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Title: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on October 09, 2023, 07:12:29 AM
Organizers: Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov.
A large expedition trip to this legendary and extremely anomalous place in the Northern Urals starts at the end of January’24 from Yekaterinburg. Participants will completely repeat the path of Dyatlov’s group and spend three nights in a tent at the site of the 1959 tragedy.
At the Pass itself, three days and three overnight stays are planned: two at the Dyatlov Tent Site and one in the Cedar area. This will allow you to both relax after several days of skiing and conduct a whole series of scientific experiments that can shed light on the course of the tragedy!
Details: https://vk.com/event222897791
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов.
Большой экспедиционный поход к этому легендарному и крайне аномальному месту Северного Урала стартует в конце января’24 из Екатеринбурга. Участники полностью повторят путь группы Дятлова и проведут три ночи в палатке на месте трагедии 1959 года.
На самом Перевале планируется трое суток и три ночевки: две на Месте Дятловской Палатки и одну в районе Кедра. Это позволит как отдохнуть после нескольких дней лыжного перехода, так и провести целый ряд научных экспериментов, которые могут пролить свет на ход трагедии!
Подробности: https://vk.com/event222897791
(https://i.ibb.co/nwPdZkm/Screenshot-891.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN0nYjQ)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on November 01, 2023, 10:26:35 PM
Please write assignments for this expedition. What experiments should be carried out, in your opinion?
Пишите, пожалуйста, задания на эту экспедицию.. Какие эксперименты нужно провести, по вашему мнению ?
Tasks that have already been generated can be viewed at this link in my section: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=180#p1381
Задания, которые уже сформированы, можно посмотреть по этой ссылке в моём разделе: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=180#p1381
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on November 01, 2023, 10:37:33 PM
The most difficult day in terms of workload for the Dyatlov group is January 31. Traveled approximately 7.3 km. in 7 hours.
We left at 10.00. At 16.00 they are at the highest point of the ascent of the route on January 31. We climbed for 6 hours through the deep snow of a dark coniferous forest with a height difference of 375 meters. It's very hard.
Самый сложный день по нагрузке у группы Дятлова 31 января. Пройдено приблизительно 7,3 км. за 7 часов.
Вышли в 10.00. В 16.00 находятся в верхней точке подъёма маршрута 31 января. Поднимались 6 часов вверх по глубокому снегу темнохвойного леса с перепадом высоты 375 метров. Это очень тяжело.
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A site with a difference in height through deep snow in a dark coniferous forest area with rubble and obstacles.
For a segment of 5.7 km. there is a 375 meter difference in height
Участок с перепадом высоты по глубокому снегу в зоне темнохвойного леса с завалами и препятствиями.
На отрезок 5,7 км. приходится 375 метров перепада по высоте
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January 31 in the diary of Dyatlov’s group
31 января в дневнике группы Дятлова
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We left at 10.00. At 16.00 they are at the highest point of the ascent of the route on January 31. We climbed for 6 hours through the deep snow of a dark coniferous forest with a height difference of 375 meters. This is very difficult, given the accumulated fatigue over the previous days. Analyzing the diary entries for January 30, we see that signs of psychological incompatibility are beginning to appear in the group. The duty officers re do not want to be on duty on time, Luda is very offended by something. No one wants to calm her down and everyone is outraged by something... These moments can be called minor quarrels. This often happens in groups, against the backdrop of accumulated physical fatigue, when nervous breakdowns begin. In this case, you need a day and proper rest.
Вышли в 10.00. В 16.00 находятся в верхней точке подъёма маршрута 31 января. Поднимались 6 часов вверх по глубокому снегу темнохвойного леса с перепадом высоты 375 метров. Это очень тяжело, учитывая накопившуюся усталость за предыдущие дни. Анализируя записи дневников за 30 января, мы видим, что в группе начинают проявляться признаки психологической не совместимости. Дежурные повторно не желают вовремя дежурить, Люда чем то сильно обижена. Никто не желает её успокаивать и все чем то возмущены.. Эти моменты можно назвать мелкими ссорами. Такое часто происходит в группах, на фоне накопившейся физической усталости, когда начинаются нервные срывы. В этом случае нужна днёвка и полноценный отдых.
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The group climbed above the crooked forest zone, to the highest point of the route on January 31
Группа поднялась выше зоны криволесья, в верхнюю точку маршрута 31 января
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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on November 02, 2023, 04:23:11 AM
Organizers Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov made a slight adjustment to the Expedition plan
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов сделали небольшую корректировку плана Экспедиции https://xn----7sba3aeenggcdi6a1ap8jpa.xn--p1ai/archives/4179
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: WAB on January 15, 2024, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: Олег Таймень on October 09, 2023, 07:12:29 AM
Organizers: Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov.
A large expedition trip to this legendary and extremely anomalous place in the Northern Urals starts at the end of January’24 from Yekaterinburg. Participants will completely repeat the path of Dyatlov’s group and spend three nights in a tent at the site of the 1959 tragedy.
At the Pass itself, three days and three overnight stays are planned: two at the Dyatlov Tent Site and one in the Cedar area. This will allow you to both relax after several days of skiing and conduct a whole series of scientific experiments that can shed light on the course of the tragedy!
Details: https://vk.com/event222897791
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов.
Большой экспедиционный поход к этому легендарному и крайне аномальному месту Северного Урала стартует в конце января’24 из Екатеринбурга. Участники полностью повторят путь группы Дятлова и проведут три ночи в палатке на месте трагедии 1959 года.
На самом Перевале планируется трое суток и три ночевки: две на Месте Дятловской Палатки и одну в районе Кедра. Это позволит как отдохнуть после нескольких дней лыжного перехода, так и провести целый ряд научных экспериментов, которые могут пролить свет на ход трагедии!
Подробности: https://vk.com/event222897791
(https://i.ibb.co/nwPdZkm/Screenshot-891.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YN0nYjQ)

The dates of this event are approaching, but no clear program settings have not yet appeared in several Internet resources writing on this topic. All there has been is to the greatest extent commercial advertising of the event, with big advertising plans and desires. There were even suggestions of additional offers from other readers....
Is it not yet clear that commercial objectives can kill "a number of scientific experiments that may shed light on the course of the tragedy" (c)?
By the way, and no clear program of these " research" was never published.
From the experience of previous (though not at all best publicized) such entrances to the research, it was established that the real program can only be that which researchers (personally!) can draw up for themselves, taking into account their own intellectual and technical training. And with a clear schedule of research technology and a reserve of what must be done necessarily, and what can be skipped due to weather and other difficulties. The statistics of such plans (without outside influence) is such that only 2/3 to 1/4 of what is planned turns out. Additional "implementations" reduce the possibilities by exactly as much as they are accounted for. And it is necessary to prepare for them (technically and materially) additionally, for which there is neither time nor energy left. It would be better to be fully prepared for the main thing.
As well as all sorts of PR actions take away energy and time from the necessary work. By the way, unnecessary efforts on waste approaches also do not add opportunities in research. Here it is necessary to decide what is the main   шашечки или ехать  - either to go or research, or PR..... Hence the conclusions about the results.
What will be the result? Long ribbons of photos, like "we were in this place and a few meters (yards) further" (which do not indicate anything) or a short text result with the course, result and analysis of the conducted research? Illustrations are not abhorred, only they need to have a clear objective for the results and analysis of the studies 
Or will we again hear statements on camera: "Here it is blowing 15 m/s (33 kt) and it is terribly cold here..."? The wind 15 m/s (33 kt) is there almost constantly on open places near the place where the tent stood, and in winter it is always cold, which is not surprising, especially in the Urals....
So what to expect, besides loud statements in the press?

PS. Speaking of "sleeping in a tent site"... Can we be clear on what this does for research? What is the purpose? Or again, as in 2023 it will be a PR action, especially considering that "this place" was shifted more than 150 m (4500 ft) and lower down the slope...  bang1  because, "there the place is more convenient for overnighting...". "Loss, of course, one should not look for it where one lost it, but under a flashlight at night - it is brighter there" - there is such a parable....

PPS. And one more question about the advertising of the so-called "Konstantinov's warehouse place":
If it is considered that the main sign of it is a place covered with birch bark, then here is a test for вшив….. truthfulness: when you were at that place in March 2023, how much did you want to create such a planking under the snow?
If "no", then it is definitely not a reference point for the Dyatlov group camp warehouse site, and if "yes", then there is a problem of credibility to all your "research"....

My winter research of this 2014 and 2015 in terms of their trekking tactics and logistics of their route gives a slightly different place... Only until it is more precisely defined I will not publish it in full. I described the general principles a long time ago in a book published by the "Dyatlov Group Memorial Foundation". I don't know if I will be able to do it at all, but that's a whole other story....
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: WAB on January 15, 2024, 12:13:07 PM
Quote from: Олег Таймень on November 02, 2023, 04:23:11 AM
Organizers Alexey Korolev and Alexander Fedotov made a slight adjustment to the Expedition plan
Организаторы Алексей Королёв и Александр Федотов сделали небольшую корректировку плана Экспедиции https://xn----7sba3aeenggcdi6a1ap8jpa.xn--p1ai/archives/4179

Apparently, the organizers are again "drop a brick or trigger a backlash".
I skip the transfer from the starting point and back to it, although there may be problems and time losses there too, which will affect the success of the event. This, too, must be taken into account if you are serious about it.
1. If everyone's movement on January 28 will be by transportation, then it is feasible. If not, this day will be lost, at least for part of the group. How everyone should connect afterwards will it was be a problem.....
2. On January 29, it is also unclear how to carry out such an extensive program in such a short day (sunrise 9:30 local - sunset 17:00 local), especially that it will probably not be possible to leave early, as in general at the beginning of any journey... About the movement along the Auspia and the supply of the camp you can only fantasize. Especially if we take into account that the Auspia delta is a big swamp, which is not always completely frozen in winter - you can run into a section, which is slightly covered with fresh snow, and immediately deeper - it is water....
This should also be taken into account. By the way, Dyatlov's group did not go there, but made a big detour to the north. Since to go 4...5 kilometers in a day is not for this section. So they walked longer somewhere else, and there is nowhere else to go but north.
That's very optimistic, even if there's no big frost. According to the forecast it should be -15C +/- (~5F+/-), but the forecast is accurate only for 5...7 days (today - only until January 20), and then +/- 50%. Nobody canceled snowfalls according to the forecast.....
Therefore, overnight stay on the "шишка -in Russian = cone" is a very big optimism....
3. If everything will be as planned (which I very much doubt...), then the correction for January 30 will have to be made on the fact that Dyatlov's group went not to the "helmet", but further to the exit to a free place, because on the site "bump" - "their parking on January 30" on the left bank of the Auspia, parking is impossible because of steep banks and high rises. But, God help us, if we succeed....
4. On January 31, the schedule of transition is more than optimistic, especially taking into account all previous problems... If to take into account that they didn't go to the stone-island and "Konstantinov's camp warehouse " is no more than a figure of speech, it would be better to go out into the forestless area and try to dig a little snow (to understand its structure in this place - it's at least some use for research) and immediately go down to a normal parking lot. Without any mirages like "Konstantinov's camp warehouse ". Moreover, this camp may have to be left as a base camp for the next few days. By the way, "Kuntsevich's glade" is quite a suitable option. Moreover, it is already known from summer outings. We would only have enough time for daylight time (since January 29 there is practically nothing will change in daylight duration - 7 hours 32 minutes, sunrise-sunset, minus light losses due to mountain shading).
5. February 1 is another PR action with unclear goals? What do they want to achieve? Although (I am sure) the tent will probably have to be set up (if at all?) not there, but "под фонарем - under the lantern = patter " where it is more convenient... this is the very moment: what do they want to do, to really study something or to make himself PR actions themselves?
Wouldn't it be better to leave the tent where it was on January 31, and further to conduct research, the program of which is still "secret"?
All this reminds the proverb: "Хорошо бы, хорошо бы, нам моржа поймать большого…"  "It would be good, and would be good it would be good for us to catch a big walrus..." (c) Chukchian parable.
6. February 2 and 3 - the program is more than extensive, but we would like details that it would be possible to evaluate it. The " swing " was very big, but the goals and the technology of realization are not clear. As a rule, in such unclear conditions not much is obtained at all, except for a large number of photos and a set of letters that are not useful for the case. But according to the results of the trip it will be seen what has turned out....
7. The schedule for February 4 is more than tight. Especially considering the effort and resources already expended. 30 km (18.6 mi) distance in those mountains on skis is a very high expenditure of energy. Even assuming that none of the equipment will break down and there is enough daylight - 7 hours and 50 minutes. With the schedule of movement 50 minutes + 10 minutes of rest and spending 70% of the time of the whole day, it turns out to be an average speed of 4 km / h (2.5 kt). And this is not counting unforeseen time losses, which are always present. Such a schedule is feasible only for a very strong and prepared group. However, any commercially assembled group does not have such properties. I will be glad to be wrong in this case, but let's see what the result is.
8. The further schedule for the research part is of no interest. However, there may well be delays that could affect traffic and security (as a result of rushing, for example).
Judging by the results of the preliminary expedition in December https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=1529.0 , my pessimism is quite justified...   dunno1
So, according to the results, let's see how estimates and forecasts correspond to requests and aspirations. Unless, of course, the moderator, as an "honest man", again will not delete my writings, as it was on another (Russian) forum.
Just in case, I made screenshots of the screen.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on January 27, 2024, 09:59:32 AM
Today at 7:00 am the first expedition for 2024 to Dyatlov Pass started from the headquarters of the Dyatlov Group Memorial Fund. There are nine people in the group, three of them girls. Participants plan to ski along the exact route of the Dyatlov group to the Pass, which will be difficult given the current snowy winter conditions. Next, the group plans to spend three nights - two at the Dyatlov group tent site on the slope of 1079, and one in the Cedar in the Lozva valley. The plan for experiments at the location is impressive. Lets hope that the weather allows them to be carried out. The return date is February 7-8.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiFPcEM83Z8
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Ziljoe on January 27, 2024, 10:32:08 AM
I look forward to hearing any outcomes or new observations. I'll be interested to see how it all goes .
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on January 29, 2024, 10:32:20 AM
They spent the night in a house not far from Ushma. Today they are moving to Izba Ilycha. Temperature during day is -25°C.
But they lost me here because Izba Ilycha is not on Dyatlov's route.

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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: amashilu on January 29, 2024, 02:51:28 PM
Wonderful map.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on January 31, 2024, 11:04:21 AM
EXPEDITION UPDATE
Tonight they pitched a tent on the Pass, where Dyatlov's tent was found. Winds are very strong.
On the way to Ilyich’s base, they visited 41st district and 2nd Northern, and "learned a lot of interesting things".
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 02, 2024, 11:57:13 PM
EXPEDITION UPDATE 02.02
The group spends the night at the pass. In the evening thy had a live broadcast with the participants of the Memorial Evening of the Dyatlov group. Despite minor technical errors, everything worked out. Everyone is happy. Tomorrow the expedition plans to descend into the forest zone.
Title: District 41
Post by: RichardD on February 04, 2024, 04:48:08 PM
Hi,

Could you tell me what the logging community called "District 41" has become today? Are there any houses that were there when the Dyatlov group passed through?
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 05, 2024, 08:43:28 AM
EXPEDITION CUT SHORT
Last night they slept in Vizhay, and in the morning left for Ivdel. They plan to arrive in Yekaterinburg tonight. I don’t know why they are coming back earlier than planned. They will tell us tomorrow themselves.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 05, 2024, 10:00:27 AM
First photos from the Dyatlov Pass this year!
They said that they have spent 3 nights without heating source.

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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 05, 2024, 10:29:37 PM
CHRONICLE OF THE EXPEDITION "On the Path of the Dyatlov Group 2024"

04.02 The group is on the way back, now spending the night in Vizhay.
02.02 The group spends the night at the Pass. In the evening we conducted a live broadcast with the participants of the Memorial Evening of the Dyatlov group. Despite minor technical errors, everything worked out. Everyone is happy. Tomorrow the expedition plans to descend into the forest zone.
01.02 Today the group again spends the night in a tent on the Pass. During the day, we conducted experiments and research on the slope and in the Cedar area. The weather is warm -4°C, calm. No fireballs are flying over the pass, everything is fine. A LIVE COMMUNICATION IS PLANNED TOMORROW AT A MEMORIAL EVENING.

31.01 The group pitched a tent on the Dyatlov Pass. Everyone is happy, everything is fine. The weather is acceptable, only the wind is strong. There is a lot of controversy about the Dyatlov group.
30.01 Overnight in the forest, in the field, 10 km from the Dyatlov Pass. The weather is warm - 15°C, the mood is good, health is in order.
29.01 On the way we visited District 41 sites and 2nd Northern. Overnight in the house called Ilyicha's base. The place was named so not in honor of the leader of the world proletariat (Lenin), but after the patronymic of a hunter who lived in this place for a long time.
28.01 Overnight in Ushma in a house 7 km from thе village.
27.01 Departure by car from Yekaterinburg. Overnight in Vizhay.


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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 06, 2024, 11:02:23 PM
(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Fedotov-Lyapakh-Anyamov.jpg)   (https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Vitaly-Dolmatov-002.jpg)

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(https://dyatlovpass.com/resources/340/gallery/Vitaly-Dolmatov-008.jpg)

And this is how a tradition was born: "Tangerines for Dyatlov" (https://overtime.life/mandariny-dlya-dyatlova)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 07, 2024, 06:19:20 AM
THE SUNRISE DYATLOV GROUP DIDN'T SEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrfetHekn9o

Dyatlov Pass time lapse by Vitaly Dolmatov
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 07, 2024, 10:49:09 PM
A short list of research conducted by Expedition 2024 from January 27 to February 5.
1. The territory of 41 forest plots was filmed from a copter.
2. Photo/video taken of territory 2 of the northern village.
3. Photo taken of a place with a view of Hoy-Ekva filming footage by Dyatlov’s group on Lozva
4. The tasks of Alexander Alekseenkov and WladimirP were partially (to a small extent) completed (Yanezh’s tasks arrived at the forum after we left Novokuznetsk). We did not get to Auspiya, Kuntsevich’s campsite or the labaz due to the combined logistical difficulties and weather).
5. An experiment was conducted on the psychological compatibility of the group in conditions of cold and dehydration.
Participant Stanislav Evdokimov was observed as a test subject.
6. Throughout the entire route, the group’s clothing was examined and compared with the clothing of the Dyatlov group. (video recordings)
7. We spent 3 cold nights at the site of the Dyatlov group’s tent. (the stove was not used at night due to strong winds, saving firewood and observing the condition of the test participants).
8. On the only morning with clear weather, a series of photographs were taken of the alleged site of the Dyatlov group’s tent from three angles. Video shot.
9. In bad weather, photographs were taken of digging a hole to the north of the tent flange and recording the time.
10. Stas Evdokimov dug a trench 7 meters 80 centimeters all the way to the ground from the site of Konstantinov’s tent in a westerly direction.
11. The section of the trench layer was examined for layering, density, avalanche hazard, etc.
13. Continuous video recording of the area from the site of the Dyatlov group’s tent to the site of where Igor Dyatlov’s body was carried out.
14. A video was taken of Stanislav Evdokimov’s descent with a heavy load from the site of the Dyatlov group’s tent to the stream and cedar tree in socks (1 hour 40 minutes)
15. A participant in the hike, an experienced surgeon Andrei Gavrilov, analyzed the stones of ridges 2 and 3, the level of the slope for injuries when descending from the tent site to the cedar.
16. Footprints of Stas Evdokimov’s bare feet were filmed from the 2nd to 3rd ridges of the slope.
17. The slope of Kholat Syakhl slope was filmed from a copter.
18. The group’s descent from the alleged site of the tent to the cedar without skis and snowshoes was filmed.
19. A pack of wolves was recorded approaching at night within a radius of 20 meters from the tent between Chaikonur and the Dyatlov Pass in the forest zone. Valery Anyamov used weapons to scare away the wolves.
20. At the Ilyich base, a lecture was organized on hikers clothing from professionals (a parallel group of manufacturers of hiking clothing) and answers were received on the clothing of the Dyatlov group. Filmed on video.
21. A study was conducted of exhibits and criminal cases without numbers in the Ivdel Local History Museum. Filmed on video.
22. Interviews were conducted with Valery Anyamov and two professional guides of the Northern Urals on many issues related to the Dyatlov group.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Teddy on February 08, 2024, 12:21:02 AM
Молодцы! Well done guys!
Welcome back. I am impressed by the shear amount of work you did.
When you get the chance:
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 08, 2024, 02:23:40 AM
Quote from: Teddy on February 08, 2024, 12:21:02 AM
Молодцы! Well done guys!
Welcome back. I am impressed by the shear amount of work you did.
When you get the chance:
  • How bad was Auspiya, "combined logistical difficulties and weather", was it because you couldn't continue on the snowmobiles, they could fall though the ice?
    I guess my questions is - was it something that could have affected the Dyatlov group as well, or something specific to your expedition.
  • What were Shura's and WladimirP's requests that you couldn't fulfill, I am just curious what did they come up with.
  • It seems you cut the expedition 2 days short. Any reason for this or I didn't get it right...

Teddy, good afternoon!
We planned to ski along Auspiya, just like Dyatlov’s group. There were no plans to use snowmobiles.
This year there were unusually many gullies on the river, and in the upper reaches there is a rare occurrence of ice-covered bushes and thin trees that lay down, bent to the ground, from the weight of the ice. The same bushes blocked the Mansi path along Auspiya. It's almost impossible to get through. Therefore, we decided to move from Ilyich’s base along the watershed between Lozva and Auspiya.
2. The tasks of Shura and VladimirP can be viewed at the link: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=180&p=3#p2551
Before the hike, I wanted to copy these tasks to your forum, but here the photos are posted in a different way, so quick copying didn’t work out.
3. We shortened our stay on the slope by 1 day due to a bad weather forecast sent by Alexey Koskin. We also cut 1 day from the return trip. We set out on snowmobiles from the Chaikonur pass.

Тедди, добрый день!
По Ауспии планировали передвигаться на лыжах, как и группа Дятлова. Снегоходы задействовать не планировали.
В этом году необычно много промоин на реке, а в верховьях редкое явление обледенелых кустов и тонкие деревья, которые легли, наклонились к земле, от тяжести льда. Такие же кусты перекрыли мансийскую тропу вдоль Ауспии. Пройти практически не возможно. Поэтому, приняли решение передвигаться от базы Ильича по водоразделу Лозьвы и Ауспии.
2. Задания Шуры и ВладимираП можно посмотреть по ссылке: https://dyatlovpass1.ru/viewtopic.php?id=180&p=3#p2551
Перед походом хотел скопировать на ваш форум эти задания, но здесь фотографии размещаются другим способом, поэтому быстрым копированием не получилось..
3. Сократили пребывание на склоне на 1 день из-за плохого прогноза погоды, отправленного Алексеем Коськиным. Ещё сократили 1 день обратной дороги. Выехали снегоходами от перевала Чайконур.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 08, 2024, 11:41:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8UcE9T3Gzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8UcE9T3Gzs)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 09, 2024, 05:25:01 AM
Experiment.
The time when the Dyatlov tent was pitched on the slope was established based on two photographs made by the Dyatlov group.

(https://i.ibb.co/0XScdDg/33.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qnfdPyt)

At approximately the same place I took a series of photographs. Please use these photos to determine the time of shooting.
In the photo, expedition member Andrey Gavrilov
The process was also filmed on video, which shows a clock with the exact local time of photography. Time will be hidden for now



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(https://i.ibb.co/ZM6mQfS/DSC00952.jpg) (https://ibb.co/sVvHTgC)

(https://i.ibb.co/j6vLmhc/DSC00953.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TvBH6cV)

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(https://i.ibb.co/vQKFDpH/DSC00957.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b2807TP)

(https://i.ibb.co/0nJNJWr/DSC00958.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p1XDXsd)

(https://i.ibb.co/5Bv2fVT/DSC00959.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SR0J9pN)

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(https://i.ibb.co/HGMj5zh/DSC00961.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5szPb8K)

(https://i.ibb.co/hH1XsW0/DSC00962.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rMfbk69)


Please determine and write the shooting time.
...
Here is another photograph of the same place, but at a different time. I ask you to define it too..
In the photo, expedition member Stas Evdokimov

(https://i.ibb.co/z7km5ZV/DSC00963.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pRm1Pdj)

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(https://i.ibb.co/4mfryLr/DSC00966.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NV3BhqB)

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(https://i.ibb.co/g4SvBC7/DSC00968.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7kng6Fz)

(https://i.ibb.co/RpScPBd/DSC00969.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XZ4tp3M)

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(https://i.ibb.co/2ND4TQH/DSC00973.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9tF57LS)

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(https://i.ibb.co/0hw8qBF/DSC00975.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GchB7st)

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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 09, 2024, 07:15:51 AM
In this video of the Winter Expedition -2024, we are sitting in a tent with Andrei Gavrilov just below (30 meters) the site of the Dyatlov group’s tent and preparing for a cold night without a stove.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyB2roehC44 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyB2roehC44)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 10, 2024, 12:52:31 AM
Dyatlov Pass. Winter Expa 2024. In this video I take measurements above the tent site of the Dyatlov group.
Include video player captions and English translation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gdmDqzQno0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gdmDqzQno0)
The video will become available at 17.00 Moscow time
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 10, 2024, 01:06:27 PM
https://youtu.be/eCqFp3-HQvk (https://youtu.be/eCqFp3-HQvk)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 11, 2024, 07:13:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKjaAx313I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyKjaAx313I)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 11, 2024, 08:55:50 AM
Traces of Stas Evdokimov's bare feet on the descent from the Dyatlov group's tent site to the cedar

(https://i.ibb.co/0CsrBQD/Screenshot-190.png) (https://ibb.co/481psJm)


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(https://i.ibb.co/hmsVffr/Screenshot-188.png) (https://ibb.co/87M9ccG)

(https://i.ibb.co/25rW6dS/Screenshot-189.png) (https://ibb.co/6NSrZF8)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 11, 2024, 12:49:50 PM
Stas Evdokimov - killer of the avalanche version
Video of the Sheremet News channel. The famous presenter Vlad Nekrasov comments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQshrGJw1Nw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQshrGJw1Nw)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 11, 2024, 01:12:03 PM

https://ntagil.bezformata.com/listnews/bosikom-po-sledam-gruppi-dyatlova/127526328/

https://life.ru/p/1638470

https://ura.news/news/1052731187#:~:text=%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B9%20%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%B8%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BB,%D0%A1%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%20%D0%95%D0%B2%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%20%D0%B8%D0%B7%20%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D1%82%2D%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0.

https://tagilcity.ru/news/2024-02-08/turist-proshel-bosikom-po-sledam-gruppy-dyatlova-4993164

https://dzen.ru/a/ZcTLTg-o_25Em8g9

https://syfeed.com/ru-ru/news-details/normalno-bylo-turist-iz-peterburga-proshel-bosikom-po-snegu-po-sledam-gruppy-dyatlova_86451508.html

https://78.ru/news/2024-02-08/holod-i-veter-do-100-kmch-peterburzhec-proshel-bosikom-po-marshrutu-turgruppi-dyatlova
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Axelrod on February 12, 2024, 02:03:58 AM
https://youtu.be/bQshrGJw1Nw

Transcript for video given above

[-] An expedition organized by the Dyatlov Group Memory Fund returned to Yekaterinburg from the legendary Dyatlov Pass. And it seems that the travelers were able to refute one of the key versions - the avalanche one. This expedition was also decorated with a unique experiment. A historian from St. Petersburg, Stanislav Evdokimov, following in the footsteps of the Dyatlov group in socks, walked one and a half kilometers through the snow from the tent to the cedar tree. But first things first. So, February 2 of this year marks exactly 65 years since the death of Igor Dyatlov’s group. I am sure that all our viewers are aware of the tragedy, and there is no need to talk about the events of 1959. But for the sake of formality, let me briefly remind you that in January 1959, a group of 9 skiers from the UPI tourist club, led by Igor Dyatlov, went on a hike of the highest third category of difficulty to Mount Otorten. But under still unclear circumstances, she died on the pass under Mount Khalat-Syakhyl, which translates as “mountain of the dead.” The death of the Dyatlovites gave rise to dozens of versions - from rocket and avalanche to absolute mysticism, right up to UFOs.At the end of the last millennium, we (Tau) made a two-part film about this tragedy, and this terrible secret became known to the general public.

And since then, for a quarter of a century, researchers and amateurs have been studying the Dyatlov Pass lengthwise and diagonally and expressing various versions of why everything happened like this, and seven young guys and two girls died under mysterious circumstances? The Dyatlov theme accelerates especially powerfully closer to February 2, the anniversary of the deaths of tourists. This year was no exception. A group of researchers from different cities met at the Dyatlov forums: seven men and three women. The Dyatlov Group Memory Foundation, headed by Alexei Koskin, co-organized these people, contacted the Ministry of Emergency Situations and sent them to the Dyatlov Pass. These travelers initially did not plan to surpass the success of the legendary mystical hike in 1999, organized by TAU on the fortieth anniversary of the death of the Dyatlov group, so they took snowmobiles with them. No, they, of course, like the Dyatlovites, covered some part of the route on skis. But mostly they rode in vehicles. At the pass itself, members of the expedition spent 3 days and conducted 2 experiments. The most striking is, of course, the hike of St. Petersburg resident Stanislav Evdokimov in socks from the place where the Dyatlov group’s tent was discovered to the cedar tree under which the dead tourists Yuri Doroshenko and Georgy Krivonischenko were discovered. A researcher from St. Petersburg wanted to personally verify that you can walk one and a half kilometers in the snow in socks without shoes, and he was convinced. He was wearing woolen socks, and underneath them were ordinary thin cotton ones. So, guess what, they didn’t even get wet! It should be noted here that the experiment was carried out not at night, but during the day. The weather was much more comfortable than that of the Dyatlov group. A slight minus, but the St. Petersburg historian additionally loaded himself with a backpack. Well, to make it more complicated. But by the way, down with the jokes! The expedition has returned. In Yekaterinburg, the travelers were met by Alexey Kosin and our friend and brother, journalist Andrei Guselnikov. And we have an interview, let's see.

[STAS:] The fact is that I conducted the same experiment at home, but there it was along a dense path, there was a chill there. But here it was just normal. But the day was quite warm. Minus 4 in total... In socks, on the firn... And then the dips and snowdrifts begin. And it's okay...

[KOROLEV:] Just imagine, he is 188 cm tall, he walked with us. So, we walked parallel to his course, and he walked like this in the snow (waist-deep), He also had a 25-28 kg trunk on him. He just failed...

[-] So, all your feet were covered in snow?

[STAS:] Yes, and you know what’s surprising? I got to the cedar and began to change my shoes... And my bottom cotton socks turned out to be dry. That is, snow sticks to woolen socks, and such snow protection is formed. And the bottom socks, I just put new boots on them, and put them right on them. They were dry, good...

[KOROLEV:] In my memory, I don’t think I’ve been wearing socks this far.

[-] The second experiment was carried out by the same St. Petersburg historian Stas Evdokimov, who is an apologist, i.e. trying to substantiate the avalanche version. So, there cannot be a real avalanche in those places. The mountain slopes there are too flat. But St. Petersburg researcher Evgeniy Buyanov, it seems to him, proved and even wrote a book that it was not an avalanche that descended on the Dyatlovites’ tent, but a layer of dense snow weighing several tons that rolled down, and therefore the Dyatlovites were forced to cut the tent and run half-naked and half-shod from the slope to the forest . Stanislav Evdokimov adhered to this version and decided to test it on the spot. Right where the tent was. He dug a trench almost 2 meters deep, which in itself is not easy, and waited for a layer of snow to fall into it from above. But the layer of snow did not melt...

[OLEG:] The fact that Stas conducted experiments is simply interesting. He dug an 8-meter trench at the site of the tent. The depth of the trench was 150 cm, its deepest point. The snow density all the way down was, well, dense. There is a monolith, a concrete monolith. Which will never, under any circumstances, never move on these stones on the kurumnik in the form of an avalanche. He directly proved that there simply cannot be an avalanche there.

[KOROLEV:] Look at this man - he is killer of the avalanche version!

[-] These were the main achievements of this expedition. Well, in general, the guys and girls filmed 8 hours of video with all sorts of experiments. Now this is all being understood. And I think that in the near future all information about the results of the trip will appear online on forums. The members of the expedition promised to hold an offline meeting with a small circle, to discuss everything, to brainstorm. And, perhaps, even finally decide that there are no avalanches or snow layers in that part of the Ural ridge! Or does it happen? Now is the time that after any version you have to say “or”... There is no certainty at all! And that might even be a good thing... The mystery lives on! People are interested, explore, and even against this background they engage in extreme tourism. Which in itself is wonderful, although not safe. And the Dyatlov Group Memory Foundation, based on this inspiration, decided to organize an exhibition of its archives for the first time in history. Everything that has accumulated in the fund over many years will be shown to the general public at the Yekaterinburg History Museum on Leap Day, February 29.

(https://i.ibb.co/YXk1tRg/evdokimov-lavina.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FXwyBxp)

Транскрипт для видео выше.

Диктов Влад Некрасов.

[-] В Екатеринбург с легендарного перевала Дятлова вернулась экспедиция, организованная фондом памяти группы Дятлова. И похоже, путешественники сумели опровергнуть одну из ключевых версий - лавинную. А ещё эта экспедиция украсилась уникальным экспериментом. Историк из Питера Станислав Евдокимов по следам дятловцев в носках прошёл по снегу полтора км от палатки до кедра. Но обо всём по порядку. Итак, 2 февраля текущего года исполнилось ровно 65 лет со дня гибели группы Игоря Дятлова. Я уверен, все наши зрители в курсе трагедии, и рассказывать о событиях 1959 года не нужно. Но для проформы вкратце напомню, что в январе 1959 года группа из 9 лыжников из турклуба УПИ, ведомая Игорем Дятловым, пошла в поход высшей третьей категории сложности на гору Отортен. Но при до сих пор невыясненных обстоятельствах погибла на перевале под горой Халат-Сяхыл, что переводится как "гора мертвецов". Гибель дятловцев породила десятки версий - от ракетной и лавиной до абсолютной мистики, вплоть до НЛО. В конце прошлого тысячелетия мы (Тау) сделали про эту трагедию двухсерийный кинофильм, и эта страшная тайна стала достоянием широкой общественности.

И с тех пор уже четверть века исследователи и любители изучают перевал Дятлова вдоль и наискосок и высказывают различные версии, почему всё так произошло, и семь молодых парней и две девушки погибли при загадочных обстоятельствах? Особенно мощно дятловская тема разгоняется ближе ко 2 февраля, к годовщине гибели туристов.  Вот и этот год не стал исключением. На дятловских форумах состыковалась группа исследователей из разных городов: семь мужчин и три женщины. Фонд памяти группы Дятлова, возглавляемый Алексеем Коськиным, этих людей соорганизовал, связался с МЧС и отправил на перевал Дятлова. Успех легендарного мистического похода 1999 года, организованного ТАУ к сорокалетию гибели дятловцев, эти путешественники переплюнуть изначально не намечали, потому взяли с собой снегоходы. Нет, какую-то часть маршрута они, конечно, как дятловцы, прошли на лыжах. Но в основном они ехали на технике. На самом перевале члены экспедиции провели 3 дня и устроили 2 эксперимента. Самый яркий это конечно поход питерца Станислава Евдокимова в носках от места обнаружения палатки дятловцев к кедру, под которым были обнаружены погибшие туристы Юрий Дорошенко и Георгий Кривонищенко. Исследователь из Питера хотел лично убедиться, что в носках без обуви можно пройти по снегу полтора километра, и он убедился. На нём были шерстяные носки, а под ними обычные тонкие хлопчатобумажные. Так они, прикиньте, даже не намокли! Тут нужно заметить, что эксперимент проводился не ночью, а днём. Погода была значительно комфортнее, чем у дятловцев. Лёгкий минус, но Питерский историк себя дополнительно нагрузил рюкзаком. Ну, чтобы было посложнее. А впрочем, долой остебятину! Экспедиция же вернулась. В Екатеринбурге путешественников встретили Алексей Косьин и наш друг и брат журналист Андрей Гусельников. И у нас есть интервью, смотрим.

[СТАС:] Дело в том, что такой же эксперимент я проводил дома, но там это было по плотной дорожке, там чувствовался холодок. А здесь прямо нормально было. Но день был достаточно тёплый. Минус 4 всего... В носках, по фирну... А дальше начинаются уже провалы, сугробы. И нормально...

[КОРОЛЁВ:] Вы представьте, он 188 см ростом, у нас он шёл. Вот так, мы шли параллельно курсом ему, и он шёл вот так по снегу (по пояс), У него ещё был баул 25-28 кг на себе. Он просто проваливался..

[-] То есть, все ноги были в снегу?

[СТАС:] Да, и знаете, что удивительно? Я добрался до кедра и стал переобуваться... И нижние носки хлопковые - оказались сухие. То есть, снег прилипает к шерстяным носкам, и образуется такая снежная защита. И нижние носки, я просто на них надел новые валеночки, боты, и надел их прямо на них. Они были сухие, хорошие...

[КОРОЛЁВ:] На памяти вот так далеко в носках, по-моему, не бежали.

[-] Второй эксперимент провёл тот же Питерский историк Стас Евдокимов, являющийся апологетом, т.е. пытающимся обосновать лавинную версию. Так вот, настоящей лавины в тех местах быть не может. Там склоны гор слишком пологие. Но Питерский исследователь Евгений Буянов, как ему кажется, доказал и даже написал книгу, что на палатку дятловцев сошла не лавина, а скатился пласт плотного снега массой в несколько тонн, и поэтому дятловцы были вынуждены разрезать палатку и побежать полураздетыми и полуобутыми со склона к лесу. Станислав Евдокимов придерживался этой версии и решил проверить ей на месте. Прямо там, где стояла палатка. Он прорыл траншею глубиной почти 2 метра, что само по себе непросто, и ждал, когда в неё сверху сойдёт пласт снега. Но пласт снега не сошёл...

[ОЛЕГ:] То, что Стас проводил эксперименты, это просто интересно. Он прокопал траншею 8 метров на месте палатки. Глубина траншеи была 150 см, самое её глубокое место. Плотность снега до самого низа была, ну, плотная. Там монолит, конкретный монолит. Который вообще никогда, ни при каких условиях, никогда на этих камнях на курумнике не сдвинется в виде лавины. Он прям доказал, что лавины быть там ну просто не может.

[КОРОЛЁВ:] Вот, посмотрите на этого человека - он убийца лавинной версии.

[-] Это были основные достижения данной экспедиции. Ну а так в общем и целом, парни и девчата на снимали 8 часов видео со всякими экспериментами. Сейчас это всё осмысляется. И думается, в ближайшее время вся информация об итогах путешествия появится в сети на форумах. Члены экспедиции пообещали провести в оффлайне встречу нешироким кругом, всё обсудить, обмозговать. И, может быть, даже окончательно решить, что ни лавин, ни снежных пластов в той части Уральского хребта не бывает! Или бывает? Сейчас такое время, что после любой версии приходится говорить "или"... Определённости нет вообще! И это, может быть, даже хорошо... Тайна продолжает жить! Люди интересуются, исследуют, и даже на этом фоне занимаются экстремальным туризмом. Что само по себе прекрасно, хоть и не безопасно. А фонд памяти группы Дятлова на этом воодушевлении затеял впервые в истории устроить выставку своих архивов. Всё, что за многие годы накопилось в фонде, покажут широкой общественности в музее истории Екатеринбурга в високосный день 29 февраля.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 12, 2024, 09:04:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2vFfMim2ug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2vFfMim2ug)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 12, 2024, 08:45:42 PM
At the Dyatlov Pass, Expedition 2024 participant, experienced surgeon Andrei Gavrilov discusses the injuries of the Dyatlov group members
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQFJUOe1ms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLQFJUOe1ms)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 12, 2024, 09:56:17 PM
Found a helipad on the top of a spur of Mount Kholatchakhl in the 2024 Expedition to the Dyatlov Pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXsazmRQHlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXsazmRQHlk)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 13, 2024, 09:08:55 AM
In this video of the 2024 Winter Expedition, Stas Evdokimov admits that the slope of the spur of Mount Khalatchahl, in the area of the Dyatlov group’s tent site, is gentle.
https://youtu.be/4RexJGgB1gw (https://youtu.be/4RexJGgB1gw)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 14, 2024, 08:40:11 AM
On Saturday at 17.00 Moscow time the first part of the video will be released (40 minutes) of Stas Evdokimov’s transition in socks from the site of the Dyatlov group’s tent to the cedar tree

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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 14, 2024, 10:28:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0E4WKilU1Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0E4WKilU1Y)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Ziljoe on February 14, 2024, 10:51:15 AM
I'm looking forward to this one  thumb1
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 14, 2024, 08:40:02 PM
What Stas Evdokimov’s socks look like, in which he went down to the cedar tree.

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Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 15, 2024, 10:56:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4omKANBdw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4omKANBdw)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 16, 2024, 12:56:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQwm_tjFYA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvQwm_tjFYA)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 17, 2024, 10:59:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQen6Bt010k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQen6Bt010k)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 18, 2024, 09:18:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwe5DVdAdq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwe5DVdAdq0)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 18, 2024, 09:55:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTD_yWNRJao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTD_yWNRJao)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 20, 2024, 11:01:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsNoQRC73IY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsNoQRC73IY)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 23, 2024, 12:25:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmI3i5kUNW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmI3i5kUNW4)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 24, 2024, 11:28:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gx63RVZkY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gx63RVZkY)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 25, 2024, 09:27:21 PM
Candidate of Medical Sciences, surgeon Andrei Nikolaevich Gavrilov took part in the winter expedition of 2024. Highest category, 24 years of experience.
In this video, Andrei Nikolaevich explains the nature of the injuries of Lyuda Dubinina and Semyon Zolotarev
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m84dcrn3KA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m84dcrn3KA)
In the player settings, enable captions. Set up translation into the desired language
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 26, 2024, 10:22:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlXKeR6yIUw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlXKeR6yIUw)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 28, 2024, 05:27:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL3JbD1bOvQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL3JbD1bOvQ)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 28, 2024, 09:24:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17N9uTjYIP4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17N9uTjYIP4)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 29, 2024, 09:01:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwYqMF21sg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEwYqMF21sg)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on February 29, 2024, 10:47:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIeGMwXdVtM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIeGMwXdVtM)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 01, 2024, 10:55:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzbpOWa7FE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVzbpOWa7FE)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 03, 2024, 03:50:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV64khYo6Lw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV64khYo6Lw)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 03, 2024, 10:49:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWx7h3xnOeo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWx7h3xnOeo)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 04, 2024, 04:52:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdYnqygPWcs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdYnqygPWcs)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 05, 2024, 09:29:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zTLkIVBnyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zTLkIVBnyI)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 06, 2024, 12:37:51 AM
Ivdel Historical and Ethnographic Museum named after Ivan Evlampievich Uvarov was created in 1929, when teacher I.E. Uvarov in one of the rooms of the Ivdel club named after. Lenin opened a small exhibition consisting of collected household items and documents related to Ivdel history. New exhibitions appeared in the museum, including a hall dedicated to the aborigines of the region - the Mansi, and the museum received the status of historical and ethnographic. The modern exhibition of the museum consists of seven sections: the history of the city, the Mansi hall, the Russian hut, the flora and fauna of Ivdel, the war period hall, Soviet history, as well as the “stone” hall, where minerals and stones of the Ivdel region are presented.
It turned out that the museum exhibit includes the book Ural Golgotha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1hepqmmO4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1hepqmmO4)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 07, 2024, 10:33:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_0Gd6EqmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_0Gd6EqmQ)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 09, 2024, 09:21:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfIftK0ub3w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfIftK0ub3w)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Ziljoe on March 11, 2024, 04:02:50 PM
Hi Олег Таймень.

Would it be possible for you to do brief summary for new discoveries or conclusions from the expedition. I know we all debate a lot of things that have been discussed for 60 years and go over old ground.

I was just thinking facts, for example we have the dating for the tree rings from the fallen tree. So that's a fact and not speculation.

I have watched a number of the videos but it's not always easy to fully understand the conversations.

I would be grateful for just new discoveries.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 13, 2024, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: Ziljoe on March 11, 2024, 04:02:50 PM
Hi Олег Таймень.

Would it be possible for you to do brief summary for new discoveries or conclusions from the expedition. I know we all debate a lot of things that have been discussed for 60 years and go over old ground.

I was just thinking facts, for example we have the dating for the tree rings from the fallen tree. So that's a fact and not speculation.

I have watched a number of the videos but it's not always easy to fully understand the conversations.

I would be grateful for just new discoveries.
Do you know how to use captions when watching videos on YouTube? These captions can be read in any language. Starting Saturday I start posting a big film, in several parts, about this expedition. At the same time, I will post a text version with photographs. I will publish my findings there. I would like to clarify that the expedition cannot have general conclusions. Everyone has their own conclusions.
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Ziljoe on March 13, 2024, 09:40:18 PM
Hi Олег Таймень

Yes I can use captions on you tube, unfortunately the translation isn't always clear, especially if two people are talking and perhaps accents cause problems.

I appreciate that everyone will have their own conclusions and some of that I can make out, some of it I can't. It's easy to get the written comments translated .


I shall persevere . Many thanks

Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 13, 2024, 10:55:22 PM
Winter hike Expedition 2024 to the Dyatlov Pass. Part 1. Transfer to Vizhay
In the first part of this film (57 minutes) there is a transfer from Yekaterinburg to the Chistop base in the village of Vizhay. Early in the morning we arrived at the Dyatlov Group Memory Foundation, examined the rarities, and had breakfast. We left in the direction of Ivdel. We arrived in Vizhay in the evening.
Video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ht7X15v7qA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ht7X15v7qA)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 16, 2024, 04:41:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DYya399Uk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DYya399Uk)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 18, 2024, 12:02:52 AM
In this 3rd part of the film (83 min.) we master trough surfing from the Eles-Tur base to Ushma (7 km) and further to the Ilyich Base (40 km). We spend the night at the Ilyich Base. In the morning we go to the hut in the cedar forest and on the same day we cross the Chaikonur pass. In the evening we ask questions to surgeon Andrei Gavrilov.
Video link:
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTqs5Teiy58 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTqs5Teiy58)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 20, 2024, 12:49:11 AM
In the fourth part of the film (81 min.) in the morning I film the tracks of wolves that were approaching the camp. We get ready and go out to the pass. We set up the tent in favorable conditions. In the evening the wind rises.
Video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5WHpJlJZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR5WHpJlJZY)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 21, 2024, 04:29:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kIlZ3DM4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9kIlZ3DM4g)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on March 28, 2024, 04:45:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dndhMlU_ne4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dndhMlU_ne4)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on April 10, 2024, 07:41:54 PM
https://youtu.be/lNe0qrtzZH0 (https://youtu.be/lNe0qrtzZH0)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on April 10, 2024, 07:42:31 PM
https://youtu.be/wvrRC1c5Kgo (https://youtu.be/wvrRC1c5Kgo)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on April 10, 2024, 09:24:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzfnNG9zF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzfnNG9zF0)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on April 11, 2024, 10:03:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmP9cl0FfI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYmP9cl0FfI)
Title: Re: Ski Expedition "The Dyatlov Group Trail -2024" | January 27 – February 7
Post by: Олег Таймень on April 12, 2024, 05:07:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgZn3ao18Ug (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgZn3ao18Ug)