"• Dubinina :Dispute or opposition in Vizhay (January 25 and 26) with the sponsor (client) of the February 1 attack by the troika of mercenary killers."
Jean Daniel: What evidence do you have that Lyuda had a dispute or argument with someone in Vizhay? And why would that person then send mercenary killers after the hikers? Motive?
MDGross : Thank you for your stimulating questions. I am trying to answer you here in a way that is regrettably a bit abstract.
After 62 years, in spite of many efforts, no one has been able to find a really irrefutable
scenario to explain the DPI.
At least if you are not convinced
either by the official verdict
of May 1959 or by the conclusion of Andrey Kuryakov in 2020 !
Thus, I endorse (agree with) an answer by Mihail Sharavin
while being interviewed by Maya Piskareva
in 2013.But, alas, we learn the truth either from the state, or when we find ourselves in another world, where there are no diseases, sorrows and sighing ... In the meantime, it remains to intellectually entertain ourselves with a game of investigation.
While waiting for improbable revelations (but that it is allowed to hope) coming from the Russian archives two positions are possible:
Position number 1
To continue to search desperately for significant clues in the enormous amount of information currently available, (taking into account that some of it is more or less dubious).
Then you are perfectly right and you are sure that you are not wrong.
The disadvantage of this cautious position is that you are not moving forward. That is to say that in a hundred years you will be at the same point and you will repeat indefinitely:
No evidence - Just speculations - No evidence - Just speculations - No evidence - Just speculations - No evidence - Just speculations - No evidence ..........
Position number 2
To imagine a complete and coherent reconstruction in accordance with the available information.
It is a method that is frequent in History whenever archives and other documents are insufficient to reach a certainty.
It is also the situation in all the hard sciences (Physics, Chemistry,...) in which it is a question of imagining complete explanatory theories from observations or experiments. But in these hard sciences theories can generally be strengthened and confirmed by the possibility of redoing numerous verifying experiments.
Solutions are obtained by mobilizing particular resources of the human mind: intuition, imagination, common sense that go beyond simple formal deductive reasoning (proof ---> solution).
For example, in fiction, experienced investigators such as Sherlock Holmes (Conan Dyole), Hercule Poirot and Miss Marple (Agatha Christie) know how to interpret subtle clues, often of a psychological nature
, in order to intuitively find the right solution, i.e. the real culprit, despite misleading appearances or staging.
A great number of authors and forum members have proposed complete and coherent reconstructions that are almost completely written.
Of course I do not quote them all. Here are only a few examples to fix the ideas :
Teodora Hadjiyska and Igor Pavlov (1079 The overwhelming force of Dyatlov Pass) - Rakitin (meeting with American spies) - Svetlana Osadchuck (Mansi) - Igor B=Игорь Б (wolverine ?) - Lupos (Acute Stress Reaction + catabatic wind) - Nigel Evans - Investigator.................
Personally I have now become the self-proclaimed spokesman of the TOK theory as you can see in my previous posts.
According to the TOK theory a lot of questions are solved or lose their reason to exist; especially the motives of the cover up by Khrushchev and Putin (Yeltsin did not have time to deal with it).
Thus, for example, it was the 3 attackers who cut the tent canvas, then still intact, on the morning of February 2, 1959, after having defeated and exterminated the 9 hikers by a long night fight.
I plan to write one day a more orderly presentation of the TOK theory in the topic "Altercation on the pass", but for the present I still have difficulties; for example :
" The fact that the evacuation from the tent to the cedar was apparently not executed in a rushed but rather in a fairly orderly fashion. "
MORE PRECISE ANSWER TO TWO QUESTIONS
...Lyuda had a dispute or argument with someone in Vizhay ?Bottled Brunette
understood how to explain easily that the change of mood of Dubinina which is a clue of psychological nature.
Dubinina clearly by her rigid moral conceptions had to express her dissatisfaction with the very bad reception at Vizhay, which was intended to humiliate and also to swindle Dyatlov's group.Consequently one of the men on Vizhay tried to rape her, or manhandle her a bit or a lot, but either she fought him off or it was interrupted somehow.
Sensitive young girls who are sexually assaulted by attempted rape or just being fondled, or harassed, then their personality change.
I have heard that in these circumstances, women then undergo a profound psychological changes in their personality... Anger, lethargy, depression, self blaming,....
The question of motive is indeed both important and interesting.
To make people understand the complexity of what I also call the "WHY ?" question, I will start with a didactic introduction which is an analogy.
has already pointed out, the DPI presents some analogies with an event, certainly much more important, which is the assassination of President Kennedy on November 22, 1963 in Dallas
One difference between the two incidents is obviously the cause(s) of death, the "HOW ?" question, which is not obvious in the case of the DPI (because JF Kennedy was incontestably
mortally wounded by a rifle bullet or bullets).
An analogy between the two incidents is that some 60 years later, thousands of commentators around the world are still asking questions about these matters, (who, if anyone, was behind it ("WHO ?"), for what reasons ("WHY ?")
Mind you that I have read almost nothing about the assassination of President Kennedy (I remember mostly hearing the news of gunshots as the president passed by on French radio in 1963). The DPI is more than enough for me.
But as your "country is United States", I can assume that you have some opinion on the assassination of President Kennedy.
••• Patrick is one of those who approve the official versionPatrick :
Simplest Explanation is Often the Best > February 11, 2020, 05:51:26 PM Reply #9https://forum.dyatlovpass.com/index.php?topic=589.msg8451#msg8451I offer you a few examples:
1) The American President Kennedy was assassinated by ONE gunman. All the proof points in that direction. Yet, any small discrepancy in the case is seized upon as evidence of a conspiracy, because there is no way (in the minds of many) that this great man could have been killed by a deranged "loser".
I don't understand this phenomenon, because my brain is not susceptible to fantasy. I am a cynic in most things (except in my love for my family). But, it exists, is part of our collective condition, and must be endured.
••• But there are those who are doubtful or even contest the official version.
You can imagine that the answer to the simple "motive?" or "WHY ?" question, may require extensive knowledge of historical and political nature.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories
Regarding the possible sponsors (if Lee Ostwald is the author of the fatal shootings, then he would only be a mercenary executor), the Wikipedia article considers the following long list:
New Orleans conspiracy - Secret Service conspiracy - Cuban exiles - Organized crime conspiracy
CIA conspiracy - Lyndon B. Johnson conspiracy - George H. W. Bush conspiracy
Shadow government conspiracy - Soviet government conspiracy - Cuban government conspiracy - Israeli government conspiracy - Federal Reserve conspiracy