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February 28, 2023, 11:59:36 PM
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Photo of Krivonischenko and Doroshenko under the cedar. Pay attention to how clean, white long johns are. If Krivonischenko had run in this form from a tent for 1.5 km, the  long johns would not have been so clean and white. There is also a possibility that in the undressed form of tourists, dogs were ruffled, hence the torn clothes.


 

March 01, 2023, 12:25:02 AM
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Or to look at it another way, they didn't leave the tent in that condition. There are no reports in the autopsy of dog bites nor by the on site witnesses ,neither do any of the family members at the funeral mention dog bites on the open coffins.

If the autopsy reports were dilberatly covering up or withholding information regarding the wounds and injuries, then Surely they would have covered up the fractures and with held that information?

If there were bites they could have blamed wolves or a Wolverine and everything would have been  signed and sealed with no speculation.
 
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March 01, 2023, 12:46:09 AM
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A lot of things are not written in the reports and in the forensic examination.  And the special services worked a lot with the parents and told them to be silent, this fact is well known..
 

March 01, 2023, 12:57:56 AM
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Or to look at it another way, they didn't leave the tent in that condition. There are no reports in the autopsy of dog bites nor by the on site witnesses ,neither do any of the family members at the funeral mention dog bites on the open coffins.


 

March 05, 2023, 12:24:54 AM
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Captain Chernyshov – was one of the liquidators??
Chernyshov was a resident of Vyatka Krai, Verkhoshizhemskiy district.
Screenshot from the VK site "My Verkhoshizhemsky district"
«A resident of the Verkhoshizhemsky district is suspected of murdering a group of Dyatlov.
Quote: ".. Chernyshov was appointed deputy chief of searches – Maslennikov, and after his departure headed the search headquarters…
According to researcher-activist Alexander Kasa, it was Chernyshov's group that participated in the mass murder....
Chernyshov's group is a special group of the Ivdellag, which was engaged in special operations to search for and detain fugitives..
In the photo, Chernyshev shows his tongue.
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March 21, 2023, 09:01:06 AM
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I disagree.
1. No evidence of wrong doing.
2. Route not conducive to escape
3. Too many influential surviving families
4. Yuri Yuden not liquidated
5. No " show trial"
6. No effort to shame deceased. Quite the opposite. They were treated with respect and given a monument and a geographical location.
7. No official advanced their career as a hero of the people from this.

Modern day conspiracy theorists seek not truth, but fame and money by exploiting a natural calamity.


Every single injury speaks of murder.

The fact that the nine students were from rather high-ranking strata in society, was the very reason why the whole mission had to be arranged to look like an accident.

There was no need to defame anyone. The students were loyal Soviet citizens who, unfortunately for them, were at the wrong place at the wrong time. It was a preventive killing, to preclude any further mention of what the nine had observed.

The KGB were specialists in the orchestrating of "accidents," "suicides" and "natural deaths." The Soviet security police are the most likely perpetrators of this deed.
 
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March 21, 2023, 01:07:48 PM
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There was no need to defame anyone. The students were loyal Soviet citizens who, unfortunately for them, were at the wrong place at the wrong time. It was a preventive killing, to preclude any further mention of what the nine had observed.
The KGB were specialists in the orchestrating of "accidents," "suicides" and "natural deaths." The Soviet security police are the most likely perpetrators of this deed.
Do not forget that the 21st Congress of the CPSU was held at the same time. The party organs could not allow Soviet tourists to escape to the west. It was a false denunciation. And it was a precautionary measure.
Once, a long time ago, I asked a priest: why was Christ crucified?
The priest replied: No way! They crucified him because they were afraid that something would happen.
 

March 21, 2023, 01:17:18 PM
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Every single injury speaks of murder.
The fact that the nine students were from rather high-ranking strata in society, was the very reason why the whole mission had to be arranged to look like an accident.
Of the 10 students, Zina Kolmogorova, Yuri Doroshenko, Semyon Zolotarev, Yuri Yudin, Sasha Kolevatov were from simple, poor families.But they were brave, honest and principled guys
 

April 05, 2023, 08:44:37 AM
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Angel Hunting - laughter and Sadness,
Hunting for angels - nothing is a pity,
On a Wild Hill - reality or a dream?
On A Wild Hill - A Wild Paddock
 

April 13, 2023, 09:32:16 PM
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In 1959, 9 young, promising guys died in the Ural Mountains. They died a painful, horrible death, and the perpetrators have not yet been announced. The investigation was not conducted properly, the case was closed, the perpetrators of the tragedy were not named.
But 60 years later, a trial took place.... over the book-version of Anna Russian "Ural Golgotha, or the state order for liquidation". The trial was fantastic, unreal and absurd. This process eclipsed the "PROCESS" of Franz Kafka. I have written a book about this process and my philosophical discoveries. The book was published the other day, in April 2023.


 

June 05, 2023, 03:58:49 AM
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In my book, in addition to the main one, there is a version called "Zina against the seducer from the KGB." The version is based on well-known facts. Yu. Yudin about Zina: "All men were not indifferent to her." One day Zina was summoned to the KGB to conclude a cooperation agreement. An elderly KGB officer drooled at the sight of a beautiful girl. He offered her his protection for the fact that she agreed to become his mistress. Zina refused. She said she had a fiance. Doroshenko was immediately warned: "Either you get another girl, or your whole life is going downhill."

Doroshenko decided to leave Zina for a while until UPI is completed and he becomes independent. But Zina still remained inaccessible to a KGB officer, like the screen image of Greta Garbo for a projectionist. Once, having ordered to undress, he received a slap in the face from Zina. "You're going to disappear, you're going to die, ****," the gabist barked, pulling out a gun. Zina slammed the door and did not appear on calls. From that moment on, false denunciations began to be written against Zina, Doroshenko, Dyatlov and other friends of Zina that they were anti-Soviets.

The KGB officer kept his word. During the winter campaign of 1959, a group of tourists was destroyed. The liquidators confused Zina with Luda, and Luda suffered more than others. According to my version, Luda was raped. (c)..

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June 05, 2023, 08:52:18 AM
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Ziljoe


There are no facts in this version.
Where are the facts Anna ?

How on earth did anyone know what Zina possibly said in a room with a KGB officer to be able to quote her?.

I have to be honest, I think it is absolutely disgusting that you sensational and post such things and promote your book.


 
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June 05, 2023, 09:26:25 AM
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  Ziljoe
I repeat the well-known, reliable facts:
1. Zina was beautiful and charming, liked by all men.
2. Zina had a groom Doroshenko, and it was getting close to the wedding.
3. The fact that the KGB recruited the most capable and sociable students into its ranks is also a well-known fact.
4. The fact that KGB officers considered themselves omnipotent, accustomed to submission is also a well-known fact.
5. Suddenly, a gap occurs between the lovers Zina and Yuri for some unknown reason. What could have happened?
6. The fact that denunciations were written against Dyatlov's group is a well-known fact, which was repeatedly reported by Yuri Yudin.
7. The fact that Dyatlov's group, including Zina and Luda, died in the campaign, is an indisputable fact.
 It's strange that you don't resent the version about a Snowman, an avalanche or an atomic explosion. It's strange that you are annoyed by my unique version, and not even one.
If the investigation had been conducted honestly, this version would certainly have been worked out by investigators and prosecutors.
Do you have your own version? Do you have a book?
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June 05, 2023, 12:24:32 PM
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Ziljoe


There's a lot to chew through , Anna

What has Zina being beautiful got to do with it all? Many men like many women and many women like men. Men like men and women , women and everything inbetween. The use of charming is a respectful phrase. What is your fact?

When were Doroshenko and Zina to be married?

What are the KGB recruitment requirements? To be rapist's?

How is it well known fact that KGB officers are ominpotent?

Lovers end relationships all the time , for numerous reasons. Zina speaks of her heart ache . No more no less , life, hobbies go on.

Did the denunciations come to knowledge before  or after the hikers deaths?

Yep, I agree that they all died .

I have spoke about the snowman and many other theories. No one  that has talked about their version has pushed their book or stated fact s from videos with no context.

I find it interesting, to say the least, that you alone , who was not there at the time, did not see the bodies, did not do an autopsy, did not interview anyone face to face , can conclude that your version is what happened.

No ,I do not have my own version . Reasons being , I cannot state things where I do not have facts . I speculate along with other members in the hope that we have a eurka moment.

The facts I can observe are , Russia / USSR  encouraged it's population to do outdoor activities. This includes hiking , camping etc. This seems to be a honest and innocent pastime in Russia.

Accidents happen in such activities, this includes, the UK , USA, Canada , the west in general. All over the world people go camping .

We only have two questions to the DPI.

1/ why leave the tent
2/ how did  the rib injuries and skull fracture occur.

 
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June 05, 2023, 12:34:51 PM
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1/ why leave the tent
2/ how did  the rib injuries and skull fracture occur.
Leaving the tent and injuries to the ribs and skull are secondary. Basic: who killed and the reason for the murder.
These are the questions I am looking for an answer to.
 

June 05, 2023, 12:44:04 PM
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1/ why leave the tent
2/ how did  the rib injuries and skull fracture occur.
Leaving the tent and injuries to the ribs and skull are secondary. Basic: who killed and the reason for the murder.
These are the questions I am looking for an answer to.


The only facts we have are that 9 bodies were found dead . It is not a fact that they were murdered. That is a possibility but not a fact.

 
 
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June 05, 2023, 09:49:17 PM
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What has Zina being beautiful got to do with it all? Many men like many women and many women like men. Men like men and women , women and everything inbetween.

Two harmless facts in combination with others can be the cause of the tragedy. Your problem is that you can't build versions based on a lot of disturbing facts
 

July 01, 2023, 11:34:38 PM
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E. Okishev, deputy head of the Prosecutor's office of the Sverdlovsk region, in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda journalists: there were people who received the task (!!!), or servicemen from the nearest military unit. These versions have been worked out and confirmed. But the case was immediately taken away and told to say that they died as a result of an accident" THE VERSION OF THE STATE ORDER FOR LIQUIDATION IS CONFIRMED!
 

July 03, 2023, 02:32:28 PM
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I'll take your word for it because without translation subtitles non-Russians at this English-speaking site will not have a clue what they are saying, to me it could just as easily be an elderly couple talking about their bowel management.

BTW I'm glad to see you're back Anna, while I may not agree with your theory your long silence had me fearing something had happened to you.

This is sometimes said of "911 truthers"; that if they were right about a State conspiracy, wouldn't the organisations they accuse see to it that they died in accidents etc, and although the KGB is defunct and replaced with another outfit, if this was a Soviet/Russian State secret and you were its biggest published exposer don't you think they'd have liquidated you by now? Instead you seem to enjoy a remarkable freedom of speech in a country not exactly known for it.
My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason.
 
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July 04, 2023, 12:13:27 AM
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eurocentric
thank for concern.  I do not think that the disclosure of the secrets of the Dyatlov Pass carries any danger.  Many are sure that the CPSU is involved in this case, but they do not say it out loud. I'm just trying to collect the available evidence, even indirect, and build a tragic event in a coherent line.  As you can see, there are more and more such proofs. But there is serious harassment against me on the Russian-language Internet. No one wants to consider the topic disclosed..
 

July 04, 2023, 12:26:47 AM
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link to the full video, authored by journalist Natalia Varsegova, unfortunately, also without subtitles.
 

July 04, 2023, 11:51:08 AM
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eurocentric
thank for concern.  I do not think that the disclosure of the secrets of the Dyatlov Pass carries any danger.  Many are sure that the CPSU is involved in this case, but they do not say it out loud. I'm just trying to collect the available evidence, even indirect, and build a tragic event in a coherent line.  As you can see, there are more and more such proofs. But there is serious harassment against me on the Russian-language Internet. No one wants to consider the topic disclosed..

That's sad to hear. I suspect it isn't due to the basis of your theory, that the KGB murdered the hikers, as that is as plausible as any other attacker theory, but the devil is in the details - that they were presumed to be defecting from such a remote place, far away from the border and without adequate food or hunting gear to survive such a feat, or that the girls were raped.

If you refined those elements, perhaps suggesting the KGB specifically wanted 2 or 3 of the hikers dead, had files on them, and saw this as a perfect opportunity to liquidate them, the others becoming 7 misfortunate witnesses who also had to be extinguished, and dropped the rape idea, then there probably wouldn't be this outraged posse after you who will think you are challenging the entire Dyatlov group's patriotism.

That said, there are other theories which I'm surprised they don't take equal umbrage to, such as the idea Semyon went rogue and threatened the others with an ice axe, sending them to their frozen deaths, which defames a decorated war veteran, and it seems that within Russia certain quarters imagine that Yuri Yudin knew they were going to die and lied about his sciatica in order to cowardly back away, or, as with the mini-series, he listened to forest spirits and, unable to convince Igor on the train not to go there, he ultimately saved himself when they seem to think he should have died with his comrades.

Maybe that's how it works with Russian psyche; you can defame an individual hiker, say what you shockingly like, but suggesting they all wanted to leave their beloved country is a bridge too far.
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My DPI approach - logic, probability and reason.
 

July 04, 2023, 02:58:45 PM
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Maybe that's how it works with Russian psyche; you can defame an individual hiker, say what you shockingly like, but suggesting they all wanted to leave their beloved country is a bridge too far.
I'm tired of repeating that tourists were not going to cross the border and run away. THEY DIED ON A FALSE DENUNCIATION!  Terrible denunciations were written against the guys. Why? There are many reasons for this. Home: Dyatlov and his friends (Kolevatov, Kolmogorov, Dubinina, Doroshenko) with their freedom of thought - refused to be recruited as KGB agents. The denunciations were written by the UPI trade union committee. By the way, Pyotr Varfolomeev was on the council of the trade union committee, I think he knows a lot.
 

July 04, 2023, 03:39:42 PM
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Maybe that's how it works with Russian psyche; you can defame an individual hiker, say what you shockingly like, but suggesting they all wanted to leave their beloved country is a bridge too far.
I'm tired of repeating that tourists were not going to cross the border and run away. THEY DIED ON A FALSE DENUNCIATION!  Terrible denunciations were written against the guys. Why? There are many reasons for this. Home: Dyatlov and his friends (Kolevatov, Kolmogorov, Dubinina, Doroshenko) with their freedom of thought - refused to be recruited as KGB agents. The denunciations were written by the UPI trade union committee. By the way, Pyotr Varfolomeev was on the council of the trade union committee, I think he knows a lot.

I'm not sure of the exact chronical order of events you propose. I'm sure people refused to be recruited all the time.

From what I understand is that the denunciation came after it was discovered they went missing . Is this correct?
 

July 04, 2023, 10:59:01 PM
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From what I understand is that the denunciation came after it was discovered they went missing . Is this correct?
According to Yuri Yudin, the denunciations were collected during his studies. And in the denunciations it was written that Dyatlov's group were spies and they wanted to escape abroad. Kirilenko, the head of the Sverdlovsk Regional Committee, would not have been able to safely go to the 21st congress of the CPSU if he had been informed that a group of tourists was going to escape abroad. Yes, perhaps not everyone agreed to work for the KGB (Vladimir Askinaji refused such an offer), but such terrible denunciations were not written on all students. In order not to ask similar questions in the future, study my version from the first pages.
 

July 05, 2023, 09:19:56 AM
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Ziljoe


Anna,

I'm asking because I don't fully understand where the denunciations start as your evidence. Where is it written that the Dyatlov group were spies and they wanted to escape abroad?. Is this before December 1958?
 

July 05, 2023, 09:32:50 AM
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July 05, 2023, 10:24:24 AM
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Anna, I'm asking because I don't fully understand where the denunciations start as your evidence. Where is it written that the Dyatlov group were spies and they wanted to escape abroad?. Is this before December 1958?
That denunciations were written against Dyatlov and his friends (Dubinin, Kolmogorov, Kolevatov, Doroshenko and Yudin) that they were spies and wanted to escape abroad," Yuri Yudin said. His interviews with journalists and researchers were repeated many, many times: "The UPI Trade Union Committee wrote denunciations of Dyatlov and his friends, collected compromising materials" Question: When? Answer: "While studying." It is strange that the journalists did not focus on this. In the 50s, in the era of Khrushchev, it was a terrible accusation (treason to the Motherland), for which the death penalty was imposed. There is a lot of information on this topic in Russian, but no one except me has considered this topic.
see 01:02 Yuri Yudin, as always not specifically: "They were doomed... They were not needed.. So spies..."

 

July 05, 2023, 10:32:37 AM
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these some screenshots from Yuri Yudin's interview can probably be translated. He tells how the trade union committee collected compromising materials and false denunciations on Dyatlov's group.
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July 05, 2023, 12:12:44 PM
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Ziljoe


My questions are not to catch you out Anna and only to explore , I have difficulty understanding the timeline of reported events. We can read a lot into those statements but I will raise a couple of points if that's ok.

It looks like the KGB come to investigate after they are aware that the Dyatlov group didn't return and not a moment before. I don't know if it was common practice in USSR by the KGB to investigate such concerns but it seems there is a certain amount of paranoia with students and governing bodies. ( Students always like to challenge political ideas, even in the west, seems a right of passage) .

There might be some truth in these statements but in a different context.If the KGB thought that the Dyatlov group( or any other  groups) were against the political system and were perhaps thinking of leaving the country or had important information for the west, then fast action would need to be taken. The KGB might have worked in the interest to catch them" if "they had gone to another country.

The KGB 's ass would be on the line if they missed potential spies and they made their escape , hence , perhaps explaining  their involvement and questioning ?. They would not want to look stupid.

So ,before the tent and bodies were found , rightly or wrongly, the KGB explored the fact that the Dyatlov group may have tried to leave the USSR.  This was not the case as we know and it's here that everyone is upset and angry at these accusations and defends the DP9. It is ultimately an insult to the students and families.

My interpretation is as soon as students are reported missing , the KGB came in heavy handed , looking for spies . This is their job . In parallel there was a search and rescue effort being organised by other governing departments ,students,Mansi and military.

This may explain the sarcastic comment by one of the lead investigators when he refers to them escaping half naked to the Norwegian border. ( I've forgotten the name and quote) . He's responding to the stupidity and paranoia  of the accusations by the KGB.

Again, to me, it looks like everyone gets confused at the time of the incident and speculates . If we assume that there is zero conspiracy or planning of anyone's deaths and that there never was  , then the fact is , everyone is going about their daily lives as normal, shopping, being a student, various tourists going on different hikes, sweeping snow off the roads , Mansi hearing dear and everyone drinking vodka . 



 If the KGB were involved in the murder, I doubt we would be reading about their involvement in any capacity.