discrepancy between reported prints and what was found

[tenne]

According to the report

'We have managed to discover the traces of eight or nine people in about one kilometer from the tent along the slope, after which the traces go cold. One man was in boots, one had socks and the rest were barefoot."

But

Yuri Doroshenko:         He was wearing different set of wool socks on both feet, socks on left foot were burned
Yuri Krivonischenko:    torn sock on his left foot.
Igor Dyatlov:               He had one cotton sock on his left foot, and one woolen sock on his right foot.
Zinaida Kolmogorova:   Three pairs of socks. Two pairs were thin, then the third pair was woolen with insoles inside
Rustem Slobodin:         four pairs of socks, and one felt boot (valenka) on his right foot.
Ludmila Dubinina:        two pairs of warm sock. A third sock was not paired.
Semyon Zolotaryov:     His legs were protected by a pair of socks and a pair of warm leather hand made shoes
Aleksander Kolevatov :  home knitted woolen socks with sights of fire damage. His right foot was also protected by a light sock
                                    underneath a woolen one. His left foot had similar three socks
Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle:On his feet he wore hand-knitted woolen socks and a pair of felt boots

seems strange to me and shows we can't put too much stock in the reports or the autopsy or both

[Dona]

Yes, the autopsies are off..may be  a translation issue, I dont know  but, they make no sense..

[tenne]

or the official report is. problem is we don't know which one it is but if the idea they left the tent in barefeet is because of this, then it is wrong.

[Dona]

I was wondering how the footprints are still visible after 3 weeks out in the open, yet there are no footprints in the woods, protected from wind and snow.. leading searchers to the ravine..

This is why the case isnt solved.. Too much mis-information..

[tenne]

can't argue with that.

[sarapuk]

According to the report

'We have managed to discover the traces of eight or nine people in about one kilometer from the tent along the slope, after which the traces go cold. One man was in boots, one had socks and the rest were barefoot."

But

Yuri Doroshenko:         He was wearing different set of wool socks on both feet, socks on left foot were burned
Yuri Krivonischenko:    torn sock on his left foot.
Igor Dyatlov:               He had one cotton sock on his left foot, and one woolen sock on his right foot.
Zinaida Kolmogorova:   Three pairs of socks. Two pairs were thin, then the third pair was woolen with insoles inside
Rustem Slobodin:         four pairs of socks, and one felt boot (valenka) on his right foot.
Ludmila Dubinina:        two pairs of warm sock. A third sock was not paired.
Semyon Zolotaryov:     His legs were protected by a pair of socks and a pair of warm leather hand made shoes
Aleksander Kolevatov :  home knitted woolen socks with sights of fire damage. His right foot was also protected by a light sock
                                    underneath a woolen one. His left foot had similar three socks
Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle:On his feet he wore hand-knitted woolen socks and a pair of felt boots

seems strange to me and shows we can't put too much stock in the reports or the autopsy or both

It is necessary to analyse carefully all what is written.

Maslennikov
“When we finished taking inventory of the tent’s contents, we moved it to the helicopter pad, about 600-700 m away.” Radiogram: “We managed to identify footprints of eight or nine people starting from the tent and going about 1 km down the slope, and then they were lost. One person was in boots, the others were only in socks and barefoot.”

Slobtsov
”There were footprints of bare feet, but in socks. Some were from valenki, and occasionally we could make out the tread of a ski boot. All of these prints were raised higher than the actual wind-scoured surface of the slope. We followed these prints from the tent in the direction of a spreading cedar, which was clearly prominent on the hill. First we lost, and then we found, the tracks again. They appeared again in the birch-tree undergrowth, and then they went down along the ravine which led to the Lozva River.”


Brusnitsyn
”Footprints can be preserved in the mountains because of the way the wind works there. You see the prints not as lowered imprints, but rather as raised columns, because the snow under the print is left compacted and cannot be eroded by the wind, but the area around it is scoured by the wind. Then the sunrise makes the print area become even firmer, and in this way it can be preserved for the entire winter.”


Captain Chernyshev
”When they crossed a stony ridge where the tracks disappeared, but further down they appeared again, and then they were lost. The prints were very distinct. In some of the prints one could see whether the person was barefoot or in socks because you could see the toes.”



Captain Chernyshev states that you could see the toes.  And Slobtsov states that there were footprints of bare feet, but in socks.  But non of the Dyatlov Group appeared to have actually been barefoot  !  ? 

[Nigel Evans]

Lots of varied reports in the casefiles, the famous one being estimates of distance. 50 to 500 metres! 

[tenne]

According to the report

'We have managed to discover the traces of eight or nine people in about one kilometer from the tent along the slope, after which the traces go cold. One man was in boots, one had socks and the rest were barefoot."

But

Yuri Doroshenko:         He was wearing different set of wool socks on both feet, socks on left foot were burned
Yuri Krivonischenko:    torn sock on his left foot.
Igor Dyatlov:               He had one cotton sock on his left foot, and one woolen sock on his right foot.
Zinaida Kolmogorova:   Three pairs of socks. Two pairs were thin, then the third pair was woolen with insoles inside
Rustem Slobodin:         four pairs of socks, and one felt boot (valenka) on his right foot.
Ludmila Dubinina:        two pairs of warm sock. A third sock was not paired.
Semyon Zolotaryov:     His legs were protected by a pair of socks and a pair of warm leather hand made shoes
Aleksander Kolevatov :  home knitted woolen socks with sights of fire damage. His right foot was also protected by a light sock
                                    underneath a woolen one. His left foot had similar three socks
Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle:On his feet he wore hand-knitted woolen socks and a pair of felt boots

seems strange to me and shows we can't put too much stock in the reports or the autopsy or both

It is necessary to analyse carefully all what is written.

Maslennikov
“When we finished taking inventory of the tent’s contents, we moved it to the helicopter pad, about 600-700 m away.” Radiogram: “We managed to identify footprints of eight or nine people starting from the tent and going about 1 km down the slope, and then they were lost. One person was in boots, the others were only in socks and barefoot.”

Slobtsov
”There were footprints of bare feet, but in socks. Some were from valenki, and occasionally we could make out the tread of a ski boot. All of these prints were raised higher than the actual wind-scoured surface of the slope. We followed these prints from the tent in the direction of a spreading cedar, which was clearly prominent on the hill. First we lost, and then we found, the tracks again. They appeared again in the birch-tree undergrowth, and then they went down along the ravine which led to the Lozva River.”


Brusnitsyn
”Footprints can be preserved in the mountains because of the way the wind works there. You see the prints not as lowered imprints, but rather as raised columns, because the snow under the print is left compacted and cannot be eroded by the wind, but the area around it is scoured by the wind. Then the sunrise makes the print area become even firmer, and in this way it can be preserved for the entire winter.”


Captain Chernyshev
”When they crossed a stony ridge where the tracks disappeared, but further down they appeared again, and then they were lost. The prints were very distinct. In some of the prints one could see whether the person was barefoot or in socks because you could see the toes.”



Captain Chernyshev states that you could see the toes.  And Slobtsov states that there were footprints of bare feet, but in socks.  But non of the Dyatlov Group appeared to have actually been barefoot  !  ?

Yes but from what I can see on the autopsy report there was 1 person's foot that was bare, most had such thick socks on and there were felt boots, insoles and boots so where did the reports of just bare feet, socks and one pair of boots come from?.

As far as I can tell, given that socks with that much protection are not going to leave toe prints. wools socks are heavy and not going to leave toe prints like thin cotton one

[sarapuk]

According to the report

'We have managed to discover the traces of eight or nine people in about one kilometer from the tent along the slope, after which the traces go cold. One man was in boots, one had socks and the rest were barefoot."

But

Yuri Doroshenko:         He was wearing different set of wool socks on both feet, socks on left foot were burned
Yuri Krivonischenko:    torn sock on his left foot.
Igor Dyatlov:               He had one cotton sock on his left foot, and one woolen sock on his right foot.
Zinaida Kolmogorova:   Three pairs of socks. Two pairs were thin, then the third pair was woolen with insoles inside
Rustem Slobodin:         four pairs of socks, and one felt boot (valenka) on his right foot.
Ludmila Dubinina:        two pairs of warm sock. A third sock was not paired.
Semyon Zolotaryov:     His legs were protected by a pair of socks and a pair of warm leather hand made shoes
Aleksander Kolevatov :  home knitted woolen socks with sights of fire damage. His right foot was also protected by a light sock
                                    underneath a woolen one. His left foot had similar three socks
Nikolay Thibeaux-Brignolle:On his feet he wore hand-knitted woolen socks and a pair of felt boots

seems strange to me and shows we can't put too much stock in the reports or the autopsy or both

It is necessary to analyse carefully all what is written.

Maslennikov
“When we finished taking inventory of the tent’s contents, we moved it to the helicopter pad, about 600-700 m away.” Radiogram: “We managed to identify footprints of eight or nine people starting from the tent and going about 1 km down the slope, and then they were lost. One person was in boots, the others were only in socks and barefoot.”

Slobtsov
”There were footprints of bare feet, but in socks. Some were from valenki, and occasionally we could make out the tread of a ski boot. All of these prints were raised higher than the actual wind-scoured surface of the slope. We followed these prints from the tent in the direction of a spreading cedar, which was clearly prominent on the hill. First we lost, and then we found, the tracks again. They appeared again in the birch-tree undergrowth, and then they went down along the ravine which led to the Lozva River.”


Brusnitsyn
”Footprints can be preserved in the mountains because of the way the wind works there. You see the prints not as lowered imprints, but rather as raised columns, because the snow under the print is left compacted and cannot be eroded by the wind, but the area around it is scoured by the wind. Then the sunrise makes the print area become even firmer, and in this way it can be preserved for the entire winter.”


Captain Chernyshev
”When they crossed a stony ridge where the tracks disappeared, but further down they appeared again, and then they were lost. The prints were very distinct. In some of the prints one could see whether the person was barefoot or in socks because you could see the toes.”



Captain Chernyshev states that you could see the toes.  And Slobtsov states that there were footprints of bare feet, but in socks.  But non of the Dyatlov Group appeared to have actually been barefoot  !  ?

Yes but from what I can see on the autopsy report there was 1 person's foot that was bare, most had such thick socks on and there were felt boots, insoles and boots so where did the reports of just bare feet, socks and one pair of boots come from?.

As far as I can tell, given that socks with that much protection are not going to leave toe prints. wools socks are heavy and not going to leave toe prints like thin cotton one

You have to read what the Searchers have reported and then what is in the Autopsy reports.

[Manti]

So many people describing the footprints they found. And yet, there is only a few photos of them, at least of the raised ones, and none of them are clear and none show barefoot prints? And there are some photos of depressed (as opposed to raised) footprints.

Also I don't understand how someone could have been barefoot... they were very close friends. If you have 4 pairs of socks on do you let your friend walk in -20C barefeet in the snow, or do you lend some socks? Surely they wouldn't want their friends to get frostbitten toes...

[sarapuk]

So many people describing the footprints they found. And yet, there is only a few photos of them, at least of the raised ones, and none of them are clear and none show barefoot prints? And there are some photos of depressed (as opposed to raised) footprints.

Also I don't understand how someone could have been barefoot... they were very close friends. If you have 4 pairs of socks on do you let your friend walk in -20C barefeet in the snow, or do you lend some socks? Surely they wouldn't want their friends to get frostbitten toes...

Yes unfortunately it looks like many photos are missing or deliberately withheld.

[bergertime]

Where are all the shoes?  Were there 6 pairs left in the tent? 

[trekker]

Where are all the shoes?  Were there 6 pairs left in the tent?

In the tent was found 7 pieces valenkis and 8 pairs of ski boots. So they had at least 5 ½ pairs of valenkis and one pair of ski boots with them. So 6½ persons have not gone down to cedar with socks only. (Assuming they had no spare valenkis. In Finnish Army we have always 2 pairs of felt boots (kind of valenkis) with us).

On March 3, 1959 at Ivdel airport all things from the location where the tent was found were spread out and protocoled: 9 parka, 8 quilted jackets (vatnik), 1 fur jacket, 2 fur sleeveless vests, 4 shell pants, 1 cotton pants, 4 Scarf, 13 pairs of gloves (fur, cloth and leather), 8 pairs of ski boots, 7 pcs boots (valenki), 2 pairs of slippers, 8 pairs of gaiters, 3 skating caps, 1 fur hat, 2 felt beret, 3 compass, 1 pocket watch, 2 Finnish knives (Tibo's and Krivo's) in their parkas, Kolevatov's Finnish knife in black leather sheath, 3 axes (2 large and 1 small in a leather case), 19 pcs overboots, 2 buckets, 2 pot, 2 flasks, 1 first aid kit. There was also a significant number of small items (socks, foot clothes, masks, toothbrushes) taken out of the backpacks, making it difficult to determine who did they belong to.

https://dyatlovpass.com/1959-search?flp=1#the-tent

[KFinn]

Where are all the shoes?  Were there 6 pairs left in the tent?

Yes, shoes and valenki were in the tent (with the exception of one pair of boots left at the storage site and the pairs worn by .)  Slobodan had only one valenki on and the other was in the tent.  Zolotaryov had on a pair of burki and Thibo had on a pair of valenki.  The remainder of the shoes and boots were in the tent.

[bergertime]

to the left of the entrance, this is where almost all the footwear of the hikers was piled up - 7 felt boots (valenki) and 6 pair of boots
to the right of the entrance, household inventory - 2 buckets, flask with alcohol, 2 large axes, 1 small ax, cooking pots, rasp in its sheath, suspended stove, bags of biscuits, as well as a piece of loin approx. 3 kg
in the center of the tent to the right of the entrance were found 2 pair of shoes

So were the 6 pairs of boots ski boots?  I'm having a hard time connecting the number shoes/boots to the number of people.  And then 2 pair of shoes, why have 2 pairs of shoes. 

Slobodan had only one valenki on and the other was in the tent.

I don't even know how that would be possible.  Was one of the 7 valenki left behind confirmed to match his?

[bergertime]

Official protocol report on the Tent from the Dyatlov group:
Camp site is located on the northeast slope of mountain 1079 (Kholat Syakhl, red) at the source of river Auspiya. Camp site is located 300 meters from the top of the mountain 1079 on a slope of 30°. Camp site consists of a pad of flattened snow, on the bottom are stacked 8 pairs of skis (for tent support and insulation, red). Tent is stretched on poles and fixed with ropes, at the bottom of the tent 9 backpacks were discovered with various personal items, jackets, rain coats, 9 pairs of shoes. There were also found men's pants, and three pairs of boots, warm fur coats, socks, hat, ski caps, utensils, buckets, stove, ax, saw, blankets, food: biscuits in two bags, condensed milk, sugar, concentrates, notebooks, itinerary and many other small items and documents, camera and accessories to a camera.

https://dyatlovpass.com/1959-search?flp=1#the-tent

I'm so stuck on the shoes and boots.

[Manti]

7 pieces of valenki.. might this be a mistake and it was 7 pairs?

30 degree slope is definitely a mistake...

Maybe they didn't have valenki for everyone, given these would only be used in/around the tent? Maybe they only had enough for about half the group as not all would be outside the tent at the same time?

[bergertime]

So only Yuri Doroshenko has frostbitten toes?  How is that possible considering how many were in socks?

[bergertime]

I guess a better question I could ask is what would you expect to see them wearing on their feet when outside?  Socks, ski boots, valenki or shoes?