Google maps has a marker at 61.60378, 60.01951 that says "2-Y Severnyy Rudnik".
This is on an island in the Lozva river, but is this the actual location of 2nd Northern? Nearby at 61.62515, 60.03453 is where I can actually see some houses. Is the marker on the island just slightly misplaced?
WAB, I believe Manti is asking about what is here marked in pink 2-Y Severnyy Rudnik. It is not misspelled but rather misplaced?
Maybe. I gave answer to his direct question and corrected this factual error.
The place can be thought of as where this settlement should have been, as new and inexperienced reader might understand it, so I tried correct it.
A small note on the explanatory inscription:
- it was not labor camp, it was geologists settlement (mostly - summer), who worked there since the 40s.
-It was abandoned already in 1954, because in the photo from the residents of Vizhay there was helicopter Mi-1, which appeared in Ivdel (and in general in the Sverdlovsk region only in 1953 or 1954). It is possible that in 1952 they started curtail intensive work in this settlement, but it was still with the residents for some time.
This is not my doing. I used WAB coordinates for the 2nd Northern on my map.
I don't understand it. Who gave these coordinates?
Here is the 2nd Northern the Dyatlov group went through.
WAB is showing on a map another 2nd Northern (near Severouralsk) which is further south nowhere near Dyatlov group route, because in my opinion he thought Manti is asking about that one, not the one in pink on the island of Lozva.
I wrote this so that these two villages with the same name would not be confused, as some locals did in the memories and fantasies of the 90s, when there was frenzy of interest in this case. I did not think that Manti was asking about it, I just wanted there to be no confusion in their minds when they read about something very obscure.
Nearby at 61.62515, 60.03453 is where I can actually see some houses. Is the marker on the island just slightly misplaced?You see them now. They were not there in 1959. If you see houses they might have named a hostel and pin it on Google maps to attract tourists.
I don't understand where these coordinates came from? If Manti found this and asked what it would be, then I have explained everything in detail. But here I must necessarily add that such remote Mansi settlements are not intended for travelers to visit. Otherwise, they would have located them specifically near good roads. The old Mansi, who live there, lead a secluded life and there is no need to interfere with it. There are their younger relatives who help them with all sorts of things and products. For example, old Albina Anyamova lives in Treskolye and is helped by her relatives Valery and Nikolai (Jr.) Anyamov.
Of course, journalists and TV sometimes go there, but it's hard to say how good or bad that is.
The fact that Hungarian linguist professor Gábor Szényi from Pécs University worked there in 2013 and 2014 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9cs
with his graduate students (1 or 2 people)
Prof. Szényi in the village of Vizhay, in February 2014.
It was Ugro-Finnish ethnographic expedition, which yielded lot of useful science, but ordinary tourists don't do much good, in my personal opinion.
I think a large flow of travelers to this place would be bad thing rather than good thing. It disrupts their way of life. But the Mansi are hospitable people, just like any other North peoples, they will always help anyone who needs it. One only has to not abuse it when it is not necessary.