June 18, 2021, 08:15:01 AM
Dyatlov Pass Forum

Author Topic: Lyudmila Dubinina's premonition of her tragic death  (Read 5711 times)

1 Member and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

January 10, 2021, 12:34:56 AM
Reply #30
Offline

20vvk07


....do you consider the moment that Lyudmila could have female problems? ... I will reveal a terrible secret for modern society: "In the USSR there were no personal hygiene products for women during menstruation!" Well, there was nothing. That's how it happened. So the same fabric that Lyudmila bought was very often used for underwear and for pads too!

Interesting!!  I've always thought Lyudmila's "evil as hell" mood was most likely simply PMS: she is so casual & matter of fact about it while still rather resenting it.  But I finally had to dismiss that idea because there were no feminine hygiene products (that I could discern) listed among the items recovered from the tent/backpacks/etc.

The problem is that such hygienic things were not in the whole USSR somewhere before the 80's. In the 50s, it could have been any rag, just any rag, which was then simply washed and reused.

January 10, 2021, 12:36:48 AM
Reply #31
Offline

20vvk07


....do you consider the moment that Lyudmila could have female problems? ... I will reveal a terrible secret for modern society: "In the USSR there were no personal hygiene products for women during menstruation!" Well, there was nothing. That's how it happened. So the same fabric that Lyudmila bought was very often used for underwear and for pads too!

Interesting!!  I've always thought Lyudmila's "evil as hell" mood was most likely simply PMS: she is so casual & matter of fact about it while still rather resenting it.  But I finally had to dismiss that idea because there were no feminine hygiene products (that I could discern) listed among the items recovered from the tent/backpacks/etc.
The problem is that such hygienic things were not in the whole USSR somewhere before the 80's. In the 50s, it could have been any rag, just any rag, which was then simply washed and reused.

January 10, 2021, 07:51:59 AM
Reply #32
Offline

mk


The problem is that such hygienic things were not in the whole USSR somewhere before the 80's. In the 50s, it could have been any rag, just any rag, which was then simply washed and reused.
It's difficult for me to imagine choosing cambric fabric specifically for a reusable pad.  It's a flat, tight weave--makes very nice shirts and other clothing--but seems like you'd want something more absorbent as a pad.  However, if any old rag would do, then you wouldn't use your nice new cambric.  I wonder whether there is anything else in the list of items that might have been used: possibly the cotton socks?  They would be absorbent, soft, and the sort of thing that wouldn't be embarrassing to hang up to dry in mixed company.  The list of items reports, "cotton socks, whole and torn, 25 pieces".  Torn socks could be put inside a whole sock and then used as a pad.   

At any rate, you've answered my question about the possibility of "evil as hell" mood being PMS--in my opinion, definitely possible!

January 10, 2021, 03:39:30 PM
Reply #33
Offline

RidgeWatcher


The PMS aspect or possibility has been talked about at length somewhere on this forum and the general consensus is her "mad as hell" and 2 days mostly likely had nothing to do with PMS or her cycle. It's generally thought that some incident occurred at the Hotel in Vizhay or maybe prior.

April 08, 2021, 09:50:46 AM
Reply #34
Offline

Dona


It was more than just Luda who had a premonition..

Igors mother did everything she could to stop him from going..  Then he said " this will be my last trip"

Someone else also  said this.. Georgy, I think.. " This will be my last trip"

Someone else was a no show

Another, transferred out,  suddenly.

Yuri Yudin.. He would have known early on if he was having sciatica.. I think he sensed something.

Then, the not one, but TWO, police encounters.. Zena said she had  never heard of such a thing  as to being arrested for singing, I think she said..

The guy who tried hard to talk them out of going that route.

The universe was speaking, but no one was listening..

April 15, 2021, 08:30:06 PM
Reply #35
Offline

RidgeWatcher


I read Sebastien Unger's book The Perfect Storm about the Andrea Gail fishing vessel. A young man had signed up for that trip, he and his father drove three states away to the docked boat, the young man needed the money for school, they drove all night and arrived at the boat in the early dawn. He walked up to the boat and took one look at it and turned to his father and said "I am not getting on that boat" he and his father drove away. I think sometimes you are given a gift in your gut that steers you towards safety. I think Lyuda was having this same gut feeling but she was brave and she didn't turn back.

April 16, 2021, 08:16:13 AM
Reply #36
Offline

Dona


Luda couldnt have left even if she wanted to. That would have left Zena, alone on a mountain with 7 men. That would not have been acceptable in those times.. or maybe even not allowed..

April 18, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
Reply #37
Online

Manti


Those times in Russia (and Europe) were different than in the anglo-saxon West. Gender equality was a big thing in the Soviet Union, and a communist ideal. They aimed for complete equality, in education, at work, equal rights, everything. There were statues in towns and cities dedicated to the "working woman". Women were actively encouraged to take up "masculine" professions. One girl hiking with 7 guys would not have been seen any differently to one guy hiking with 7 girls.

April 18, 2021, 09:07:11 AM
Reply #38
Offline

Dona



April 18, 2021, 09:54:40 AM
Reply #39
Online

Manti


I was referring to propriety.
I know but, in my opinion, the idea that it would have been improper is foreign to Russian (and mainland European, except perhaps Dutch) culture. This idea originates in other cultures such as Victorian England (and Islam) and then spread to English colonies.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/839036?seq=1
« Last Edit: April 18, 2021, 10:02:47 AM by Manti »

April 18, 2021, 02:32:49 PM
Reply #40
Offline

sarapuk

Case-Files Achievement Recipient
I was referring to propriety.
I know but, in my opinion, the idea that it would have been improper is foreign to Russian (and mainland European, except perhaps Dutch) culture. This idea originates in other cultures such as Victorian England (and Islam) and then spread to English colonies.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/839036?seq=1
 

Why Victorian England  ! ?
DB

April 18, 2021, 02:50:06 PM
Reply #41
Offline

Dona


Geez, I would have thought you would have known this one She was one of your Queens..

April 18, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
Reply #42
Offline

Dona


Could be..  I dont know.. I know I wouldnt do it  neg1 grin1

April 19, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
Reply #43
Offline

sarapuk

Case-Files Achievement Recipient
Geez, I would have thought you would have known this one She was one of your Queens..

What are you talking about ! ?
DB

April 19, 2021, 12:24:32 PM
Reply #44
Offline

Dona


Geez, I would have thought you would have known this one She was one of your Queens..

What are you talking about ! ?

Daft, again..

May 19, 2021, 04:32:47 AM
Reply #45
Offline

sarapuk

Case-Files Achievement Recipient
Geez, I would have thought you would have known this one She was one of your Queens..

What are you talking about ! ?

Daft, again..

Try thinking before you post stuff.
DB