside the tent, as was outside...

After all it was black outside, and very dark inside...How could they have seen clearly outside the tent...?  The tent was made of dark, or black material it seems.  I have winter camped, and it's very difficult to see outside the tent in the dark...So the thing that panicked them is un-likely to be outside.  I have no idea what this was, just that I doubt it could have been clearly seen outside...

Second, the tears in the tent   being 'cut" only from the inside...I feel free in rejecting this, as the only advice comes from a "seamstress."  This was from the original report.  This is far from "expert" opinion, that would NEVER be accepted in the West....in an inquest or any official report.  She has NOT spent twenty years studying cuts, that's for sure.  So, this opinion must be removed from official beliefs.

In the end, we are left with NOT knowing whether the cuts were made by getting out of the tent, or by some force cutting into the tent.  I'm just saying her opinion is not a professional one, nor is it final, as a result..
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July 27, 2020, 02:19:34 AM
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Well, here's a couple of thoughts...The thing that panicked them was as likely inside the tent, as was outside...

After all it was black outside, and very dark inside...How could they have seen clearly outside the tent...?  The tent was made of dark, or black material it seems.  I have winter camped, and it's very difficult to see outside the tent in the dark...So the thing that panicked them is un-likely to be outside.  I have no idea what this was, just that I doubt it could have been clearly seen outside...

Second, the tears in the tent   being 'cut" only from the inside...I feel free in rejecting this, as the only advice comes from a "seamstress."  This was from the original report.  This is far from "expert" opinion, that would NEVER be accepted in the West....in an inquest or any official report.  She has NOT spent twenty years studying cuts, that's for sure.  So, this opinion must be removed from official beliefs.

In the end, we are left with NOT knowing whether the cuts were made by getting out of the tent, or by some force cutting into the tent.  I'm just saying her opinion is not a professional one, nor is it final, as a result..

Not so. Check this: https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=124.0 for more information regarding the tent.

A professional, forensic criminologist Churkina did the examination.



July 27, 2020, 01:36:27 PM
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Well, here's a couple of thoughts...The thing that panicked them was as likely inside the tent, as was outside...

After all it was black outside, and very dark inside...How could they have seen clearly outside the tent...?  The tent was made of dark, or black material it seems.  I have winter camped, and it's very difficult to see outside the tent in the dark...So the thing that panicked them is un-likely to be outside.  I have no idea what this was, just that I doubt it could have been clearly seen outside...

Second, the tears in the tent   being 'cut" only from the inside...I feel free in rejecting this, as the only advice comes from a "seamstress."  This was from the original report.  This is far from "expert" opinion, that would NEVER be accepted in the West....in an inquest or any official report.  She has NOT spent twenty years studying cuts, that's for sure.  So, this opinion must be removed from official beliefs.

In the end, we are left with NOT knowing whether the cuts were made by getting out of the tent, or by some force cutting into the tent.  I'm just saying her opinion is not a professional one, nor is it final, as a result..

Yes we only have someones word for it.  But sometimes someones word is all that is needed.  Apparently the Tent was examined properly.  However in this Dyatlov Mystery it seems like all options are open.  I have often thought about those cuts in the Tent and if they were indeed done from inside and not outside.  Without the Tent as material Evidence we can not be certain.  And the Tent, a crucial piece of Evidence, DISAPPEARED.  We are told it became damaged whilst in storage and was thrown away. And if we are to believe that then we may as well believe anything. 
DB