Ok...here goes, but after only a few days of learning and thinking...a lot of this is just to get my ideas out there. Even if they're incorrect it may jog somebody's brain in a way that helps put pieces together. I KNOW some of my answers may be a little contradictory, and I apologize if they're confusing. As I start, I have to mention Zina's first entry into the group diary: "I wonder what awaits us in this trip? What will we encounter?"
These are very correct reasons.
If it is interesting, we will make so that I will try to answer the same questions, but from position of the person which knows all from small distance. It should be understood in all senses which are in the logician.
1. In your opinion, what's the most overlooked detail of the whole incident?
Lack of last-day diaries. If the event happened late at night, SOMEBODY would have written something. It didn't take them long to put together "Evening Otorten" (Akselrod even suggests they did it that morning before the hike). The only diary day that the girls missed prior was 1/31, and by all accounts, everybody was exhausted that night. Either there are diary pages missing (I think on purpose), or the whole incident began soon after the tent was set up, and NOT later in the evening as often suggested.
1.Axelrod has correctly estimated this action. Above of tent, when they had last and tragical spending the night of it is simply impossible to make. Substantiations simple and obvious: darkness, cold, is not enough place for this purpose, many other necessary actions by which they should do necessarily.
2.Usually all diaries write in the evening when everyone is on duty at iron stove (encloses there fire wood, watches that would light up nothing and behind the general order in tent, for example, that the input would be closed and that therefrom would not blow) When it is done by the one who usually writes his diary, or the one who should write by turns in diary there is record. And if they did not light iron stove and write they could not. The reasons here the same as in point 1).
3.Zina has ceased write the diary for 2 days before because it is very difficult do it on frost, and the desire she has sufficed it do only till this time. Further she could write only when would began be on duty at iron stove during the subsequent time.
4.They were not tired for that transition that they have made on February, 01st because it was very short and they half of day did not difficult actions
From this it follows that “the most underestimated detail of all incident” is the external factor which has forced all of them and practically simultaneously escape from tent in bad clothes. It is possible to tell that it was unexpected, powerful and insurmountable.
2. What's one unimportant detail that you think people give too much importance?
Honestly, most of the eyewitness statements. They often contradict each other, and at times, they contradict themselves. There were only very few searchers who actually saw the scene before it was contaminated by the search effort itself, and even for them, the site had been weathered for 3-4 weeks before they found it. (I'm interested in searcher theories, because they come from people with experience with those conditions, and with the mindset of fellow tourists, etc...but their memories of specific details should all be taken with a LARGE grain of salt.)
I very much it would be desirable that my opinion would answer these conditions. I 4 times on 5 … 7 days happened in the winter on this place. Main objective of studying I had a studying of conditions of this place in different conditions. I had speak practically with all participants of searches who are still live, therefore it was possible specify many details.
Therefore I consider that very many think that there could be extraneous people or what that technical factors which have done them deadly harm.
It is impossible because this very remote place from any people, there is not present roads and it is possible reach there only on skis if go 4 or 5 days in the fastest way. Thus it is necessary to make 3 or 4 spending the night in conditions when it is necessary to do all only and anybody the stranger cannot help. Preparation same is for this purpose necessary as there was at Dyatlov group. Such preparation could be only at several groups from UPI, about which well-known. Local residents had no such preparation, therefore went shooting on distance approximately 15 … 20 km (or about 10 miles) from that settlement in which lived. The distance from any such settlement was more than 100 km (~ 60 miles).
Any technics which then existed could not get there because it was very far (for example rockets or planes) or because there not was roads on which it was possible get to it place.
3. Do you believe in some kind of government involvement? If so, how?
Yes. At least, with a coverup for some reason. Embarassment? Guilt? Protecting themselves, or the school, or even the hikers from judgment? I think the missing diaries and diary pages we don't have actual photographs of were transcribed purposefully, and leaving something out.
No. Because very heavy reason is for this purpose necessary. Such reason can be thought up if only scripting book like for films to Hollywood. No real cause of death of group because of any extraneous people (not only the governments) no exists.
Some people try think up such reason because consider itself more cleverly than about whom they write all. It is not so.
4. Do you believe the death of the nine hikers was somehow caused by faults made my the group itself? If so, which ones?
In some way - at the very least, I believe there was a moment when the group could have saved themselves if they were willing to abandon one or two members. It is to their honor and credit that they did not. The entire incident may also have started in one moment of recklessness that may have seemed like fun and games, but went horribly wrong and started the chain of events.
I do not see any considerable errors which were made by Igor Dyatlov or all group. At me now exists about such 40, or more difficult travel which was in this case. I do not see even the rough formal errors connected with registration of papers which they should write. This opinion is based on “the low of travellers” which existed then.
In collections which were let out by “Fund of memory Dyatlov Group” I has in detail analysed all their actions and conditions in which they were. There are no serious errors. Unfortunately all it is written in Russian, and translate it into English at me there is no time and there is no possibility. If who that wants get acquainted with Russian texts I can give the reference.
5. What do you think caused the injuries found on the bodies? (Missing tongue, head trauma, broken ribs, etc.)
At the moment, I'm considering a scenario with 2 events. First was a broken cedar branch that caused some head injuries and stranded a small group at the cedar. Then, the remainder of the crew stumbled across a moose sleeping at the ravine, which woke and ran deeper into the woods, but right through the small group of tourists on its way. Would you like to be standing in the dark, in a narrow ravine between a 1200lb startled moose and its path to freedom?
I already wrote at this forum that all serious traumas (Nikolay Tibo, Lyudmila Dubinina, Simeon Zolotaryov, Rustem Slobodin), have arisen in a consequence of blows about a surface. Tibo and Rustem in different places, Lyudmila and Simeon in one, and most likely simultaneously.
In the same texts that I have written in the previous paragraph there is detailed analysis of traumas from position of engineering biomechanics. As to parts of body which were absent (except tongue there was no also half of covering of the face) it is result of fast destruction of the thawed body which it has been frozen for long time. Similar examples I saw and at other search actions in 70 and 80th years.
6. Where do you think the radiation came from?
I don't know all the ways radiation acts, but I believe it could have been from contaminated snow, or even water from the creek due to toxic precipitation upstream.
Yes, you it is correct so have solved. But it only one of possible variants.
There are 2 sources, whence they could appear.
1.George Krivonishchenko worked at factory where there was nuclear failure in 1957. It the hidro-builder also worked on excavations which was on ground where have dropped out radionuclides with the big half-life period. Therefore it could bring small quantities of these pollution on clothes. Alexander Kolevatov studied on branch UPI where they did experiences with the same substances. Therefore it too could receive small quantity of such substances on clothes.
2.In 1958 was very much considerable quantity tests of atomic weapons on range the Novaya Zemlia which is rather nearby (about 1200 km or 850 miles). Radioactive deposits therefrom could transfer to this place. On an earth surface the dust has dropped out, it has washed off to stream channel, and then they have polluted some parts of clothes.
Anyway, even the biggest level of radiation was small. Only up 3 or in 4 times more than level of usual background of the earth. It was ~ 135 Bekkerels as maximum. Approximately as much gives 1,5 kg ( or 3.5 lb) of bananas, which are gathered if to consider isotope К
40.
For this purpose that this radiation would be dangerous to disease (instead of for death) background level should exceed natural background up 10000 or 50000 times. And in current of time it is not less than for 3 or 4 months.
7. If you could ask one question to anyone involved in the accident (not counting the victims) what would it be and why?
Probably Akselrod. I believe he has given two theories through the years, but I also believe deeper down, he has a third personal theory that would be the closest to the truth. His closeness with members of the group (especially the leader Dyatlov), and his familiarity with that region make him an important reference. In later years, he didn't find it odd that they left boots behind, due to the slippery slope. He seemed to be inside Dyatlov's mind regarding selection of the campsite, route planning, etc. He basically had trained Dyatlov, and I think some of his responses were made to protect his own reputation as a teacher and tourist, and to protect his protégé. I also believe his theories were tailored to what he knew the government wanted to hear in order to close out the case. If anybody can put the pieces together best, it is him.
Those who participated in search have different opinions on the reasons. I spoke and discussed it with many them. However opinions it is more belief in to what they have got used discussing this case already in a current of 60 years. The most part from them considers that they were killed by the arrived rocket. But they experts not in rockets, and they is metallurgists, power experts, experts in the mechanical equipment, in powerful hydraulic turbines and generators, radio engineerings.
As I is the expert, just, in rocket technology and military technology, I explained them their errors in this reasoning. They agreed, because could not object resulted by me on the facts. But again started to speak too most, after next time. It is simply religion what that …
Slices can be collected so that almost there will be no contradictions and if contradictions and are, only there where there is no trustworthy information, and all is based only on rumour.
But very high preparation on the physicist is for this purpose necessary. Scientists who have such preparation very little in the world in general.
8. Do you believe there is some kind of missing information that could potentially solve the mystery? If so, what?
Feb 1 diary entries/photographs, if there really are some missing like I think. Or, almost anything else...true documentation of the footprints and their full routes down the slope would be huge.
All information which could be kept originally is received for the past of 60 years. Then its some part has been passed or lost. But not because wanted that to hide that is why that did not understand that should be that is the main thing and what information is necessary, and what is not necessary. It always so happens in usual life. Now the new information already cannot be produce, because it simply is not present.
As to any confidential papers and deliberate hide the information then it is necessary ask itself a question: for what it was necessary to do it. If as answer in this question it is impossible quite precisely this information should not be. Otherwise we receive the Chinese pyramid (or Russian nested doll), behind this question be arise another question, more difficult and uncertain … and so indefinitely. That is we will come to deadlock.
As example I can result conversation about Alexander Kolevatova's diary. Said that he wrote his diary always. But it was only in the summer. There are absolutely other conditions. The diary with record has been as a result found that it is intended it (Zina has presented note book to all with record to whom it is intended), but it has appeared absolutely empty. There was no record. But conversations that “it was gone Alexander Kolevatova's diary” arise constantly.
9. What is something (in relation to the accident) that you wish people knew more about? Why?
The tent - actual found condition? There are so many. The people. You can tell I'm stuck on the diaries and photographs - these were everyday kids...I see myself in most of them, in different ways.
It is difficult to me as tell about it because I consider that to me enough all information, which is what to answer any question which exists on this theme. Probably because I work only with the initial information in native language and I have possibility or specify all that it is necessary at participants of these events (who was in search, or friends of participants of Dyatlov group), the archives, had education …
Studying of diaries and photos it is very correct action. It is the trustworthy information which exists.
10. In your opinion, what is the least plausible theory? Why?
I don't want to make enemies this early in my time here
I will tell only in a general sense it: it is any theory which is not factual or contradicts:
1.To Laws of the nature,
2.To that was at that time (in 1959). - it is not necessary invent “time machine” what transfer that is (and that know) now to that time.
3.To Common sense and logic of events. (For example, it is impossible make so that at first the person has died, and then it has carry other body to other place.)
11. In your opinion, what is the most plausible theory? Why?
I believe it started with an accident/injury that seemed small at first and snowballed quickly before the crew realized they were stuck in an inescapable situation. If not that, then sadly, I have a hard time getting away from an inhumanly cruel assassination and massive coverup. Occam (and my hope for humanity) pushes me towards the first option here. Also, "do not mistake incompetence for corruption" may apply.
I will not make comments this question. The necessary time … will not come yet.
That you suggest to use “Okkama edge”, it is correct, but then the version with murder is impossible. A usual question: What for was do it? Well and at once the second question: why it is made so thoughtlessly and in pointed manner? Usually all these details carefully hide. Or, at least, try to make it. And we see that all bodies and subjects are located, as though on exhibition.
12. What is your favorite source of information on the matter, and was it the same one that got you hooked on the Dyatlov Pass Incident? If not, what was it that made you interested in the incident?
I started with this website and the attached forum, and I think this will be my main spot for a while :) You definitely cover all the bases, and have a vast selection of up-to-date resources that are well organized and allow for us to reach our own conclusions.
I work only with sources of the primary information or I have researches directly on that place. At me crossing with this theme turn out absolutely involuntarily and many my friends constantly there involve.
I have get the first data of this incident when was the vice-president of student's federation travellers USSR in 1979. Then I there took up the problems of safety of travel and collected the information on incidents with groups of travellers which were students.
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