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March 22, 2021, 02:58:51 PM
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They didnt  work together s a team.. They broke off into 2 factions.. Half followed Simon and  his miltary training.. find a ravine and wait it out.. The others followed Igor and his hikers training.. Gather wood, build a snow cave etc.. It was only Igors team that was scraped up, bruised and abrasions on them.. Knuckles bruised and bloody because they were doing the work..They were digging and climbing trees.. Simons team has barely a scratch on them..
 

March 22, 2021, 03:09:26 PM
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tenne

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The 4 in the ravine had the worst injuries on them. The ones under the cedar had some injuries and the 3 found on the slope had barely any.
 

March 22, 2021, 05:18:38 PM
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Dona


Re-read my post...more slowly..
 

March 22, 2021, 06:07:33 PM
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They didnt  work together s a team.. They broke off into 2 factions.. Half followed Simon and  his miltary training.. find a ravine and wait it out.. The others followed Igor and his hikers training.. Gather wood, build a snow cave etc.. It was only Igors team that was scraped up, bruised and abrasions on them.. Knuckles bruised and bloody because they were doing the work..They were digging and climbing trees.. Simons team has barely a scratch on them..

I think you have got the sequence wrong for a start.
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March 22, 2021, 06:26:44 PM
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What sequence?? I didnt sequence anything.. Unless you believe they were injured at the tent... Not possible.. the single file footprints prove that..
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March 23, 2021, 03:05:27 AM
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Yes they split up, the case files mention the footsteps diverging and the injury profile is very different between the two groups which tells a story. It could be a disagreement over the path to take. I think you're seeing Semyon's WW2 experience shining through here. I like the theory that they didn't all make it down and the rest lit a fire at the cedar on a knoll because it would provide a beacon for the stragglers. (there are better places to build a fire than on a raised area...). I like the idea that Zina, Rustem, Igor never made it down. The 2 Yuris were part of the same group but reached the cedar in a terrible mess expiring shortly afterwards. Zina, Rustem and Igor may have been blinded.
 

March 23, 2021, 08:59:10 AM
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I have wondered myself why they built the fire there.. Seems and odd place... Maybe they put it there because they were getting the wood from the cedar tree? I dont know.. tis weird tho..
 

March 23, 2021, 03:46:31 PM
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They didnt  work together s a team.. They broke off into 2 factions.. Half followed Simon and  his miltary training.. find a ravine and wait it out.. The others followed Igor and his hikers training.. Gather wood, build a snow cave etc.. It was only Igors team that was scraped up, bruised and abrasions on them.. Knuckles bruised and bloody because they were doing the work..They were digging and climbing trees.. Simons team has barely a scratch on them..

You say that they broke off into 2 factions. Half followed Simon to find a Ravine and wait it out. The others followed Igor to build a snow cave etc. This is your sequence on the Dyatlov Group leaving the area of the Tent. Then you say that only Igors team was scraped up.  Every Member of the Dyatlov Group had bodily injuries. Whatever happened at the Tent must have scared the living daylights out of the Dyatlov Group. It must also have been something completely unexpected in order for them to abandon that Tent without proper protection or any equipment to survive outside for any length of time. Its almost a certainty that they headed down to the Treeline together as a Group. Once at the Treeline something else happened. All indications suggest desperate measures to survive with little time to do so. 2 die at the Cedar Tree. 3 die on the slope up towards the abandoned Tent. The other 4 are found dead at the Ravine. They didnt break off into 2 factions.
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March 23, 2021, 03:58:07 PM
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They split in the woods.. Not sure what your point is regarding their deaths..
 

March 24, 2021, 05:43:24 AM
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They split in the woods.. Not sure what your point is regarding their deaths..

We dont really know how they came to separate because we lack Evidence. The positions of the bodies tell us that they were separated, thats for sure.
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March 24, 2021, 06:57:58 AM
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Its  who is n the ravine that makes it  suspicious..
 

March 24, 2021, 03:14:53 PM
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Its  who is n the ravine that makes it  suspicious..

What is suspicious about that  ! ?
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March 24, 2021, 03:19:52 PM
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Alex, a nuclear scientist with a device,thats gone missing,  radiation spills, Simon the odd man with a nefarious background,rushed into the group and Nick, why buddied up with Simon,  in a day.. It couldnt be worse..
 

March 24, 2021, 03:42:34 PM
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Alex, a nuclear scientist with a device,thats gone missing,  radiation spills, Simon the odd man with a nefarious background,rushed into the group and Nick, why buddied up with Simon,  in a day.. It couldnt be worse..

What device went missing  ! ? Radiation spills  !  ?  Radiation was Detected in the area and on some clothing, but where from no one knows.
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March 24, 2021, 03:47:36 PM
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Dona


The device the nuclear scientist was lugging  up the mountain that Zena talks about him having and testing along the way
 

March 24, 2021, 04:34:56 PM
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The device the nuclear scientist was lugging  up the mountain that Zena talks about him having and testing along the way

That was a sledge he'd attempted to make out of skies. 
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 04:40:51 PM
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Dona


What is a sledge and where did you see that?
 

March 24, 2021, 05:00:00 PM
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What is a sledge and where did you see that?

A sledge is like a basic sled or toboggan kind of thing, meant to help haul their items.  They were using a spare pair of skis.  There was a lot of equipment to haul and every piece had to be weighed as there were limits on how much they could each carry.  One of the girls was still carrying relatively lighter weight after an injury the summer before.  Kolevatov had attempted to throw together a sledge to help haul in the deeper snow (they were having issues with the weight and the deeper snows in the forest.). It is mentioned in Kolmogorova's diary as well as the Evening Otorten and I think it was mentioned by Yudin later, but I may be wrong on that last part (I have to go back to my notes, so it may be a bit before I can confirm that.)
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 05:11:44 PM
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Dona


This was a  level 3 certification. They werent allowed to have anything like that.
 

March 24, 2021, 05:34:42 PM
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This was a  level 3 certification. They werent allowed to have anything like that.

There wasn't any restriction of this kind for level 3 certification.
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 05:36:34 PM
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Everything had to be hand carried... from what I have read
 

March 24, 2021, 05:37:53 PM
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Everything had to be hand carried... from what I have read

Nope.  Here is an article WAB wrote some time back.

https://dyatlovpass.com/sports-classification
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 05:43:07 PM
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Dona


It doesnt mention it..
 

March 24, 2021, 06:03:53 PM
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It doesnt mention it..

It doesn't mention you can't use a sledge because there was no restriction on it.  In order to be certified as category III, you needed total length, duration (with a certain number of days at a distance from civilization,) a certain number of nights in winter condition (that doesn't mean without the stove, or tent, just that they had to overnight with only the supplies they brought with them,) and a certain amount and extent of natural obstacles.  This had to be done autonomously, as in without outside help. 
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 06:08:03 PM
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Dona


This is not the rule manual.. I'm sure its more than one paragraph..
 

March 24, 2021, 06:25:59 PM
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This is not the rule manual.. I'm sure its more than one paragraph..

No, its not a rule manual.  It is just an article by someone who was involved in winter trekking at that time in Soviet Russia.  However, if you feel there was a rule against this, maybe you can point us to where you found that?  It would certainly change some theories, that's for certain.
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 06:32:25 PM
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Dona


It was in a video.. too many to remember which one.. maybe someone else knows..
 

March 24, 2021, 07:20:31 PM
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KFinn


It was in a video.. too many to remember which one.. maybe someone else knows..

If you ever do run across something conclusive, please do share!!  I will likewise see if I can find something closer to what you are looking for, as far as a definitive manual.
-Ren
 

March 24, 2021, 08:02:26 PM
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Dona


Ok sounds good.. I wonder if Teddy would know..
 

March 24, 2021, 08:23:25 PM
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I just went thru Zena's diary and I dont see anything about it..